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Though a slew of "iPad killers" were introduced at last week's Consumer Electronics Show, none of those tablets are expected to unseat Apple's iPad as the top-selling device, numerous Wall Street analysts said Monday.

With CES now wrapped, analysts who attended said iPad competitors shown off at the Las Vegas convention were unimpressive. Apple is expected to introduce its FaceTime-supporting second-generation iPad in the near future, likely leaving competitors even further behind, they said.

J.P. Morgan

Analyst Mark Moskowitz said he and his team believe Apple will retain more than 60 percent of the tablet market over the next two years, based on the competition spotted at CES. He said hands-on time with a number of devices showed that competitors have a great deal of catching up to do with the iPad.

Moskowitz said tablets he saw were too small and too slow, with the popular 7-inch screen size inferior to Apple's 9.7-inch display, and devices like the BlackBerry PlayBook and some shown off by Intel not as responsive as the iPad.

"in particular, we found the PlayBook to have issues with displaying and scrolling web pages," he wrote. "While these issues could be related to over-used Internet pipes at CES, we believe the browser issues were similar to those in other BlackBerry devices."

Another problem he saw with iPad competitors: there are too many of them. He estimates that more than 40 tablets will appear in the coming months, and while some may be decent, many will fail.

"We believe that Apple's tablet form factor, sturdy operating system, first mover advantage, and apps/content ecosystem should sustain its market dominance beyond the near term," Moskowitz said.

Deutsche Bank

Analyst Chris Whitmore said even after CES, Apple's iPad remains the "gold standard" of touchscreen tablets. He expects to see more than 50 tablets come to market this year, and all of them will be competing for second place.

Whitmore sees about 40 million tablets being shipped in 2011, and he has forecast Apple's iPad will sell around 28 million units, taking roughly 70 percent of the total market.

"We believe the dozens of new tablet entrants will have a difficult time generating meaningful profits due to Apple's enormous cost and branding lead," he said. "We also believe Apple's app lead and tight software-hardware integration provides a significantly better user experience than the devices we saw at CES."



Ticonderoga Securities

The most likely tablets to see a moderate amount of success in 2011 are the BlackBerry PlayBook and Motorola Xoom, in the eyes of analyst Brian White. Still, he saw little that he believes will challenge Apple's lead with the iPad.

"The tablets shown at CES offer certain performance metrics and features not found on the iPad 1," he wrote. "However, we must keep in mind that the specs for iPad 2 have not been announced.

"Also, we still believe the Apple experience with a connected digital ecosystem that extends across devices is superior to the tablets we viewed at the show, while Apple's aesthetics remain well ahead of the pack."

RBC Capital Markets

More bullish on the PlayBook was analyst Mike Abramsky, who said the differentiations in multitasking and performance "may be difficult" for Apple to rival. He expects RIM to expand the PlayBook beyond the 7-inch form factor the company will debut at launch.

"Some aspects of PlayBook (e.g., Apps) are being polished; however, RIM appears determined to get PlayBook right out of the gate, including competitive battery life (via power management from its QNX-based OS)," Abramsky wrote.

Abramsky's take contrasts with another analyst, Shaw Wu of Kaufman Bros., who has suggested that RIM is struggling to fix battery issues with the PlayBook. For its part, RIM has denied any problems in the development of the hardware.

Abramsky believes RIM could even offer some form of virtualization or emulation to allow Android applications to run on the PlayBook. He noted that devices running Google's "Honeycomb" version of the Android operating system do not yet appear "fully baked."
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Though a slew of "iPad killers" were introduced at last week's Consumer Electronics Show, none of those tablets are expected to unseat Apple's iPad as the top-selling device, numerous Wall Street analysts said Monday.

Gosh that's a surprise

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post #3 of 78
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iPad is the genuine article. PlayBook? bah! Xoom? meh! Galaxy? next!
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Of course it's the leader.

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iPad is the genuine article. PlayBook? bah! Xoom? meh! Galaxy? next!

I thought the PlayBooks speed and UI was pretty slick. How that relates to real world usability and longevity is another question.
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Well I'm just shocked at that. The naysayers and trolls all clamored as to how "crippled" the iPad is and how no one would EVER buy the iPad.

It's a big iPod Touch,
Doesn't have a keyboard,
It's not "open",
<insert additional whining here>,
etc...

Now, it seems the entire PC industry is out to build one, and suddenly those same folks are now saying how the formfactor / tablet (except now it's fanboy Android) will "suddenly" be what everyone was asking for.

Well now that Android is becoming the Microsoft Windows of the mobile industry. The same reason why Windows is maligned (and forcibly accepted by the masses) will be the same moniker that will get slapped on every android device. Used by many, but hated by most. Except of course, the tech-heads... who think they know better than anyone else what the market should have.
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How about a decent iPad competitor first!?
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Well I'm just shocked at that. The naysayers and trolls all clamored as to how "crippled" the iPad is and how no one would EVER buy the iPad.

It's a big iPod Touch,
Doesn't have a keyboard,
It's not "open",
<insert additional whining here>,
etc

What I find most hysterical are people that called it a giant iPod despite the UI and apps being rewritten specifically for the I/O, yet they call the Galaxy Tab running Android 2.x for smartphones and with ½ the display area a better tablet.
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The most interesting single word in this post is Ticonderoga's "ecosystem." While the techies object to Apple's "walled garden," Apple is building, I think toward a "compute anywhere" user environment in which the Apple's new mega-server-farm will hold its customers' data--encrypted, of course--and allow us to log in on any Mac or iOS device, anywhere, and operate in our own customized environment, as saved, with all our apps, on the servers. And the average customer, even pretty sophisticated ones, will absolutely love being able to sit down anywhere and work as if they were at their office or home desk, easy chair, commuter's seat, etc. iPad, iPhone, or Mac, that's the Apple user's future, I believe.
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iPad2 will be the iPad killer, and everyone else will have to stop bragging about how their vaporware is better than last year's apple tech.
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gee the analyst had to go and see for themselves to figure this out, people is not about the hardware, it is about the experience, and no other company has any plans for a total experience.

It is ike going to Disney World without the characters, the hotels, and the mono rail, yes it is a nice parks but it is missing things that you come to expect when you shell out $ to go stay.
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The most interesting single word in this post is Ticonderoga's "ecosystem." While the techies object to Apple's "walled garden," Apple is building, I think toward a "compute anywhere" user environment in which the Apple's new mega-server-farm will hold its customers' data--encrypted, of course--and allow us to log in on any Mac or iOS device, anywhere, and operate in our own customized environment, as saved, with all our apps, on the servers. And the average customer, even pretty sophisticated ones, will absolutely love being able to sit down anywhere and work as if they were at their office or home desk, easy chair, commuter's seat, etc. iPad, iPhone, or Mac, that's the Apple user's future, I believe.

iOS has the potential to be an excellent thin client platform.
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What I find most hysterical are people that called it a giant iPod despite the UI and apps being rewritten specifically for the I/O, yet they call the Galaxy Tab running Android 2.x for smartphones and with ½ the display area a better tablet.

Yes, the hypocrisy of the non-iOS tablet hounds know no bounds.
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iPad2 will be the iPad killer, and everyone else will have to stop bragging about how their vaporware is better than last year's apple tech.

True. true.
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iPad2 will be the iPad killer, and everyone else will have to stop bragging about how their vaporware is better than last year's apple tech.

Of course the reason it was all vaporware at CES is they all have to wait to see the iPad 2 so they can copy all the new ideas.
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post #18 of 78
so much for all the iPad wannabe LOL. I think Google need to get more copy machines to copy whatever Apple coming up to even think about competing with Apple.

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I know a lot of Apple's competitors have "rushed" to add tablets to their product line....but tech is so fast-moving and Apple doesn't lay employees off in recessions. They redouble their efforts in R&D and when the economy does come around Apple is positioned to take first, fast and full advantage.

RIM, HP, MS, Dell, Sony...it's almost like me starting to make a tablet in my garage thinking I'm going to sell a "S**tload" of Tablets. I would never ever catch up even to the first iPad iteration and Apple is ready to release their second gen. Very much like the iPod which had 75% of the MP# player market and yet Apple still improved the whole iPod line every year or so.

Not to mention the Apple "eco-system" which I think is still misunderstood by Apple's competitors. Or perhaps it is ignored because creating a Dell ecosystem is viewed as an insurmountable problem that has to be "surmounted!" And it's easier to just kind of brush it away.

Also, Apple is investing in the research of batteries, materials/alloys/glass and improvements in manufacturing (eg., unibody construction. coatings, etc.)

It's a good thing for these companies that Apple came out with the iPad. At least Apple provided a "template' with the iPad from which to "reverse-engineer."

Which is whole lot easier than starting with a clean piece of paper. Just ask MS/Gates who have been "titting" around with tablets for 10 years with zero to show for it.

Other Tablets are DOA!

Oh well, I have to get back to my garage!

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What I find most hysterical are people that called it a giant iPod despite the UI and apps being rewritten specifically for the I/O, yet they call the Galaxy Tab running Android 2.x for smartphones and with ½ the display area a better tablet.

I need someone to explain to me (call me troll or stupid if you need to) how the iPad is not "a giant iPod." The UI is the same--touchscreen and home/volume/mute/power buttons. Some apps are written differently for the large screen, but most magnify to fill the larger screen. The 3G model adds mobile functionality and GPS, but the wifi version is the same as the 2009 iPod Touch.

I'm not saying that is a bad thing. If the iPad 2 becomes a "giant 2010 iPod Touch," with camera(s), Facetime and built-in microphone, I will buy one. The other rumored changes would be nice but not necessary to me. If not, then I will wait for version 3 or 4 or 5...

The Galaxy Tab and every other Android tablet I've seen is a waste of money compared to the iPad.
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The Motorola Xoom was probably the best of the competing tablets, it was demonstrated showing a VIDEO of how honeycomb is going to look.

Of course it appeals to those who don't want Apple, the type that seem to be easily amused by the shiny beads and trinkets Google uses to lure them into their advertising funded spyware web.
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I need someone to explain to me (call me troll or stupid if you need to) how the iPad is not "a giant iPod." The UI is the same--touchscreen and home/volume/mute/power buttons. Some apps are written differently for the large screen, but most magnify to fill the larger screen. The 3G model adds mobile functionality and GPS, but the wifi version is the same as the 2009 iPod Touch.

The same basic internal components. Same core OS. Even the same CocoaTouch to create the UI and app, but it was all rewritten to optimize it for the display/touchpanel I/O.

Which of these native apps do you think we copied from the small screen iOS to the iPad without a rewrite? Which are just blown up iPod Touch/iPhone apps?
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post #23 of 78
Remember the little "Tablet" teaser about tablets throughout time?

There's now an additional vignette with two Tylenols on a pedestal.
Title reads: "Take 2 and get back to us next CES."

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The same basic internal components. Same core OS. Even the same CocoaTouch to create the UI and app, but it was all rewritten to optimize it for the display/touchpanel I/O.

Which of these native apps do you think we copied from the small screen iOS to the iPad without a rewrite? Which are just blown up iPod Touch/iPhone apps?

Oh. You didn't specify native apps, so I didn't know that is what you meant. I was referring to those available on the App Store. The native apps were rewritten nicely for the larger screen. Even still, how is the iPad not a big iPod Touch? They do the same thing, only one fits in my pocket and the other fits more on the screen.
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Well I'm just shocked at that. The naysayers and trolls all clamored as to how "crippled" the iPad is and how no one would EVER buy the iPad.

It's a big iPod Touch,
Doesn't have a keyboard,
It's not "open",
<insert additional whining here>,
etc...

Now, it seems the entire PC industry is out to build one, and suddenly those same folks are now saying how the formfactor / tablet (except now it's fanboy Android) will "suddenly" be what everyone was asking for.

Well now that Android is becoming the Microsoft Windows of the mobile industry. The same reason why Windows is maligned (and forcibly accepted by the masses) will be the same moniker that will get slapped on every android device. Used by many, but hated by most. Except of course, the tech-heads... who think they know better than anyone else what the market should have.

You said it perfectly!
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"RBC Capital Markets: More bullish on the PlayBook was analyst Mike Abramsky, who said the differentiations in multitasking and performance "may be difficult" for Apple to rival. He expects RIM to expand the PlayBook beyond the 7-inch form factor the company will debut at launch."

Yep. Just like Windows tablets will be difficult to rival right? Wonder who is paying for his opinion. Does anyone really think that Adobe Air apps will come out of nowhere to be a contender? Especially if developers can't base at least some of the work to produce a blackberry phone app. I don't see how anyone would succeed in this space if they don't have an existing market to piggyback off of. That is why the iPad blew away expectations so fast. I think RIM's power management solution may be replaceable batteries... It feels like the rest of the tablet industry is lacking a business plan. Android tablets are the only devices that may find a place in the market, but I think Google is still trying to get their platform right. Coming out with a tablet variation of their OS right now feels forced by the industry and will probably be subpar until Google is actually ready. If anything the distraction may be hurting Android phones and preventing them from being a stronger competitor to the iPhone.
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Oh. You didn't specify native apps, so I didn't know that is what you meant. I was referring to those available on the App Store. The native apps were rewritten nicely for the larger screen. Even still, how is the iPad not a big iPod Touch? They do the same thing, only one fits in my pocket and the other fits more on the screen.

You say they were rewritten for the iPad but then claim its still just an iPod Touch in a bigger form factor? What else would have to be done for you to see it as an iPad tablet and not as a big iPod Touch PMP?

As for the option to run iPod Touch/iPhone apps on the iPad that havent been rewritten for that device, have you see this in action? I deleted all such apps immediately as they looked horrible in 1x or 2x resolutions. Its not even the same pixel density or aspect ratios. Even the great FaceBook app on the iPhone becomes a horrible app on the iPad. The best way to interact with FB on the iPad is through Safari.
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post #28 of 78
Something to memorize: There are Pads. And then, there are iPads.
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Oh. You didn't specify native apps, so I didn't know that is what you meant. I was referring to those available on the App Store. The native apps were rewritten nicely for the larger screen. Even still, how is the iPad not a big iPod Touch? They do the same thing, only one fits in my pocket and the other fits more on the screen.

I think the real thing that makes a big break between the smaller form factor devices and the iPad is that the latter is much heavier on the input side of the I/O balance. Sure, I use my iPhone for input tasks from time to time, but of course it's not as relaxing, fast or flexible. The iPad has the potential to truly untether from the desk in a way no other product offers. My wife has the 11" Air, and it's great, but when it's closed it's closed. Psychologically and physically, you can't just pop it out of your pocket and tap away.

There's a sweet spot available between the flexibility and depth of a full-bore computer (even a light, fleet one like an Air) and the highly available but permanently limited handheld.
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You say they were rewritten for the iPad but then claim its still just an iPod Touch in a bigger form factor? What else would have to be done for you to see it as an iPad tablet and not as a big iPod Touch PMP?

As for the option to run iPod Touch/iPhone apps on the iPad that havent been rewritten for that device, have you see this in action? I deleted all such apps immediately as they looked horrible in 1x or 2x resolutions. Its not even the same pixel density or aspect ratios. Even the great FaceBook app on the iPhone becomes a horrible app on the iPad. The best way to interact with FB on the iPad is through Safari.

To answer your first question, yes--that is exactly what I meant. In the grand scheme of things, the apps do the exact same thing. To the second question, I don't know. Maybe I just like the iPod Touch too much. I never said I disliked the iPad. Apple could call the next version "Big iPod Touch, Facetime Edition" and I would buy one.
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I think the real thing that makes a big break between the smaller form factor devices and the iPad is that the latter is much heavier on the input side of the I/O balance. Sure, I use my iPhone for input tasks from time to time, but of course it's not as relaxing, fast or flexible. The iPad has the potential to truly untether from the desk in a way no other product offers. My wife has the 11" Air, and it's great, but when it's closed it's closed. Psychologically and physically, you can't just pop it out of your pocket and tap away.

There's a sweet spot available between the flexibility and depth of a full-bore computer (even a light, fleet one like an Air) and the highly available but permanently limited handheld.

Yep. I think this is the time for multiple computing devices too. As computing devices continue to get less expensive we will have more of them. I already find myself using my iPhone, two iPads, and my laptop at the same time. You can buy all four of these devices for the cost of a decent macbook pro a few years ago. It is fairly common recently for companies to give someone a free iPad with paperwork instead of stacks of paper. That trend will probably continue as these things get less expensive (or everyone will have an iPad so they will just use digital files).

Now device integration just needs to get a little bit better...
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I thought the PlayBooks speed and UI was pretty slick.

I did too, the demo running the live 1080p clip next to Quake 3 next to a photo slide show was also pretty impressive:

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/10...tablet-bridge/

The Flash in the browser wasn't but it's got some powerful hardware. Dual Cortex A9 with 1GB RAM.

I personally don't like the small screens even though it has a similar resolution to the iPad.

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The same basic internal components. Same core OS. Even the same CocoaTouch to create the UI and app, but it was all rewritten to optimize it for the display/touchpanel I/O.

Which of these native apps do you think we copied from the small screen iOS to the iPad without a rewrite? Which are just blown up iPod Touch/iPhone apps?

When you say 'all rewritten', they don't recode the apps entirely. They change very small amounts of code, resample the UI bitmaps and repackage them. Some apps developers have chosen to do different apps but the bulk of the code is reusable.

If the iPad 2 gets a dual Cortex A9 with 1GB RAM and the iPhone 5 doesn't, then I'd say there's an unbridgeable gap. Right now, it's pretty much the exact same hardware inside both.
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Though a slew of "iPad killers" were introduced at last week's Consumer Electronics Show, none of those tablets are expected to unseat Apple's iPad as the top-selling device, numerous Wall Street analysts said Monday...

Even though I generally agree with the conclusion, I think these analysts are not really paying that close attention. There were definitely some devices at CES that faster and more robust than the iPad or the iPhone and that's important. The two things that stood out for me are:

- quite a few LTE capable phones.
- quite a few tablets with beefier processors and more memory than iPad.

Now personally, I think iPhone 5 will be an LTE hybrid device, but most pundits and bloggers don't think so at all. It would be horrendously bad for Apple to go a whole year with faster phones than the iPhone in the same markets, but at this point it seems to be happening.

As to the speed, anyone who has really used an iPad (and by that I mean *really* used it day in and day out and loaded it up with all their programs and documents), knows that it stalls and chokes quite a lot, (especially when doing memory intensive tasks or if you have more than one program open, or if the storage is close to the top). The next iPad *needs* to be a whole lot faster just to stay respectable. If the display is higher rez then it will be even more imperative. Apple really needs to put out a gigantic performance improvement to even stay on the same page here.
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To answer your first question, yes--that is exactly what I meant. In the grand scheme of things, the apps do the exact same thing. To the second question, I don't know. Maybe I just like the iPod Touch too much. I never said I disliked the iPad. Apple could call the next version "Big iPod Touch, Facetime Edition" and I would buy one.

There are apps across many different devices of all shapes and sizes and OSes that all do teh same thing. That doesnt make them all iPod Touches.

The bottom line is Apple rewrote the iOS for the iPad which is why its a success. They leveraged their iOS and CocoaTouch and made a brand new apps, UI, and an SDK to facilitate this usability. Just look back at last years SDK for the iPad, it wasnt compatible with the iPhone/iPod Touch version.

The difference between say, Mac OS X on a 11 MBA and Mac OS X on a 30 ACD is that the GUI is designed to be scalable. in iOS the GUI is not scalable because its also the primary way you input data. This means you cant simply shrink or expand elements on the display and have the interaction be the same. With a desktop OS you can adjust the windowing or pointer speed.

PS: Also note that even Google has said Android wont be ready for tablets until Honeycomb. The reason for this is stated above.
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If the iPad 2 gets a dual Cortex A9 with 1GB RAM and the iPhone 5 doesn't, then I'd say there's an unbridgeable gap. Right now, it's pretty much the exact same hardware inside both.

No it isn't an unbrideable gap. They already did this once for the iPhone, just nobody noticed. They went from arm6 to arm7. They also did it with the Mac about 5 years ago. The code needs to be compiled separately. If you want to support iPads and older iPhones for instance, you may end up with a fat binary (both binaries bundled together). Technically they could put an Intel Atom (not that they would) in an iPad and it would just be another binary in the same application bundle. Having twice as much RAM could cause problems for certain applications I guess, but iOS is designed to have a lower memory footprint and allow you to have a larger amount of RAM actively used then a traditional operating system (like QNX).
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msuberly:In other words, you can READ on the iPad anywhere, any time. The screen is large enough. It's on the counter while your tea or coffee is brewing, in your hand when you go into the bank or the Post office to stand in line, next to you on the passenger seat when you're stuck in traffic, and so on. When you live with one you will find yourself using it to LEARN things, maybe five times more than you would with a laptop that you have to open up, or a desktop that you have to sit in front of. It is life-transforming, like books used to be back when people were reading those.

When you get yours, you will see. I hope. Some people who got one still didn't get it, not mentioning any names here. I think some don't like to lounge around on the couch, rather prefer sitting stiff backed at a desk, or maybe don't care that much about reading. The iPad is pleasant to read on, whereas the touch is not so much. And I never liked reading from a verticle screen. Qualitatively different.
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Just like the iPhone when it first came out, it took about a year or two for the competition to heat up. I feel the same way towards the iPad.
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When you say 'all rewritten', they don't recode the apps entirely. They change very small amounts of code, resample the UI bitmaps and repackage them. Some apps developers have chosen to do different apps but the bulk of the code is reusable.

All apps that are designed for the iPad and iPhone/iPod Touch had to be rewritten. This does not mean they had to rewrite all the code. that would also be silly. It also doesn’t mean they have to rewrite all the CocoaTouch elements, either. The tie ins would still be the same. But they did need to rewrite them for the new UI, and Apple made that easy with a new SDK designed to compile for both platforms.


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The Flash in the browser wasn't but it's got some powerful hardware. Dual Cortex A9 with 1GB RAM.

I personally don't like the small screens even though it has a similar resolution to the iPad.

If the iPad gets 1GB RAM and doesn’t get a display resolution increase I say the next iPhone will also get that much RAM. The difference between these other tablets and the iPad is they need more HW to do the same job. The PlayBook has Flash for a UI. Is it even HW accelerated on QNX? I’d think so but I haven’t been able to find out for certain.


Oh, and before the Retina Display on the iPad topic comes up again here is some hard facts that would need to be answered before he know if that is a real option. Here is what I posted on another site:

If you remember the iPhone 4 introduction, the justification for Retina Display was defined as 20/20 vision when held 10-12” from the eyes. To feasibly maintain this marketing term Apple only needs to justify that same 20/20 vision and a minimum distance you are expected to hold a tablet from your eyes.

They can make this up as they see fit, but they do have to be able to justify it or risk irrevocably weakening said marketing term. I’d say about 16"-22” seems about right for a tablet. Based on that criteria the PPI would need to be 156 to 191. Very doable since even 7” tablets are exceeding that lower measure.

  • 3438 * (1/16”) = 215 ppi
  • 3438 * (1/18") = 191 ppi
  • 3438 * (1/20") = 172 ppi
  • 3438 * (1/22") = 156 ppi
(Where 3438 is the scaling factor derived from a 1 arc minute visual acuity for 20/20 vision.)


Now that we have that squared away we can easily use a PPI calculator to see what difference displays would be. Here’s a simple site I like to use: http://thirdculture.com/joel/shumi/c...e/ppicalc.html
  • XGA: 1024 x 768 = 786,432 pixels = 132 ppi*
  • SXGA: 1280 x 960 = 1,228,800 pixels = 165 ppi*
  • SXGA+: 1400 × 1050 = 1,470,000 pixels = 180 ppi*
  • UXGA: 1600 × 1200 = 1,920,000 pixels = 206 ppi*
That’s a lot more pixels to render even going the minimum Retina Disaply classification outlined above based on about 22” away from eyes. Still, I think the SXGA+ is actually doable on the newer Imagination Tech GPUs. It’s almost 2x as many pixels of the current iPad, but Apple isn’t close to using the most powerful GPU they offer. Whether that is viable for power efficiency reasons, if they can even source these displays when the current IPS displays seem to be holding the iPad production up already, of it they need to wait a year (or more) for other reasons is obviously unknown.

PS: For comparison, the iPhone 4’s GPU is only pushing a 614,400 pixels.

* Assuming a 9.7” display.
Anyone who wants to figure out how much RAM is required for video can go right ahead.
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I thought the PlayBook’s speed and UI was pretty slick. How that relates to real world usability and longevity is another question.


Another aside... although I was not at CES, the info and 'idea' provided for the Motorola Atrix seems like an excellant idea. Ever since the iphone came out, kind of wondered why something like this was not done.

This has been talked about by various talking heads- 'One processor to serve them all(all needs).'


http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/m...er-look-video/
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There are apps across many different devices of all shapes and sizes and OSes that all do teh same thing. That doesnt make them all iPod Touches.

The bottom line is Apple rewrote the iOS for the iPad which is why its a success. They leveraged their iOS and CocoaTouch and made a brand new apps, UI, and an SDK to facilitate this usability. Just look back at last years SDK for the iPad, it wasnt compatible with the iPhone/iPod Touch version.

The difference between say, Mac OS X on a 11 MBA and Mac OS X on a 30 ACD is that the GUI is designed to be scalable. in iOS the GUI is not scalable because its also the primary way you input data. This means you cant simply shrink or expand elements on the display and have the interaction be the same. With a desktop OS you can adjust the windowing or pointer speed.

PS: Also note that even Google has said Android wont be ready for tablets until Honeycomb. The reason for this is stated above.

I don't understand, and now my head hurts. Maybe I should call the iPod Touch a Little iPad.
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