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Originally Posted by Bagman View Post

How CONVENIENT for ATT to suddenly unlock the speed that has probably been there all along, so they can boast that their so-called 4G network (HSPA+ actually) can compete with Verizon's upcoming 4G LTE network.

1) Are AT&T actually calling HSPA+ 4G? I seem to recall them having a problem with T-Mobile USA doing that.

2) AT&Ts network can already compete with Verizons LTE. LTE is barely released, there are n handsets on the market, and its speeds will likely be slower than the HS*PA of AT&T and T-Mobile USAs network for a few revisions of the LTE handset tech.

3) I think its just a coincidence because of the aforementioned items and the fact that AT&T has speeds much faster than what you are now just getting. I best Ive seen is about 7Mbps/3Mbps on my iPhone 4.
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post #82 of 146
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I just tested my iphone 3G speed on Thursday, and again today, at various spots, and found the speed of ATT's HSPA+ network has "mysteriously" increased from a steady 1.2 Mbps download/.32 Mbps upload speed to between 3 and 4.3 Mbps download/.54 to 1.2 Mbps upload speed.

How CONVENIENT for ATT to suddenly unlock the speed that has probably been there all along, so they can boast that their so-called 4G network (HSPA+ actually) can compete with Verizon's upcoming 4G LTE network.

I have seen speeds in that range on AT&T since my wife got her 3Gs in July 2009. Before that my 3G had upload speeds in the 1.0-1.2 range but it would not get more than 1.5 down.

No conspiracies at work, you must live in an area that was at the bottom of the upgrade list, or you have not tested in a while.
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I just tested my iphone 3G speed on Thursday, and again today, at various spots, and found the speed of ATT's HSPA+ network has "mysteriously" increased from a steady 1.2 Mbps download/.32 Mbps upload speed to between 3 and 4.3 Mbps download/.54 to 1.2 Mbps upload speed.

How CONVENIENT for ATT to suddenly unlock the speed that has probably been there all along, so they can boast that their so-called 4G network (HSPA+ actually) can compete with Verizon's upcoming 4G LTE network.

Makes me furious that they could have done this earlier, which will no doubt come out in the news next week as a smarmy way of keeping iPhone users from defecting, or to keep new users from going to Verizon.

Both ATT and Verizon are deceptive companies who will do anything to make their bottom line - what's that you say? --- "I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED" (with apologies to Capt Renault (Claude Rains) from Casablanca).

Sounds like a very scientific study you had commissioned. You're clearly justified in your fury.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. No way is VZW migrating to GSM.

Verizon history:

1. Verizon has acquired assets related to GSM technology.
2. Verizon integrated into their network SIM cards which is a standard used by GSM carriers.
3. Verizon EVP and CTO Dick Lynch in June 2010 joined the GSMA board.
4. Verizon implemented LTE (4G) which is an evolution of GSM technology.
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Originally Posted by Imagine Engine View Post

Verizon history:

1. Verizon has acquired assets related to GSM technology.
2. Verizon integrated into their network SIM cards which is a standard used by GSM carriers.
3. Verizon EVP and CTO Dick Lynch in June 2010 joined the GSMA board.
4. Verizon implemented LTE (4G) which is an evolution of GSM technology.

Seems reasonable. Why WOULDNT Verizon invest what would have to be tens of billions of dollars just to support an old technology JUST as they are making an equally large investment to support the technology that will replace said old technology?

Back away from the keyboard, Imagine Engine.
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1. Verizon has acquired assets related to GSM technology.

Eh? Since when?

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2. Verizon integrated into their network SIM cards which is a standard used by GSM carriers.

For their LTE rollout. Verizon is not making a GSM network.

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4. Verizon implemented LTE (4G) which is an evolution of GSM technology.

And, no. It's not. LTE is no more GSM than WiMAX is an "evolution" of CDMA.

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post #87 of 146
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Originally Posted by Imagine Engine View Post

Verizon history:

1. Verizon has acquired assets related to GSM technology.
2. Verizon integrated into their network SIM cards which is a standard used by GSM carriers.
3. Verizon EVP and CTO Dick Lynch in June 2010 joined the GSMA board.
4. Verizon implemented LTE (4G) which is an evolution of GSM technology.

The main area where your theory falls apart is that points 1-3 are all explained by point 4, i.e. LTE is all it takes.

Having said that, you are right about Bell and Telus. They are CDMA and have plans for LTE, yet when Rogers having exclusivity of the iPhone immediately started to hurt them, they rolled out 3G as fast as possible to get the iPhone in the interim. It could be possible for V to do the same, but I don't think it is likely.

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post #88 of 146
Why would anyone want an iPhone 4 on Verizon now instead of waiting for iPhone 5 to come out in the next 5 or 6 months? Unless, of course, there isn't going to be an iPhone 5 this year. Why would Apple release an iPhone 4 for Verizon and then release an iPhone 5 for AT&T 6 months later? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Finally- the day that al the fanbots on here said would never, ever happen is finally happening.
"Apple doesn't need Verizon, etc."
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Originally Posted by ded48 View Post

Why would anyone want an iPhone 4 on Verizon now instead of waiting for iPhone 5 to come out in the next 5 or 6 months? Unless, of course, there isn't going to be an iPhone 5 this year. Why would Apple release an iPhone 4 for Verizon and then release an iPhone 5 for AT&T 6 months later? That doesn't make sense to me.

1) People buy Apple products throughout its lifecycle, even after the new ones come out. In fact, Apple products hold their own so well that I hardly take a hit when updating every year.

2) Most people dont care about the fastest nor do they know what the timetables are for new products. Since Apple doesnt announce this stuff we cant even know for sure that the iPhone 5 will be CDMA at the same time as the GSM model. Heck, we dont even know for sure about the iPHone 4 CDMA.

3) Apple is already having trouble meeting demand. Many, including myself, said that right after the holidays would be ideal for a CDMA iPhone because the number of buyers on Verizon is so large that selling all at once would be problematic as the demand would even further outstrip supply. Add to the fact that this is a new HW from an engineering PoV (not a consumer PoV) they need to have some focus on this phone for awhile.

4) I wonder if the iPhone 5 does come out on Verizon and AT&T at the same time if the countries they sell it in on day 1 will be reduced. Last year it was 5 countries, the year before that it was 17, IIRC. This could mean even more focus on the US for the first month or a stepping model for the CDMA version.

I hope that clears it up somewhat.
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Why would anyone want an iPhone 4 on Verizon now instead of waiting for iPhone 5 to come out in the next 5 or 6 months? Unless, of course, there isn't going to be an iPhone 5 this year. Why would Apple release an iPhone 4 for Verizon and then release an iPhone 5 for AT&T 6 months later? That doesn't make sense to me.

You must be really confused every year from January to June, when exactly the same situation exists, yet people continue to buy iPhones. Probably best to just resolve yourself to the fact that what makes no sense to you is commonplace in the real world.
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Ya know, the thing that drives me goofy about American carriers is their astounding arrogance AND the basic gutless consumer that allows clowns like AT&T (actually SBC) to "...bracing itself for the loss in iPhone exclusivity that it has seen coming for some time, working to lock existing iPhone 4 buyers into two year contracts and relying upon family and business plans that make it hard for individuals to leave the carrier."

WTF !!! "LOCK EXISTING iPhone4 customers" ??? Customers ANYWHERE ELSE on this rock we live on would tell the carrier to jam it in their A** if they tried to pull anything like that and would walk over to the carrier across the street or next door and flip the AT&T sim card on the floor as they smash it to bits with their boot heel.. Arrogant JERKS!!! STUPIDER CUSTOMERS!!! Look ANYWHERE in Europe, Asia, Africa or Australasia and there is NOTHING that the carrier would even try that looks like out arcane system.

The sooner we take back the market from the A**HAT carriers, the better off we'll be and have a LOT more choices of our toys...
post #93 of 146
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Originally Posted by ded48 View Post

Why would anyone want an iPhone 4 on Verizon now instead of waiting for iPhone 5 to come out in the next 5 or 6 months? Unless, of course, there isn't going to be an iPhone 5 this year. Why would Apple release an iPhone 4 for Verizon and then release an iPhone 5 for AT&T 6 months later? That doesn't make sense to me.

In Canada Bell and Telus (both CDMA carriers) both launched the iPhone in November 2009, once their network could support it. Then they got the iP4 in the summer 2010. People bought them because they wanted the iPhone then and their carriers of choice finally was selling them. The carriers didn't mind getting in mid cycle, though I am sure they'd have preceded to be ready for the 3GS launch. Shit happens.

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post #94 of 146
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

Ya know, the thing that drives me goofy about American carriers is their astounding arrogance AND the basic gutless consumer that allows clowns like AT&T (actually SBC) to "...bracing itself for the loss in iPhone exclusivity that it has seen coming for some time, working to lock existing iPhone 4 buyers into two year contracts and relying upon family and business plans that make it hard for individuals to leave the carrier."

WTF !!! "LOCK EXISTING iPhone4 customers" ??? Customers ANYWHERE ELSE on this rock we live on would tell the carrier to jam it in their A** if they tried to pull anything like that and would walk over to the carrier across the street or next door and flip the AT&T sim card on the floor as they smash it to bits with their boot heel.. Arrogant JERKS!!! STUPIDER CUSTOMERS!!! Look ANYWHERE in Europe, Asia, Africa or Australasia and there is NOTHING that the carrier would even try that looks like out arcane system.

The sooner we take back the market from the A**HAT carriers, the better off we'll be and have a LOT more choices of our toys...

Um, lock refers to a contract, something that is very popular with cellphones in and out of the US.
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post #95 of 146
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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

Finally- the day that al the fanbots on here said would never, ever happen is finally happening.
"Apple doesn't need Verizon, etc."

I know this is a waste of time, but why do you assume that Apple needs Verizon? If there is no Verizon branding visible on the phone, will you acknowledge that Verizon felt it needs the iPhone?
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I know this is a waste of time, but why do you assume that Apple needs Verizon? If there is no Verizon branding visible on the phone, will you acknowledge that Verizon felt it needs the iPhone?

Good luck.
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Good luck.

Yeah, I know it's a waste of time. His distasteful username says a lot even before you read some of the stuff he posts.
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Um, lock refers to a contract, something that is very popular with cellphones in and out of the US.

"LOCK" does NOT refer to a contract. "LOCK" refers to a eprom LOCK code that is done by a carrier that a phone is capable of supporting as their primary. When I bought a phone in France it was "Locked" to Orange and they gave me an "UNLOCK" so I could use that phone in the US - NOT on Orange...

Sorry... AND "locking" is EXTREMELY UN-POPULAR EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET - even in the US.
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Sorry... AND "locking" is EXTREMELY UN-POPULAR EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET - even in the US.

Slow down there, bucko. CDMA users have no concept of this, as our phones are only locked. It's impossible to determine popularity if you don't have exposure to both scenarios. Don't make assumptions like that.

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post #100 of 146
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Slow down there, bucko. CDMA users have no concept of this, as our phones are only locked. It's impossible to determine popularity if you don't have exposure to both scenarios. Don't make assumptions like that.

Sorry, if you have a CDMA phone and never leave the US, that's fine.. Otherwise, gotta deal with reality.
post #101 of 146
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

I have seen speeds in that range on AT&T since my wife got her 3Gs in July 2009. Before that my 3G had upload speeds in the 1.0-1.2 range but it would not get more than 1.5 down.

No conspiracies at work, you must live in an area that was at the bottom of the upgrade list, or you have not tested in a while.

While it may be entirely coincidental, there is enough circumstancial evidence to the contrary (at least in my observations). While someone snidely commented that this was a scientific study, I don't need anyone to point out that it is merely anecdotal, having done over 20 years of published research). However, I have measured my download and upload speeds over a hundred times since last August, in the same spot in my house. Also went out today to measure much the same speeds over the Palo Alto/Sunnyvale area of CA (over a 20 mile area). Funny how I measured it at the slower speeds on Thursday, and it coincided almost exactly with ATT announcing they were going to join the others who say their networks are 4G (which they say is really HSPA+ in their case), when in fact they are less than what many are saying is "pure 4G" (only Verizon, with 4G LTE, and Sprint, with WiMax, are considered "Pure 4G"), but no agreed upon definition is binding on any of the carriers to date, ergo the discrepancy and confusion - just the sort of confusion that has led to exaggerated claims.

I only brought it to your attention with the hopes that a few of you may have done some testing over the last few weeks or months, and would ask that they go back and try again, and see if the speed has doubled or better, as mine has.

No - there is no conspiracy as such, but marketing decisions at work here, if what I suspect has happened is bourne out, because ATT many months ago said the HSPA+ was already available (at least on the iPhone 4), and that the download speeds approach "Pure 4G" already, which they have not done near my house until this weekend - curious timing indeed.
post #102 of 146
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Originally Posted by Bagman View Post

I just tested my iphone 3G speed on Thursday, and again today, at various spots, and found the speed of ATT's HSPA+ network has "mysteriously" increased from a steady 1.2 Mbps download/.32 Mbps upload speed to between 3 and 4.3 Mbps download/.54 to 1.2 Mbps upload speed.

How CONVENIENT for ATT to suddenly unlock the speed that has probably been there all along, so they can boast that their so-called 4G network (HSPA+ actually) can compete with Verizon's upcoming 4G LTE network.

Makes me furious that they could have done this earlier, which will no doubt come out in the news next week as a smarmy way of keeping iPhone users from defecting, or to keep new users from going to Verizon.

Yes, AT&T is so evil they've kept capability away from you just to be mean.

Or, in a more sane universe, the towers you tested got updated with more backhaul so you actually can get better HSPA speeds. Just updating the tower software to HSPA 7.2 like they did last january doesn't magically make fiber appear in all the towers.
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

Sorry, if you have a CDMA phone and never leave the US, that's fine.. Otherwise, gotta deal with reality.

The reality is you need some reading comprehension and to slow to your roll.

You quoted ...working to lock existing iPhone 4 buyers into two year contracts then when on your silly tirade. The verb lock is clearly regarding the noun contact. You can deny that other countries dont have contracts, but youre just lying to yourself.
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post #104 of 146
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Yes, AT&T is so evil they've kept capability away from you just to be mean.

Or, in a more sane universe, the towers you tested got updated with more backhaul so you actually can get better HSPA speeds. Just updating the tower software to HSPA 7.2 like they did last january doesn't magically make fiber appear in all the towers.

Please read my previous post.

I would like to know what you mean by backhaul - I am confused (am not an engineer). Can a software upgrade to all the nearby towers cause them to get faster? I seem to remember something last year about a software glitch at ATT causing less-than HSPA+ speeds, but can't remember the particulars.

Just want to learn a bit about the technology, even if my suspicion about ATT may not be entirely unfounded (sometimes it is good to be paranoid, even if folks are talking about you behind your back).
post #105 of 146
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Originally Posted by Imagine Engine View Post

My brother is with Verizon and is anticipating the iPhone launch though both of us believe it will be an iPhone 4 (HSPA 3G) GSM model launching with Verizon in February. Verizon has already started their migration to GSM phones that use SIM cards. This is similar to what Telus and Bell did in Canada in 2009. People claimed that Apple was going to give them a CDMA iPhone but they instead only got the iPhone 4 after migrating their network to support GSM. Also keep in mind that Apple is going to release the next iPhone in the summer as they have done at the same time every year since the first iPhone 2G model launched. So I highly doubt Verizon customers will get a 4G iPhone and instead will have the same model we all have which is HSPA 3G.

Bell and Telus didn't migrate to anything. They overlaid a 3G GSM (HSPA) network on top. They simply launched the iPhone on the 3G network. There's still customers who use CDMA phones.

The equivalent would be for Verizon to overlay its LTE network and launch the iPhone on that. If that were to be the case, then the iPhone would not be rumoured to be launching soon.
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Please read my previous post.

I would like to know what you mean by backhaul - I am confused (am not an engineer). Can a software upgrade to all the nearby towers cause them to get faster? I seem to remember something last year about a software glitch at ATT causing less-than HSPA+ speeds, but can't remember the particulars.

Just want to learn a bit about the technology, even if my suspicion about ATT may not be entirely unfounded (sometimes it is good to be paranoid, even if folks are talking about you behind your back).

Two parts have to get upgraded to give you more speed. The first part is the part that talks to your phone. Both the phone and tower have to support the higher data rates, both radios and software. AT&T did this with a bunch of 3G radio for the 3G rollout and then a software upgrade for those radios in their towers about a year ago.

The second part that has to get upgraded is the connection from the tower to the rest of the world. This is called backhaul. Most of the old towers were still connected by a few (typically from 1 to 3) T1 copper lines poking along at 1.5Mbps each. To get you the speed upgrade requires ripping out that old copper and replacing it with fiber or microwave.

That's why AT&T only announced faster speeds in six initial cities last year and rolling it out to everyone else over time. Those cities were in good shape backhaul wise.

They aren't stupid...they know folks will run speed tests to verify what they say and post if for all the internet to see. So they've been improving infrastructure as quick as they can...especially if they knew iPhone exclusivity was ending.

But even $18B in capex only goes so far and a lots of that was landline/UVerse.
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Why would anyone want an iPhone 4 on Verizon now instead of waiting for iPhone 5 to come out in the next 5 or 6 months? Unless, of course, there isn't going to be an iPhone 5 this year. Why would Apple release an iPhone 4 for Verizon and then release an iPhone 5 for AT&T 6 months later? That doesn't make sense to me.

Right now, all over the world, people are still buying iPhone 4's for use on all sorts of networks. Wise or not, people do it.... millions of people. The only time it slows is right before the new rev launch, and one could argue it's just as much apple turning off the spigot as it is people consciously deciding to wait.
post #108 of 146
Hang on guys, I'm getting a call on my iPhone nano.....

Sorry about that... Anyway my unicorn says he can't wait to get the iPhone 4 on Verizon's network...

Excuse me a second, "Hey Bigfoot, are those pigs actually flying?!"

Obviously, I'm too busy here, I'll get back with you guys Tuesday night...
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No-one outside of the U.S. Gives a shit.
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In your feverish rush to hump the WSJ's leg, you missed the obvious sarcasm of shadash's post.

And if the mutual admiration society awards they have received are irrelevant, why did you mention them?

No I didn't. It was clear to me. I was just giving the documentation.

And irrelevant because because prediction of a secretive tech company's product release schedule is speculation more than the reporting of facts. I doubt a Pulitzer's ever been given for that. That said, if a high-profile company with a rep to defend starts to make lots of failed predictions, it will hurt their prestige, so I recant. Not entirely irrelevant, just not very comparable.

As for leg-humping, the WSJ has in fact helped me make a tidy sum of money over the last 25 years, and so, yes, I'm kinda soft on 'em for that. Just as I am on AI for improving some of my buying and deployment decisions over the years, despite the over-homerism of some articles and some of their correspondents in general.

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post #111 of 146
The echo chamber is deafening today.

It might be right this time. Or not. But it is somewhat amusing to watch the rumor sites reporting on the WSJ as it reports on the rumor sites. The WSJ article isn't so much confirmation as an echo of rumor sites like this.
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No-one outside of the U.S. Gives a shit.

Bunch of people in China and Japan who'd like to have a word with you.

Stop being self-righteous.

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Please read my previous post.

I would like to know what you mean by backhaul - I am confused (am not an engineer). Can a software upgrade to all the nearby towers cause them to get faster? I seem to remember something last year about a software glitch at ATT causing less-than HSPA+ speeds, but can't remember the particulars.

Just want to learn a bit about the technology, even if my suspicion about ATT may not be entirely unfounded (sometimes it is good to be paranoid, even if folks are talking about you behind your back).


if the phone to tower speed is 7.2 but the tower only has 10mbps or so of bandwidth for 50 or more people then you're not going to get fast speed
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Although it seems that you're on Sprint's network and awaiting the iPhone's arrival on it, I do hope that you do take into some consideration of how long it took Apple to get the Qualcomm dual-mode chip (CDMA/GSM that supports LTE). This chip is what will allow them to make one design for future LTE iPhones whether they will use CDMA or GSM for backup. Up until it's arrival, Apple has been frustrated with the possibility of redesigning a whole new iPhone for Verizon due to past designs being too big to shoehorn into the iPhone. They will be using a newer version of the Qualcomm dual-mode chip that is currently being used in the Motorola Droid 2 Global for the Verizon iPhone that's being announced on Tues, 1-11-11. Don't get me wrong bro, but your dream of the phone having a dual LTE/WiMax Radio is great and will take a while just as the Qualcomm dual-mode chip took to make. Apple will have to release a second model for WiMax, and you have to realize that their style is just making one design for their product. Even looking at a potential next carrier from a numbers standpoint, just knowing that Sprint may transition to LTE from WiMax is a big obstacle for them in becoming a next iPhone carrier.

Two thoughts. Firstly, I don't think Apple will be using this chip for the Verizon iPhone4 on Jan 11. It could be something for the iPhone5 announced in the middle of the year.

Secondly, I agree it will be a long time before Apple produces an iPhone that supports WiMax. Certainly not in 2011.
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Verizon history:

1. Verizon has acquired assets related to GSM technology.
2. Verizon integrated into their network SIM cards which is a standard used by GSM carriers.
3. Verizon EVP and CTO Dick Lynch in June 2010 joined the GSMA board.
4. Verizon implemented LTE (4G) which is an evolution of GSM technology.

That might be all true but only because they're switching to LTE which is GSM based but they are not at this point going to scrap their entire CDMA network for GSM.
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The reality is you need some reading comprehension and to slow to your roll.

You quoted ...working to lock existing iPhone 4 buyers into two year contracts then when on your silly tirade. The verb lock is clearly regarding the noun contact. You can deny that other countries dont have contracts, but youre just lying to yourself.

Wrong again buckwheat.... Out of the 26 countries I've been in - to date - Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, NONE (NONE - ZERO) require contracts. You can walk in a cell phone store - buy a GSM SIM card for a local provider - and POOF ! You're done...
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Wrong again buckwheat.... Out of the 26 countries I've been in - to date - Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, NONE (NONE - ZERO) require contracts. You can walk in a cell phone store - buy a GSM SIM card for a local provider - and POOF ! You're done...

Wow, for someone demonstrating clear limitations in your reading ability, you sure come off as arrogant. Very simply, to help you, in the quote you posted, it very clearly said locked into contract. You are correct about what carrier locking means, but the quote you posted had NOTHING to do with carrier locks. I guess the fact the quote had the worked 'lock' in it confused you. Hope this helps.

Seriously, if you are going to try insulting people, you should at least ensure you are right. You aren't and you are sort of making an ass of yourself in the process. I'd suggest you might want to just let it go, as you are just making yourself look silly.

Edit: Your example of walking into store and buying a SIM would work with any unlocked phone. And guess what? You can find carrier locked phones outside of the US.

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No-one outside of the U.S. Gives a shit.

Typical non-Americans. Don't they realize that (The Whole World - USA) =/= The Whole World?
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

Wrong again buckwheat.... Out of the 26 countries I've been in - to date - Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, NONE (NONE - ZERO) require contracts. You can walk in a cell phone store - buy a GSM SIM card for a local provider - and POOF ! You're done...

The USA does not require contracts either.
post #120 of 146
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

The USA does not require contracts either.*

*An iPhone can be purchased at full price without a contract. To be used within the United States, the aforementioned iPhone must then be put on a plan that is a contract or by using T-Mobile. Side effects may include lack of Visual Voicemail, 3G, and less coverage. Terms and conditions still apply.

Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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