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post #41 of 83
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

I agree, and especially if Apple has re-engineered the antenna/frame, having Verizon announce takes the focus off of the correction of this so-called "design flaw."

Wouldnt CDMA/CDMA2000 devices need a different antenna design to be optimize for a different network type over GSM/UMTS, or is this a base component that is standard regardless of the radio signal type being emitted?
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post #42 of 83
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Originally Posted by ThinkKnot View Post

They should talk about iPad on VZW, all about LTE then say, 'But there IS one more thing' and have Steve Jobs walk on stage to thunderous applause.

I can't imagine Steve going for another company's keynote. And that too like ' One More thing " creeps!
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post #43 of 83
Verizon iPhone announced Jan 11th
On Sale Feb 3rd (hopefully alongside iPad2, announced Jan 27th)
post #44 of 83
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Originally Posted by Nothlit View Post

... I think Steve Jobs might make an appearance at this event, but he probably won't be the star of the show.

This event will primarily be an opportunity for Verizon to talk about how their service with the iPhone will be different from AT&T's.

Agree with what you say, except that part about Steve Jobs ... he will be what people will remember even if he just has a cameo ... that's just the nature of his star power on stage now.

Love that date -

1/1/11 ...

I guess they want to be #1 ...
post #45 of 83
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Originally Posted by jdlink View Post

VZ is down for the day. Go figure.

VZ closed down .30 well off the lows. It is up about 1.00 in after hours trading though. It has had a decent move all of december. Yesterday was the first pullback, and it went ex-dividend. Today is a bottoming tail on the dailies. It will be interesting to see what the implied volatility on VZ will be like monday, Might be nice to sell a little premium before the event.
post #46 of 83
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Uh, how?

If Apple makes the announcement, they have a new partner. Big deal. If Verizon makes the announcement, they're switching allegiances. It's all about perception. By saying that Apple will keep it low-key, I mean Apple's involvement in the announcement will be low-key, not that the response to the announcement will be low-key.
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Originally Posted by poke View Post

If Apple makes the announcement, they have a new partner. Big deal. If Verizon makes the announcement, they're switching allegiances. It's all about perception. By saying that Apple will keep it low-key, I mean Apple's involvement in the announcement will be low-key, not that the response to the announcement will be low-key.

Switching allegiances would be they stop selling Android phones.

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post #48 of 83
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Originally Posted by poke View Post

If Apple makes the announcement, they have a new partner. Big deal. If Verizon makes the announcement, they're switching allegiances. It's all about perception. By saying that Apple will keep it low-key, I mean Apple's involvement in the announcement will be low-key, not that the response to the announcement will be low-key.

Yeah, but why would Apple make the announcement? It's just another carrier. iPhone is on 150 or so carriers. It's a big deal for Verizon, for Apple just means they will sell al ot more phones. I think there will an equal allegiance to both VZ and AT&T.
post #49 of 83
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Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post

A question though:
is the iPhone being on verizon already factored into the Apple stock price? It made a push upward towards the end of the day adding a billion or so in market cap. How much is such a deal worth?

They've been saying that it's been baked in for some time now. But I believe it's only half the way. I think Apple has another ten points from this yet. Possibly fifteen.
post #50 of 83
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Unlikely as release dates, at least for iPad 2. It would be unlikely that iPad 2 would not require a new SDK to exploit new features, or that there would be no new features to exploit, so developers would need advance notice of the new SDK to be prepared at launch. As an announce date for iPad 2, it's possible, but would not require vacation restrictions.

I would imagine 4.3 for a new iPad, but possibly for a CDMA phone as well. An updated stack for the new radio would be needed, at least.
post #51 of 83
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Yup, this is happening. Announcement next Tuesday by Verizon and then to be rolled out across Verizon and Apple Stores by end of the month/ early Feb. Design is the slightly modified antenna thingy as we have seen.

This is it. Ah feel it in mah bones.

You have bones?
post #52 of 83
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Originally Posted by Turley Muller View Post

Yeah, but why would Apple make the announcement? It's just another carrier. iPhone is on 150 or so carriers. It's a big deal for Verizon, for Apple just means they will sell al ot more phones. I think there will an equal allegiance to both VZ and AT&T.

A CDMA phone is new hardware. There are many other carriers in the world that use CDMA and will likely get the same phone at some point in the future. I think it'd make more sense for Apple to announce it except for the fact that getting Verizon to do it looks like capitulation on Verizon's part. Verizon has been the main force behind Android adoption in the US. Come Tuesday that ends.
post #53 of 83
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I would imagine 4.3 for a new iPad, but possibly for a CDMA phone as well. An updated stack for the new radio would be needed, at least.

Would that require a developers release????
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post #54 of 83
If this is what it is...

Then the announcement will occur as Verizon CEO Seidenberg says, without further adeui, please welcome....Steve Jobs.
post #55 of 83
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Originally Posted by poke View Post

A CDMA phone is new hardware. There are many other carriers in the world that use CDMA and will likely get the same phone at some point in the future. I think it'd make more sense for Apple to announce it except for the fact that getting Verizon to do it looks like capitulation on Verizon's part. Verizon has been the main force behind Android adoption in the US. Come Tuesday that ends.

True there are internal differences, but that's not real newsworthy. Apple only has a press event if there is something cool to show off or demonstrate. This is complete yawn unless you are engineer. Verizon has been wanting to make this announce for a while and now they can. There are many other CDMA carriers, but only make up a small amount of users. Only a few Apple would be interested in.
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Originally Posted by Turley Muller View Post

True there are internal differences, but that's not real newsworthy.

The iPhone 3GS apparently was.

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Apple only has a press event if there is something cool to show off or demonstrate.

Like the speed of the iPhone 3GS.

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This is complete yawn unless you are engineer.

Or want actual phone service and 3G coverage.

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There are many other CDMA carriers, but only make up a small amount of users.

Sure, forget those Chinese CDMA providers.

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post #57 of 83
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Originally Posted by battiato1981 View Post


Love that date -

1/1/11 ...

I guess they want to be #1 ...


Actually, it's 1/11/11 at 11 am.
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If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It must be... a WITCH!! A WITCH!!

Or small rocks.
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It must be... a WITCH!! A WITCH!!

Or small rocks.

Class action lawsuit if you can't build bridges out of Verizon iPhones.

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post #60 of 83
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The iPhone 3GS apparently was.

You’re talking about the mention of the faster or new HW. The average person don’t know or care about the differences between CDMA and GSM or EV-DO and HS*PA. They just want the device they want to work on the network they want.

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Like the speed of the iPhone 3GS.

A faster device is something the average end user can understand.

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Or want actual phone service and 3G coverage.

How does explaining about CDMA radios make a damn bit of difference to the user. It’s either a VeriPhone or it isn’t. Nothing else about the device would affect the end user.

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Sure, forget those Chinese CDMA providers.

That CDMA-based carrier in China represents about ½ the total CDMA user base in the US. Now if we adjust the actual potential market based of income levels that would buy the iPhone we see the US is even larger than China Telecom.
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post #61 of 83
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The iPhone 3GS apparently was.

Like the speed of the iPhone 3GS.

Or want actual phone service and 3G coverage.

Sure, forget those Chinese CDMA providers.

The 3GS had many new different features and new iOS3. It was improved product. Plenty to show. The 3G coverage & service doesn't have to do with Apple. That's the reason VZ is making the announcement. China Mobile uses it's TD-SCDMA which they engineered. I don't know what that would require for iPhone.
post #62 of 83
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here!!!1!!!11!

This is the kind of spontaneous publicity that MAKES people!
post #63 of 83
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I would imagine 4.3 for a new iPad, but possibly for a CDMA phone as well. An updated stack for the new radio would be needed, at least.

I have a suspicion that Apple might have been building CDMA prototypes for a long time for when they added additional carriers.

Just like Mac OS X was running on x86 for a long time before announcing the transition.
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Originally Posted by JasonQ13 View Post

I have a suspicion that Apple might have been building CDMA prototypes for a long time for when they added additional carriers.

Just like Mac OS X was running on x86 for a long time before announcing the transition.

Remember that Apple went to Verizon first. Verizon turned them down.

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post #65 of 83
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Remember that Apple went to Verizon first. Verizon turned them down.

I dont think that was ever confirmed by Apple. We only know what Verizon said and maybe thats what Apples reps told them but that could have simply been a tactic. While I think its possible they went to Verizon first I think its impossible to assume that they only ever planned on going to Verizon unless they were turned down. We have to remember that GSM-based devices were then and now the world standard so its possible Apple only used Verizon to get better leverage with AT&T. Thats what I would have done.
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post #66 of 83
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Unlikely as release dates, at least for iPad 2. It would be unlikely that iPad 2 would not require a new SDK to exploit new features, or that there would be no new features to exploit, so developers would need advance notice of the new SDK to be prepared at launch. As an announce date for iPad 2, it's possible, but would not require vacation restrictions.

Why would an additional iphone carrier warrant an Apple event? It wouldn't. And it won't.
Jan 11 Verizon announcement
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Feb 3rd.

This iPhone on sale could rival the very first Att with lines at stores I think
post #67 of 83
Now that Verizon has gotten the opportunity lets hope they use their heads and don'tmess it up.
Its obvious Verizon needs Apple even with thier Androids etc. And the best thing of all is the competition for the customer. Hopefull Verizon will have some great Data plans etc to get the ball rolling.
post #68 of 83
I was tempted to say "complete BS, forget about it, this is not the vPhone!" If for no other reason then for it not being in Apple's HQ or during apple hosted event. However with so many sources saying the same thing I am willing to give this some credibility.
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post #69 of 83
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If this is what it is...

Then the announcement will occur as Verizon CEO Seidenberg says, without further adeui, please welcome....Steve Jobs.

C'mon that's wack. Steve Jobs would be the ultimate "And one more thing"
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post #70 of 83
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C'mon that's wack. Steve Jobs would be the ultimate "And one more thing"

Not going to happen. The best you might get is a pre-recorded message welcoming Verizon to the iPhone fold.
post #71 of 83
It is going to be a Verison iPhone announcement. Clear and simple. Will Steve be on stage, maybe for a cameo appearance, but that is it. And I agree with what poke said. Verison adopting the iPhone to its network is going to spell major trouble for Android. Android adoption hasn't been that great on the AT&T network because it has the iPhone. I think you will see a major shift if it goes down like this:

Jan 11 - iPhone is announced on the Verison Network. Pre-sales begin.
Feb 3 - CDMA iPhone is released to the public.

I am also going to make a prediction: CDMA iPhone will pre-sell 1.5 million units. I think there is that much pent up demand for this product.

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post #72 of 83
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Not going to happen. The best you might get is a pre-recorded message welcoming Verizon to the iPhone fold.

I think Steve will turn up, even if just for a brief moment and just a few comments. Phil will probably do the press and q&a, mingling with the Verizon people, etc.

The US is Apple's largest single market and a Verizon iPhone potentially doubles iPhone sales in the US.

Verizon is also the frontline of iOS vs Android in 2011, at least in the US.
post #73 of 83
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

I think Steve will turn up, even if just for a brief moment and just a few comments. Phil will probably do the press and q&a, mingling with the Verizon people, etc.

The US is Apple's largest single market and a Verizon iPhone potentially doubles iPhone sales in the US.

Verizon is also the frontline of iOS vs Android in 2011, at least in the US.

Could be but I just have a hard time seeing Jobs showing up at a Verizon event where you know barbs will be thrown towards ATT. I say he wants to keep Apple neutral and as far away from the event as possible. Like I said, I can see a pre-recorded message welcoming Verizon to the iPhone community but not much more. We'll know next week.

I wonder if the Verizon iPhone will be unadulterated - that would be a big concession for Verizon and demonstrate that they felt they needed the iPhone on their network.
post #74 of 83
Tell me when the iphone gets blu-ray....otherwise yawn
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Tell me when the iphone gets blu-ray....otherwise yawn

I'm curious what your point in being in this subform, much less this thread, is.

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post #76 of 83
ALL BORING- Give us the iPhone 5 without antenna gate - NOW.
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ALL BORING- Give us the iPhone 5 without antenna gate - NOW.

It's hilarious that you still think there was a widespread antenna problem.

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post #78 of 83
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

It's hilarious that you still think there was a widespread antenna problem.

He doesn't - he just likes stirring the pot.
post #79 of 83
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Like I said, I can see a pre-recorded message welcoming Verizon to the iPhone community but not much more. We'll know next week.

Pre-recorded? Nah. Facetime.
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Pre-recorded? Nah. Facetime.

That's an interesting possibility.
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