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Responding to rumors of an imminent Verizon iPhone launch, AT&T has countered by touting the speed of its network, which a recent study found to be 20 percent to 60 percent faster than competitors.

AT&T made an official comment as impending Verizon iPhone announcement is expected this week. In a statement to Silicon Alley Insider, AT&T spokesman Larry Solomon noted that AT&T's wireless technology allows for faster download speeds than Verizon.

"The iPhone is built for speed, but that's not what you get with a CDMA iPhone," he said. "I'm not sure iPhone users are ready for life in the slow lane."

In November, an independent test from Global Wireless Solutions found that AT&T's network is 60 percent faster than its chief competitor, Verizon. However, Verizon has a larger 3G coverage area across the U.S. than AT&T, a fact that Verizon pushed in its "There's a map for that" campaign in late 2009.

Verizon has scheduled a media event in New York City on Tuesday, where it is expected to announce a new CDMA iPhone that is compatible with its wireless network. The handset is expected to launch later this month, coinciding with employee vacation blackout restrictions imposed in Apple's retail stores and first reported by AppleInsider.

The Verizon iPhone is expected to be a current-generation iPhone 4, offering the same features as the phone currently available exclusively from AT&T. But photos and video leaked earlier this month have suggested that the new CDMA handset could also feature a tweaked antenna design.

For more, see AppleInsider's ongoing coverage leading up to Tuesday's anticipated Verizon iPhone Event.
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So this pretty much confirms it then?
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Originally Posted by OnMyMiNd04 View Post

So this pretty much confirms it then?

No, I think it was pretty much confirmed when they left Gizmodo off the invite list.
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Agreed.

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No, I think it was pretty much confirmed when they left Gizmodo off the invite list.
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No, I think it was pretty much confirmed when they left Gizmodo off the invite list.

Haha.
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If they're confident they can compete, why did they work so hard to lock everyone they could into a contract over the last 6 months?
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If they're confident they can compete, why did they work so hard to lock everyone they could into a contract over the last 6 months?

Because that's their job. Why would they not be trying to lock in new subscribers and current ones close to the end of their contract?
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Ya know what would be a slap in the face to AT&T for saying that?... Verizon and Apple announcing the first LTE iPhone, exclusive to Verizon only til June. Won't happen though. Guess we'll have to suffer with CDMA for now, even if it's announced tomorrow.
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Depends where the are I guess. In NYC or SF, yeah I can argue that maybe verizon will be faster. Here in Houston? I'll gladly stay with my average 3.5 down and 1.2 up.
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Choice is good....now let's add the remaining carriers: Sprint, T-Mobile. Let the consumer choose.
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Ya know what would be a slap in the face to AT&T for saying that?... Verizon and Apple announcing the first LTE iPhone, exclusive to Verizon only til June. Won't happen though. Guess we'll have to suffer with CDMA for now, even if it's announced tomorrow.

Yeah, my money's on CDMA. LTE is too young and not available in enough areas. It also sucks battery life, though that won't necessarily stop Apple in the long run. What we can usually bet on, though, is Apple focusing on things which are important to the general market.
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"The iPhone is built for speed, but that's not what you get with a Att iPhone," he said. "I'm sure iPhone users are ready to not have dropped calls and excellent 3G coverage."

T,FTFY
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Because that's their job. Why would they not be trying to lock in new subscribers and current ones close to the end of their contract?

Sure.
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Frankly, I've always been less than moved when people post about the benefits of competition between iPhone and <fill in the blank>. Haven't seen Apple standing still even as it laps everyone else.

But competition between carriers REALLY is a good thing. Its about time Verizon & AT&T start cutting each others throats instead of ours.
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

"The iPhone is built for speed, but that's not what you get with a Att iPhone," he said. "I'm sure iPhone users are ready to not have dropped calls and excellent 3G coverage."

T,FTFY

It all depends on where you live. In OC California, I've had very good luck with AT&T. There's not a chance I'd move to Verizon and give up speed and the ability to talk and use data simultaneously.
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There is no way that Apple would offer one version of the iPhone with a fix for the antenna issue and one not.

If there is a revised antenna design ready to be released, all the iPhones will get it at the same time.
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The statement doesn't confirm anything. AT&T has been down playing the iPhone for the past few years. Remember when De La Vega said a few exclusive phones will no longer be exclusive back in 2009? Everyone expected a Verizon iPhone launch in 2010 and we got nothing. I still think tomorrow will be the announcement, but that's not based on AT&T's statement.
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I think speed is pretty good when you are in an area with good signal strength.

The problem is finding an area with good signal strength.

I am in Houston and it can get spotty for sure.
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

It all depends on where you live. In OC California, I've had very good luck with AT&T. There's not a chance I'd move to Verizon and give up speed and the ability to talk and use data simultaneously.

Well with both using LTE it will be a moot point, both with SIM cards, finally.

Of course, Verizon is always 6-9 ahead of Att in terms of deployment, so it continues.
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I dont understand why is the phone not coming to T-mobile. It is the ONLY reason Im jailbroken. How long is it going to take Apple?
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The problem with ATT's statement is that ATT doesn't work in as many places. Some people would rather have slow than no speed at all.
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I can't wait to hear Verizon users complaining about their network when the iPhone overwhelms it.

They both suck, people! They ALL suck! Every network has slow spots, dropped calls, no coverage etc. The grass isn't greener, it's just a different shade of brown.

The iPhone will likely be just as good on verizon with as many kudos and complaints.
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Was listening to NPR via my new iPhone 4 this morning. I have generally not had any problems with ATT, and reupped with them recently. But, just as NPR was reading this story on the morning news, my ATT coverage simply...stopped. Plenty of the touted "bars" and a nicne "3G" indication but the ATT network was no where to be found, even for other apps. Restart, no dice. ATT just crapped the bed just as Verizon was being announced as available.

Fairly, this was the first in over 2 years I can recall this happening. But the timing was so...perfect.
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My entire life with AT&T/iPhone has been in the "slow lane" as only EDGE is available where i live. 3G is on special occasions when I go out of town about 2 hours away. And that's usually at big sporting events and everyone is bogging down the towers where I am. So at&t's 3G is exactly "stelar" in my experiences.....

Thank goodness I didn't renew my at&t contact 3 months ago! Verizon, here I come!!!! (hopefully)
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Yeah, my money's on CDMA. LTE is too young and not available in enough areas. It also sucks battery life, though that won't necessarily stop Apple in the long run. What we can usually bet on, though, is Apple focusing on things which are important to the general market.

I know, I tell everybody that an LTE iPhone on any network this year is unlikely since Apple would not invest into making phones on an unstable network that just came out. If anything, next year for LTE iPhones.
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AT&T might be fastest when you can get a signal (emphasis on MIGHT), but I really think most customers would prefer reliability over having mobile web sites load half a second faster
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Was listening to NPR via my new iPhone 4 this morning. I have generally not had any problems with ATT, and reupped with them recently. But, just as NPR was reading this story on the morning news, my ATT coverage simply...stopped. Plenty of the touted "bars" and a nicne "3G" indication but the ATT network was no where to be found, even for other apps. Restart, no dice. ATT just crapped the bed just as Verizon was being announced as available.

Fairly, this was the first in over 2 years I can recall this happening. But the timing was so...perfect.

that is because your iphone heard the word Verzion coming through its speaker cut your connection to the networks, it is in denial.
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I can't wait to hear Verizon users complaining about their network when the iPhone overwhelms it.

They both suck, people! They ALL suck! Every network has slow spots, dropped calls, no coverage etc. The grass isn't greener, it's just a different shade of brown.

The iPhone will likely be just as good on verizon with as many kudos and complaints.

FYI, those android people use more data than iphone users and there are plenty of them on verizon.

I can't recall their being articles about the network caving in about it, but I'm open to any links to such.
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Is Verizon that much slower than other CDMA providers? Because around here, CDMA is pretty quick, but 3g is dog slow.
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Agreed. I have an iPhone 4 on AT&T, and I barely got signal in Philadelphia, which is a really big city. It's pretty ridiculous. I'd rather have a reliable signal over speed any day. I might make the switch!
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Depends where the are I guess. In NYC or SF, yeah I can argue that maybe verizon will be faster. Here in Houston? I'll gladly stay with my average 3.5 down and 1.2 up.

I think 20 to 60% is low. Surely the AT&T and Verizon iPhones will be compared. I expect AT&Ts download and upload rates to be multiples ahead of Verizon in many areas.


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My entire life with AT&T/iPhone has been in the "slow lane" as only EDGE is available where i live. 3G is on special occasions when I go out of town about 2 hours away. And that's usually at big sporting events and everyone is bogging down the towers where I am. So at&t's 3G is exactly "stelar" in my experiences.....

Thank goodness I didn't renew my at&t contact 3 months ago! Verizon, here I come!!!! (hopefully)

Dont forget that Verizons 3 CDMA2000 1x is technically 3G but is slower than EDGE 2G. I think Verizon has moved their entire network to EV-DO Rev. A which is faster than EDGE, but when they started advertising against AT&T using the 3G and 2G marketing terms this was not the case.
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There is no way that Apple would offer one version of the iPhone with a fix for the antenna issue and one not.

If there is a revised antenna design ready to be released, all the iPhones will get it at the same time.

Agreed. Apple will say something like "to allow for the CDMA radio antenna, we had to separate another section of the metal band around the phone. For production efficiency reason, this has been made to all iphone 4s produced after x date". In reality, they'll take advantage of this small redesign to address the antenna issue IMO.
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Even IF a Verizon iphone puts me in the slow lane, I'd MUCH rather be there than in the "every call dropped" lane that ATT offers!! And I doubt it's gonna be slower. I dumped my iphone for a Droid about a year ago and EVERYTHING about it has been faster although I miss the seamlessness of syncing with my mac. ATT is the best thing I've dumped in years!!! I can't wait to be back on an iphone + Verizon!!!
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I dont understand why is the phone not coming to T-mobile. It is the ONLY reason Im jailbroken. How long is it going to take Apple?

You might want to ask T-Mobile instead. Clearly Apple is willing to allow multiple carriers in the same country to carry the phone, but knowing Apple, the carrier has to abide by their rules. If all of the current carriers (over 100?) can follow Apple's rules, then the ball is likely in T-Mobile's court
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My entire life with AT&T/iPhone has been in the "slow lane" as only EDGE is available where i live. 3G is on special occasions when I go out of town about 2 hours away. And that's usually at big sporting events and everyone is bogging down the towers where I am. So at&t's 3G is exactly "stelar" in my experiences.....

Thank goodness I didn't renew my at&t contact 3 months ago! Verizon, here I come!!!! (hopefully)


Yeah... there is no GSM signal for 5 miles in any direction from my house.

Life in the slow lane would be better than life in the no lane.

I'll just stick with my samsung and sprint a while longer, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data account... when the iphone allows apps from open farms rather than only the walled garden app[le] store, I would think about getting one.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

There is no way that Apple would offer one version of the iPhone with a fix for the antenna issue and one not.

If there is a revised antenna design ready to be released, all the iPhones will get it at the same time.

Im under the impression that the differences between GSM and CDMA alone would require a different antenna design.
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AT&T 3G speed blows VZW out the water by a mile, the only downfall is once you leave metro areas that speed is completely gone.

Great coverage with mediocre 3G speeds vs Mediocre coverage with great 3G speeds.

It will be interesting to see the HSPA+ vs LTE battle coming this summer, AT&Ts entire 3G network has HSPA+ already, just no devices on the market to use it other than USB modems.
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I don't have 3G where I live with ATT, EDGE is NOT fast, and the other two main places I travel to on a regular basis literally stopped getting signal (overnight) or is stupid weak, but their Verizon phones work great. I also needed to use a Microcell at home to get good signal. I will be checking how well someone with Verizon works at my house, but if it has good signal I'm switching. Signal is a concern because if they're feeding off the same towers...won't matter much and the Microcell at home is still a way better option. Hmmm, looks like Verizon does offer a Network Extender...
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I think speed is pretty good when you are in an area with good signal strength.

The problem is finding an area with good signal strength.

I am in Houston and it can get spotty for sure.

What parts? I work in the galleria area, travel to the med center, magnolia, westchase, pearland, pasadena, channelview, downtown and other areas and it's rock solid for me. That's not to say that your issues aren't real, I am just curious where you are located.
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FYI, those android people use more data than iphone users and there are plenty of them on verizon.

The data is not categorized. It could simply be that Android users have to suffer through more advertising data being downloaded to their devices, as iPhone users are much more likely to pay for non ad-supported applications.

Furthermore, because the iPhone is a more app-centric platform, iPhone users are more likely to use a native app rather than visit a website. This would mean, iPhones are just downloading raw data and not entire websites.

Lastly, Android users have to download apps directly thru the device. iPhone users can download larger apps on the computer and then upload them to the device through iTunes/USB.

And you have to remember, there are still more AT&T iPhone users than there are Verizon Android users. I think the latest numbers showed almost twice as many. People seem to forget that Android is on all carriers not just Verizon.
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