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Apple is opposing a shareholder proposal advocating a CEO succession plan for the company, while the VLC media player iOS app has reportedly been removed from the App Store over a licensing disagreement. Meanwhile, an Intel executive has revealed that his company tried unsuccessfully for a long time to get Microsoft to build a tablet operating system.

Sharehold proposal

Apple's opposition to the proposal came to light in the company's 2011 Proxy Statement, which was filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday. The Cupertino, Calif., company's Board of Directors is recommending that shareholders vote against the shareholder proposal entitled "Amend the Companys Corporate Governance Guidelines to adopt and disclose a written CEO succession planning policy."

According to the filing, the CEO succession policy resolution comes from the Central Laborers' Pension Fund. Voting on the proposal will take place on Feb. 23 at Apple's annual shareholder meeting.

In Apple's statement in opposition to the recommendation, the company acknowledges that its Board already "maintains a comprehensive succession plan" and views the publishing of such a plan as giving Apple's competitors "an unfair advantage."

According to the statement, the proposal would also "undermine the Companys efforts to recruit and retain executives," as rival companies might attempt to hire away executives listed on the list and executives not listed on the list might choose to leave the company.

The statement also asserts that the proposal "attempts to micro-manage and constrain the actions of the Board" without providing the flexibility needed to adjust to "unanticipated changes in the market."

The filing also details Apple's opposition to a shareholder resolution from pension giant CalPers that advocates a required majority vote for uncontested elections of Board members.

VLC removed

Apple has pulled the VLC video player iOS app from the App Store because of a licensing dispute, MacNN reports.

According to the report, Apple's own App Store licensing terms are in conflict with the open-source GNU General Public License used by VLC. Apple's requirement of Digital Rights Management for apps offered through the App Store goes against the terms of the GNU GPL.

The licensing discrepancy was apparently brought to Apple's attention by VLC developer Rémi Denis-Courmon.

"At last, Apple has removed VLC media player from its application store. Thus the incompatibility between the GNU General Public License and the AppStore terms of use is resolved - the hard way," Denis-Courmon is reported as saying in a blog post. "I am not going to pity the owners of iDevices, and not even the MobileVLC developers who doubtless wasted a lot of their time. This end should not have come to a surprise to anyone."

Intel tablets

After Microsoft announced that it was preparing a version of the next major Windows release for low-power processor designs from Intel rival ARM, an Intel executive said that Intel had been unsuccessfully trying to convince Microsoft to develop a tablet-specific OS for quite some time.

"Hey, we tried to get [Microsoft] to do a tablet OS (operating system) for a long time. Us, and others like Dell," Tom Kilroy, senior vice president and general manager of Intel's Sales and Marketing Group told Cnet on Thursday.

Intel has lost substantial ground to ARM in the mobile space, with ARM's designs making their way into successful devices like Apple's iPhone and iPad.

In October, Intel CEO Paul Otellini admitted that the chipmaker is coming from behind in the mobile race, but called the race a "marathon" that Intel will eventually win.

The HP Slate, a joint tablet venture between HP and Microsoft that was announced last year at the Consumer Electronics Show, saw disappointing sales when it was released last fall.
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It's no secret that Rémi Denis-Courmon is not a fan of Apple. His day job is software engineer for Nokia.
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Here is his photo. A bit pale and fugly.
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VLC removed

Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store because of a licensing dispute, MacNN reports.

According to the report, Apple's own App Store licensing terms are in conflict with the open-source GNU General Public License used by VLC. Apple's requirement of Digital Rights Management for apps offered through the App Store goes against the terms of the GNU GPL.

The licensing discrepancy was apparently brought to Apple's attention by VLC developer Rémi Denis-Courmon.

"At last, Apple has removed VLC media player from its application store. Thus the incompatibility between the GNU General Public License and the AppStore terms of use is resolved - the hard way," Denis-Courmon is reported as saying in a blog post. "I am not going to pity the owners of iDevices, and not even the MobileVLC developers who doubtless wasted a lot of their time. This end should not have come to a surprise to anyone."

Was only a matter of time. Glad I got it while I could.
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Was only a matter of time. Glad I got it while I could.

Get it from www.videolan.org. Or versiontracker.com which has a much bigger selection of Mac software.
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In Apple's statement in opposition to the recommendation, the company acknowledges that its Board already "maintains a comprehensive succession plan" and views the publishing of such a plan as giving Apple's competitors "an unfair advantage."

According to the statement, the proposal would also "undermine the Companys efforts to recruit and retain executives," as rival companies might attempt to hire away executives listed on the list and executives not listed on the list might choose to leave the company.

Totally agree with Apple on this. SJ is a smart guy and I am sure the board is pretty smart too. Of course they have a plan. It would be stupid to announce their plans.

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Get it from www.videolan.org. Or versiontracker.com which has a much bigger selection of Mac software.

I think you have your versions messed up. The versiontracker page is actually for the mac app, not the ios app. Sorry.
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Man, I am so glad I got it when it was available. That guy needs to get his head on straight, and VLC needs to make sure they get back in, or many people are going to be unhappy.
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Man, I am so glad I got it when it was available. That guy needs to get his head on straight, and VLC needs to make sure they get back in, or many people are going to be unhappy.

Not going to make a difference - this is an idealogical battle.
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Grabbed my copy when it first came out. Came in handy watching Dexter at lunch.
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I think you have your versions messed up. The versiontracker page is actually for the mac app, not the ios app. Sorry.

The article says "Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store", nothing about iOS. Try readiing the article again.
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Man, I am so glad I got it when it was available. That guy needs to get his head on straight, and VLC needs to make sure they get back in, or many people are going to be unhappy.

http://www.domzilla.net/en/iphone-apps/movieplayer/
http://cinexplayer.com/

Whilst these aren't free like vlc they won't break the bank either.

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It's no secret that Rémi Denis-Courmon is not a fan of Apple.

True and I don't need his pity nor vlc on an iDevice. It's always been a buggy piece of software on the Mac; current version crashes half the time I quit the app.
On reflection it's the only app on my Snow Leopard Mac that crashes every day of use, not even Flash does that!
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The article says "Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store", nothing about iOS. Try readiing the article again.

Not Mac app store. That's the difference.
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Denis-Courmon is reported as saying in a blog post. "I am not going to pity the owners of iDevices, and not even the MobileVLC developers who doubtless wasted a lot of their time. This end should not have come to a surprise to anyone."

Way to paint yourself as a jerk. How are users and developers at all at fault over a licensing misalignment? I have pity for users who can't use good, free and open software because of bureaucratic stumbling blocks, and developers who want to provide good, free and open software but have their hands tied.

Is there any potential solution in sight? Could VideoLan somehow release their source code for the app for developers who want to tinker with it and then publish the packaged app on the App Store? Do Apple's guidelines prohibit releasing source code? And is the GPL that they're using really that tight about distributing it in a way that must be modifiable, without exception?

Seems like one or both of them need to loosen up just a little bit. I'm sure Apple don't want to cut themselves off from all GPL products, and it's hardly in the interests of the GNU Project to cut off all technologies released under the GPL from a major growing platform.

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Nothing against the Labor and CalPERS but I'll be voting down both of their proposals in the proxy vote.
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The article says "Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store", nothing about iOS. Try readiing the article again.

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"I am not going to pity the owners of iDevices, and not even the MobileVLC developers"

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post #16 of 121
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The article says "Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store", nothing about iOS. Try readiing the article again.

It also says "At last, Apple has removed VLC media player from its application store"

"At last" would be rather grand for the Mac App Store, since it's been open for less than 48 hours. I don't believe VLC was ever on there, and as a guess it won't be anytime soon.


Well done, you pointed out the omission of a slight point of clarity, but no need to be so contrary.

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Way to paint yourself as a jerk. How are users and developers at all at fault over a licensing misalignment? I have pity for users who can't use good, free and open software because of bureaucratic stumbling blocks, and developers who want to provide good, free and open software but have their hands tied.

Is there any potential solution in sight? Could VideoLan somehow release their source code for the app for developers who want to tinker with it and then publish the packaged app on the App Store? Do Apple's guidelines prohibit releasing source code? And is the GPL that they're using really that tight about distributing it in a way that must be modifiable, without exception?

Seems like one or both of them need to loosen up just a little bit. I'm sure Apple don't want to cut themselves off from all GPL products, and it's hardly in the interests of the GNU Project to cut off all technologies released under the GPL from a major growing platform.

You think a free app like VLC is somehow going to convince Apple to change their licensing structure and deal with GPLv3. You're dreaming.

In a year from now not one piece of Apple software will be built with GCC. It will all be LLVM/Clang and libc++ will eventually supersede libstdc++.
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Man, I am so glad I got it when it was available. That guy needs to get his head on straight, and VLC needs to make sure they get back in, or many people are going to be unhappy.

OPlayer. Nuff said.
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The article says "Apple has pulled the VLC video player app from the App Store", nothing about iOS. Try readiing the article again.

It's no longer on the store for iDevices either.
Both stores for Mac and iDevices have the same "App Store" title.
However Apple does distinguish between them by referring to the Mac version as the Mac App Store.
Rereading the article wouldn't have helped.
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You think a free app like VLC is somehow going to convince Apple to change their licensing structure and deal with GPLv3. You're dreaming.

I didn't say I think they would, I said they need to if they don't want to cut themselves off from GPL software. I'm sure they don't want to cut themselves off from GPL software, but I'm not sure what compromises wouldn't be required at Apple's end, maybe they'd be minor, maybe major. If major then obviously it depends where their priorities lie, but I hope they manage to open a dialogue with GNU and figure out how they can make it work.

Apple seem to be evolving the app stores iteratively and opening them up piecemeal, so I think it's entirely possible that they could do this.

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Totally agree with Apple on this. SJ is a smart guy and I am sure the board is pretty smart too. Of course they have a plan. It would be stupid to announce their plans.

As somebody who has way too much of my paltry estate invested in AAPL, I completely agree with you.

Besides, I really don't see what the point would be.
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Nothing against the Labor and CalPERS but I'll be voting down both of their proposals in the proxy vote.

Same here.

While I understand the concern over succession-planning given Jobs health history, it seems almost mind-boggling that some think there is no plan. Public plans do not always have the best outcomes - I remember when there were 3 possible candidates for American Express working cohesively together to keep the company at the top. Once the succession plan was publicly announced, two left and there was turmoil and turf battles amongst those jockeying for positions.
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I didn't say I think they would, I said they need to if they don't want to cut themselves off from GPL software. I'm sure they don't want to cut themselves off from GPL software, but I'm not sure what compromises wouldn't be required at Apple's end, maybe they'd be minor, maybe major. If major then obviously it depends where their priorities lie, but I hope they manage to open a dialogue with GNU and figure out how they can make it work.

Apple seem to be evolving the app stores iteratively and opening them up piecemeal, so I think it's entirely possible that they could do this.

Now there's a fight worth paying for - Apple v Stallman and his GPL/FSF cronies.
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You think a free app like VLC is somehow going to convince Apple to change their licensing structure and deal with GPLv3. You're dreaming.

In a year from now not one piece of Apple software will be built with GCC. It will all be LLVM/Clang and libc++ will eventually supersede libstdc++.

You lost me there. Is the transition from GCC to LLVM/Clang something to do with GPLv3?
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I'm sure Oracle will be very thankful to this Remy bloke for giving them a nice example to use as ammunition their case against Google abusing the license of Java with their implementation of Dalvik in Android.

btw I already have VLC on my iPhone and I expect the developer to continue supporting any issues I have under the agreement I entered into at the time I downloaded the software.
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... In October, Intel CEO Paul Otellini admitted that the chipmaker is coming from behind in the mobile race, but called the race a "marathon" that Intel will eventually win. ...

Reminds me of a quote by Vince Lombardi: "We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time."

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post #27 of 121
What is this guy Rémi Denis-Courmon up to, he was the one who pointed out the discrepancy and if he did not VLC will still be in the apps store.

So he is the one kicking the other vlc developers.

Pity? or one with a paid agenda by ..... your guess is as good as mine.
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From the first paragraph of the article:

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...company, while the VLC media player iOS app has reportedly been removed from the App Store over a licensing disagreement.

He sounds like a child saying "I'm taking ball and going home."
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What is this guy Rémi Denis-Courmon up to, he was the one who pointed out the discrepancy and if he did not VLC will still be in the apps store.

So he is the one kicking the other vlc developers.

Pity? or one with a paid agenda by ..... your guess is as good as mine.

He's simply an ideologue aligned with GNU/FSF.

As I said above, Apple v Stallman and his cronies would be a fight worth paying for.
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Not going to make a difference - this is an idealogical battle.

I really like the idea of open source but these guys that are all wrapped up in the GPL are idiots. In the end what they support is not freedom at all. Rather it is a petty club that requires strict adhesion to the religion of the GPL.
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LOL: "Intel will eventually win".

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You lost me there. Is the transition from GCC to LLVM/Clang something to do with GPLv3?

If you notice the GCC Apple uses is rather old. It is my understanding that Apple like many organizations has rejected GPL version 3. LLVM & company predate GPL 3 though. I would have to say GPL 3 gave Apple a little push.
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Not going to make a difference - this is an idealogical battle.

Well it's probably on cydia anyway. I haven't jailbroken my iPod, so I'm so grateful for it being there in the first place.
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I really like the idea of open source but these guys that are all wrapped up in the GPL are idiots. In the end what they support is not freedom at all. Rather it is a petty club that requires strict adhesion to the religion of the GPL.

Free choice but no choices.
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In the long run I believe GPL will lose by not having any major & relevant projects covered in the future. Restrictive nature of GPL v3 will push many projects to other (“sane” as someone put it) open source licences which won’t restrict further code development and reuse in commercial world.

VLC lost already, more so on a Mac. On iOS there are better alternatives, more compatible with media formats and less buggy, though they cost money. On desktop I believe people are still using it only because they haven’t yet tried things like XBMC etc.
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The Mac version, that is. The iOS version sucks, hard.
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btw I already have VLC on my iPhone and I expect the developer to continue supporting any issues I have under the agreement I entered into at the time I downloaded the software.

Have fun with that, Apple cancelled that agreement for you.
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Stopped using VLC ages ago. Perian allows any QT based app to play/convert all legacy formats. Much smarter approach and brings in media to my iOS devices. The only thing the OSX version of VLC is good for is handbrake.

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post #39 of 121
The only reason I have VLC installed is CineXPlayer wouldn't play Willy Wonka for me.
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post #40 of 121
I believe that jackass's name is actually Rémi Denis-Courmont. http://www.remlab.net/
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