Still Blaming Bush. In 2012?

It's not intended that way ???? Really???
Then why did you even post what I quoted?... you could have just as easily DELETED "mainstream" and replaced it with "well known". Instead, you chose to leave both and make a little tongue-in-cheek lambast which you "claimed" you weren't doing.

While I agree with the point of your post, you really come off looking like you're just trying to instigate a flame-fest rather than start a civil discussion.

The pot calling the kettle? One side of the (same) coin is dirty, while the other is shining and spotless?

How much longer is the media-infantilized and media-misinformed US public going to contribute to the fundamental lie that the prevailing element in government, regardless of whether they are cheerleading for the Red Team or the Blue Team, is on their side.. ie representing we the people?

Plutocracy is the name of the game in US politics.

I really don't mean to be lambasting any Republicans here, but some of them are assholes.

See what I did there?

It's called lying. Not about the asshole part. But about the intention. OF COURSE I MEANT IT, SILLY.

I blame Clinton for failing at health care reform decades ago.

The Democrats (sic) are equally"asshole" if one is compelled to get into the namecalling stuff.

The recently passed "health care" act is a program to enrich the insurance industry. The whole damn package was written and vetted by those corporate parasites, yet another load of steaming dogturd legislation designed to profiteer on people's sickness and pain. The democrats are as guilty as the republicans in sticking a middle finger up at the US public, yet again. The legislation is so draconian that those who fail to purchase insurance may be prosecuted, with penalties of up to 5 years in prison and a fine of up to $250.000.

Blaming Bush is shortsighted and unproductive beyond all description. Yes, Bush is the "Idiot Son of an Asshole", but Obama, Pelosi and the weasels of the democratic party are no goddamned better. I quite honestly prefer BushCorp to ObamaCorp; at least they were arrogant enough to make anyone who didnt absorb the corporate media lies and BS, realize that they were the enemy of America. BushCorp made no pretense about its intent, and were upfront and almost honest (about the only thing they didnt lie about!). ObamaCorp is doing the same sh¡t, but they're in stealth mode. They are as much the enemy of this nation as the previous batch. Staunch Democrats believe they have a friend in DC. Ha! Suckers. Staunch Republicans think Obama is a "socialist"! Suckers likewise. Yeah.. an inverted socialist more like, with global big business, warmongers, banks and the entire corporate cartel of criminals being the beneficiaries of $TRILLIONS in welfare, extorted from the uninformed taxpayers.

Throw them ALL out of office for all I care. By whatever means necessary...
…"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their Constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln.

Ya, if only he had passed the REPUBLICAN SPONSORED BOB DOLE healthcare bill, we'd have THE SAME FUCKING REFORM that the idiots on the right have lost their shit over.

Sammi, you missed my point. My point wasn't about Republicans, or Democrats. It was about the insincerity of preceding an insult with a disclaimer that you don't intend to insult.

It's like saying, "I don't dislike Asian people, but most of them are really annoying." The first part of that statement is clearly a lie.

"Now, I realize that this will be perceived as me complaining and lambasting those who are still blaming the Bush Administration. But, it's not intended that way. I'm honestly wondering when mainstream politicians (let's change that..."well known" politicians) will stop blaming George Bush for their problems"

This is where SDW shows his colors.

Now, SDW, I'll anser your post in good faith.

People will stop blaming the Bush Administration when it' clear that the effects of the Buh Administration policies are no longer in play. Most intelligent, honest, and unbiased people believe we're nowhere near that mark at this moment, so don't expect such sentiment to go away any time soon.

Huh? Not my post.

How can you even call them Bush administration effects when Obama has had the opportunity to change the (supposed) effects and has failed to do so or and has made it worse?

Remember PAYGO? Remember Guantanamo? Remember irresponsible deficit spending? Remember bringing the troops home, spending the savings domestically,.......... ad nauseum.

Go back and read the man's inaugural address. He literally believes he can say whatever he wants and people will buy it. So if you want to fix that fact, stop assigning the blame elsewhere and give it to whom it belongs.

Haha sorry for thinking this was your thread, Trump.

My point still stands.

Bush screwed up the economy. Obama hasn't fixed it. That doesn't negate the fact that Bush screwed up the economy. So why do people have to ignore that fact? And just because I and others are still blaming Bush doesn't mean we're also not blaming Obama for not keeping his campaign promises.

Do you deny that when Bush had a Republican house and a recession brought on by the tech bubble popping, that he did bring the country out of recession?

Has Obama done the same when given even better variables?

No one should deny the fact that recessions occur no matter who is President. Resources invariably become misallocated within the economy. A recession is the pain that goes with correcting those imbalances. Under Bush the economy recovered quickly.

The reason it hasn't under Obama is because government spending attempts to prop up those pieces of the economy where resources were misallocated, has crowded out private enterprise with government spending, and lastly private industry won't act in instances where the cost is too high (see health care) or where the rules may be arbitrarily changed. (See pretty much all energy and carbon trades/taxes/etc.)

You are a business owner. The government would prefer you build a new factory and hire new workers for that factory. However they pass a health care bill that no one can understand, that no one has read and it will cost you X amount per as yet unhired employee. You decide you want to build the factory but now are concerned because the costs of the materials are tripling due to green concerns and demands that all the industries that make those materials have a zero footprint. The fleet of vehicles to move your products now costs a third more to meet new environmental concerns, etc. Add to this a competitor got a $10 million dollar grant from the government for promising to create green jobs. In reality the jobs have been created overseas and the "jobs" here are merely installing the finished products on people's homes where the absurdly overpriced products are covered by the fact that you get tax rebates and credits on them. You try to calculate the energy costs on your factory for the next ten years but the huge variable in the equation is government with projections showing 200-1000% increases in electrical rates.

Each time a decision is made, the uncertainty goes up, the cost goes up, and the rate of return goes down.

It becomes easier to sit on your money and get a guaranteed lower rate of return dealing with variables you can more easily control. That is what is happening on a national level. This isn't made up stuff, AT&T (since we all follow Apple related stuff here) took a BILLION dollar charge in the first quarter related to health care and the Obama plan. Exemptions are being passed out based on who you know and what you claim to do. It is pure crony capitalism using the intent game and to the tune of a trillion dollars in deficit spending a year and that is why things haven't gotten better.

Bush has nothing to do with that.

Bush will be blamed as a complete failure when he was president for 8 horrible years.He fucked up the economy with a worthless war in Iraq costing billions of dollars.Obama at least tried with this stimulus concept which did create some jobs.He walked right into shit after Bush left us in this mess.

I think this is what you meant, SDW.

I doubt that.

You really don't know that the key points you conservatives have railed against in the health bill are the exact points your side wanted fifteen years ago? Not surprising.

From "The New Republic", you know, a publication with a very conservative bias:


http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...alth-care-plan

More choice bits:

Are you talking about the Chafee bill from 1993?

You dodge basically every question I ever ask you so you can forget me responding to you anymore. I told you, I'm done with your bullshit.

Ohhh the irony.

There's nothing especially out of order with people blaming Bush. People are still blaming Clinton. People are still blaming Carter, Nixon or Reagan. Blaming previous administrations is all part of the national political "dialog".... the Red team vs Blue Team distraction.

Nice spin and over reach there. You'll notice that two key differences are the democrats favor expansion of Medicare (aka dump costs on already bankrupt states) and refuse tort reform. Also the table doesn't mention all the new taxes that ObamaCare creates (in effect now) and repeats the lie that is the budget analysis of ObamaCare. 10 years of taxes for how many years of benefits?

Another thing to note is that ObamaCare did nothing, in fact made worse, the problem of tying people to employers because of health insurance. Republicans want to fix that key problem that many american despise.