Apple's iPhone 4 coming to Verizon on Feb. 10 for $199 - Page 5

The reason VZ has been claiming they will not have network issue is the simple fact, No talk and data at the same time. Of course they will not have issue since you will be automatically limited on how much bandwidth any one person can consume.

In this case instead of people blaming AT&T for dropped calls because of the all be bandwidth usage of the iphone on their network.

The typical VZ customer will blame Apple for the poor experience people will have with the iphone on VZ network.

This is not going to be good for Apple, people are not going to understand the user experience is a VZ issue not an Apple issue.

If by imminent you mean like almost a half of year away, I guess that is imminent. That is a life time in technology years. Further, Apple's policy is clear. If it comes up with something new within ten days you are covered.

Further, old users will benefit from the software update. The only changes are likely going to be hardware specs (e.g. better processor, bigger storage, better camera).

That's.. the point I'm making.


How many people use this? Do you regularly put your phone on speaker so you can surf while talking? Come on.


It's funny how you think you can know this.

You lack any understand of Steve Job. He has made all annoucement as they relate to Apple, only time he did not make them is when he was sick, well he is not sick so allowing someone else taking the limelight says Steve does not see this as any value to Apple.

If you saw what happen today, the markets ran up this morning and tanked after the market digressed the announcement, so Apple is down in an up market not normal for Apple.

Honestly, If Steve thought this was strategic move and valuable move the announce would have occurred in CA and Steve would have made the announce and explained why this was important to apple and then introduced VZ's CEO and let him explain the value to VZ customers, that did not happen.

All this tells me is Apple is not standing solidly behind this at this time at least. It like when Motorola announce the ROKR with Itunes, Steve was no where near that announcement and it failed. There are others things like this and when Steve distance himself, it means he not supporting it.

Oh shit! That means that every other carrier in the world needs to watch their backs! Steve doesn't support them and that means they will fail!!!

You know every other carrier brought the iPhone on board without a Steve-note, right? This is a Verizon annoucement because it is a Verizon event. The iPhone 4 isn't new. Today's phone is just an iPhone 4 (albeit with CDMA), so what exactly to you believe Jobs would have announced? It isn't a major issue for Apple, from a product line up. It is HUGE for them in terms of market, that why Cook even bothered to show up.

People read funny things into anything, sometimes.

If the phone call is long enough and you don't know where you are going, you'll be lost anyway.....

Actually, I see many people do this, my wife does it all the time, she will be talking to someone an pull up a web app or Safari and look something online while talking to them. I have An Droid phone on a GSM network and I do the same thing from time to time, especially work related discussion.

This is actually the number one reason I like this phones, when I traveling or even sitting at home and get a call about work I do not have to start up my laptop open email or a web page while talking to someone, I just open them on the phone can deal with it immediately.

As someone already said he, you will not know how much you miss it when it does not work. I know since from time to time I been in the wilderness had phone service no data and could not stand I could not talk to someone and check my email.

Yes I do believe VZ customer will blame Apple, because if you ever go into a VZ store and listen to their support and sales people they always blame the phones even if it not the phones problem. I hear them bad mouth the phones all the time, and I been in there with family members listen them make stuff up and when challenge on by me since I am an engineer and know how this stuff works the keep trying to convince me that the phone is the issue and they will go in the back room and update the firmware to fix the problem.... Like to see them pull this with Apple.

This is a GIANT FAIL.

scheeeesh, but Apple can't avail the iPhone to T-Mobile ~
which runs on the same type of network as AT&T
incredibly disappointing... \

So... If they buy this phone ... It will quit working in July ???

Do you really think 99% of the people even CARE about the upgrade cycle? They can buy the phone on day one and easily expect to get 3-4 years of use out of it, regardless of when the next great thing is or isn't released.

Actaully, if you go back in time you will see that Apple and Steve made the announcement at one of their event they added more countries and carriers especially the important ones. Only when the list got long in the tooth did it come out in a press release. VZ is largest carrier in the world do you think this is of strategic importance, if not why is Steve hosting a Media event with Rupert Murdock next week to announce a deal with the largest publisher in the world, that a strategic event.

If this was as important to Steve as it was to VZ he would have been there just like he is doing next week. But as you can see Murdock and his deal is far more important to Apple's business than VZ getting a substandard iphone.

Many do... Though we often use a headset rather than speakerphone... But both methods work.
Not just surfing... While talking on the phone, perhaps you need to reference an email or site that is relevant to the conversation... Look up a schedule or location to arrange a meet... Or just surf because the conversation you're having is inane. (Like reading a post by Tallest Skil )

Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of posters here just WANT to have an enemy to attack. It's it's not Microsoft or Google, it's gotta be Verizon.

I'm just glad that Americans now have a choice of what carrier to go to, and they can weigh the pros/cons of going with either carrier.

Apple obviously isn't getting into a hissy fit over Verizon carrying the iPhone, so why are people in here getting all butthurt over the move? If it makes financial sense for Apple, and customers are winning out in the end, what is there to argue about?

No, this happens after every single Apple product launch ever. Buy on rumors, sell on news. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.


It already works on T-Mobile.

Cute.
http://developer.wolframalpha.com/wi...ebbf6896f0e33e

Apparently that's exactly what they did, considering the exclusivity agreement with AT&T was for 5 years beginning in 2007.

They aren't the biggest in the world. They are the biggest in the US. It is just another carrier, so Steve isn't there. Not sure how you then make the leap to believe it has no importance to Jobs.

The Media event with Murdock is likely for a whole new category, likely subscriptions in the iBook store. As in new category. iPhone 4 on CDMA is not a new phone.

Another point, why have mobile hotspot to hook up your laptop to the wifi connect only to have it go dead while you talk, and oh BTW it kills those 5 other connected devices at the same time as well.

You may be right that VZ customer may not care, since most power users and people who have used these kinds of features tend to be on other networks. Most VZ customers I encounter are the "ordinary joe" who mostly talk on their phones, and maybe texts but rarely do a phone call and have the phone hooked to a internet device like a smart phone or computer.

This is also why VZ will not allow computer tethering to the phone, they want you to buy and pay $70 a month for a WLAN card for your computer so you can talk on the phone and use data on the WLAN card. So they can charge you twice for data.

We have no knowledge of what the agreement is. We dont even know if the AT&T contract is completed. All we know any part of the contract that disallowed additional US carriers will have been completed by February 10th. Thats it! Nothing else can be stated with any certainty. For all we know AT&T could still have an exclusivity for new iPhones by x-months for x-years giving Verizon the new models mid-cycle like their iPhone 4 release. These agreements are usually very complex.

It was important enough for Apple to highlight the feature in their own TV commericals. Along with copy and paste. I mean, who really cares about that? Obviously, those features were implemented for the sole reason of shutting up whiners and complainers. Also, nobody cares about third party applications on iPhone. Web apps are really SWEET.

To use your logic, subscription and print media is not new with apple, that announce has already been made, it just another print media that could be added.

You could be right on a new category, knowing Murdocks background there could be another category coming out of next weeks announcement. But again this backs my statement VZ is not strategic and Cook said it, the only purpose was to get a phone in VZ hands now verse waiting. VZ need this more than Apple.

You have points? Imagine that, the iPhone came to Verizon and sprockkets had points, all on the same day. Can you tell us the temperature in Hell, while you're there?

lte - 4g

Wasn't there an addendum to CDMA to offer data and voice at the same time?


True, but I would expect to see TV & other media ads for this soon, so that's not a show stopper.


Wow, that's just self-inflicted. They'll still get the device they paid for, but just a couple month's worth of patience probably meant getting more for the same money.

That's not relevant. It is data use that hurt AT&T's network, not data use while phone calls were active. As for bandwidth limitations, Verizon is offering the iPhone with unlimited bandwidth, initially, so any data-hungry consumers will have every opportunity to do their part.


Typical consumers, focusing their time on other events than understanding the technical background behind their wireless service and mobile phones, do not necessarily understand that their iPhone's poor performance may be due to AT&T (or Verizon going forward). If any significant number of them do understand this, it is not because they understand the technical background, but rather because AT&T has received a lot of bad publicity for its network.


Well, except for every other mobile carrier announcement (except those discussed during major keynotes). And as an aside, observing the simple truth that Steve Jobs is present for every Apple keynote for which his health has been good enough to make an appearance does not make you some kind of expert on Steve Jobs. He rarely ever appears for other company announcements regarding Apple products.


Please don't try to describe something which you do not understand. It does a disservice to others who might be trying to learn from a discussion. As of this writing the Nasdaq (the relevant category of the market) is up 0.07%. The Dow is up 0.11%. These changes are not particularly significant to the market—it is not an 'up' market in any statistically meaningful interpretation of the word. AAPL is down 0.60% ($2.27; not 'tanked', by the way) after ramping up significantly (especially in recent days) as it became expected that this would be the iPhone announcement. AAPL kept nearly all of those gains in market which hasn't changed significantly.

I hope you don't have much invested in the stock market—for your sake.


No need to write a response to this when John Gruber has explained it with exceptional clarity.


And no point in discussing your argument at this point because it is based on some extremely broken and inaccurate reasoning. And more to the point, it should be pretty obvious to anyone who has paid attention to this product that it is going to sell millions. After all, why should we expect Verizon customers to be less interested in the iPhone than AT&T customers?


See above.

Edit: though this does to some extent explain some of today's reduction. People hear about the Verizon announcement and buy to enjoy the ramp up, then sell after/during the announcement, knowing that it will stabilize. They get to take their profits. It just so happens that, this time around, AAPL got to keep a lot of those gains.

You should be able to text while talking on a Verizon iPhone. Texting does not use the data connection.

http://wirelesssupport.verizon.com/f...html?t=5#item8

Thought I'd jump in here to point out to people who are kevetching about lack of talk and simultaneous data on Verizon- you can stay on AT&T.

To those of you who think this will have an effect on sales : the millions of existing customers of Verizon clearly don't care about this utterly obscure feature.

Actually that's the decision maker for me with my teams phones. I'd like to move some of my team off AT&T and onto Verizon (and would base that decision on which has the best signal strength at each team members home location), but they do remote support and need to be able to get e-mails during calls all the time.

I was hoping Apple might insist on Verizon making this possible as a requirement for getting iPhone (like I believe they insisted on AT&T doing visual voicemail). Maybe this is actually a fundamental limitation of CDMA technology, does anyone know?

I wouldn't call it an, "utterly obscure feature," but I have no doubt Verizon will sell millions of iPhones even without it.

However, for those who are used to it, giving it up would be hard.

It is only an obscure feature for those that don't have it. I absolutely use it all the time, to the point of not even thinking of it as a feature.

The sound quality will inherently be better on CDMA and the antenna issue solved but, as stated, features will be lost.
Also you can't please everybody all the time and nothing is perfect.

STOP. SPREADING. FUD.

If you're downloading something, the call goes to voicemail. If you're connected but not active on the data network, it goes to the call.

I don't know if that sounds any better. If you are sharing your connection, let's say you have you and your friend's laptops tethered at a coffee shop without wifi, and a call comes in. Then you either miss this call (goes to VM) or you receive the call if you both weren't accessing data at that moment and you are then both cut off from browsing while you talk on the phone. Or if you are on a business call and need to look something up on your laptop, you can't.

A friend of mine does IT work for a bank and does some on call work on weekends. There have been times when we are at a pub and he gets a call. He simply goes to his car while continuing the call, fires up his laptop and VPN's into his corporate network to work while on the call. Again, this would be a non-starter for him.

Not saying this is a critical feature, but it certainly is a useful one. I would be wary of giving it up. It'll obviously come down to an individual's needs, but it is unfortunate one has to trade off features like this in order to move to Verizon.

Couched in those terms, current VZW customers obviously won't notice this feature missing. They are, after all, already living with this limitation and have chosen VZW for other considerations besides concurrent data+voice. There are definitely millions of handsets in play within their network, and Apple will sell lots of iPhones to those customers.

On the other hand, that limitation may blunt VZW's efforts to attract AT&T's iPhone users. But I think it will come down to how the pricing plans work out and whether AT&T's service is adequate where you live/work.

SO obscure that most GSM users dont know about it, and have never used it. So unimportant that no analyst has ever discussed as an advantage of either AT&T and the iPhone, so uninviting that there been no rush of Android users to AT&T in the last few months, so unknown that Verizon sells millions of Android ( and other smartphones) regardless of this restriction.

Never felt the need to tweet while talking myself, I hold the phone to my ear - like most people ( earphones exist i know but I rarely see them in practice).

As for the tiny market who see this feature as essential - it still exists but you need to stay on the AT&T network. You are where you were yesterday.

Since you bought an iPhone and are already on the AT&T network that is not much of a challenge.

This announcement is for people who want an iPhone on a carrier which has greater reach, and better coverage. They may have Android phones on Verizon but will move to the iPhone when available, or are waiting for the iPhone on Verizon and staying with a non-smartphone for now, or have the iPhone on AT&T and are not happy with the coverage. That group ( as analysts have pointed out)runs to the millions.

Your statistically unimportant selves dont matter so much,

A hidden part of the new Verizon-Apple deal is that Verizon has to stop disparaging the iPhone in their Droid advertising.

Wow, someone took their arrogance pills today.

Anyway, again, just because you and other use your smartphones the way others used their dumb phones in the 90s is no reason to claim it is obscure. Obviously there are millions of people that don't care whatsoever. There are even more that have never used or owned a smartphone. What sad logic says that makes smartphones 'obscure'.

Even before Apple implemented 'multitasking' in iOS, one always had the ability to continue to browse or use data while on a call. It was there before copy and paste. It was there before tethering. It was there before MMS. It was there because it was considered an important ability to include. It was so obscure that Apple felt the need to promote it as an important feature in two ads. So obscure that of a small handful of questions at the Verizon event, it was one of the questions. So obscure that probably millions of people use it everyday without thinking about it.

You say most GSM user don't know about it. Have you conducted a poll? I'd love to see your results. If you haven't and are planning to, perhaps I could suggest a couple questions for you to include: "Have you ever, while walking, chewed gum at the same time? Is this an important feature? Have you ever, while talking on your cell phone, used the internet?"

My 70 year father looks things up on his iPhone 4 while talking on the phone. I am sorry your circle is less capable or inclined.

Finally a choice. The 5G iPhone will probably support LTE when it comes out. Way to go Apple and Verizon!

If it's such an oft-used feature or one that was so important, Verizon wouldn't be the largest network in America and there wouldn't be so many "relatively" happy Android users on the network.

Let's face it: AT&T has its pluses (voice/3G data at the same time, data download speeds, rollover minutes). Verizon has its pluses (more reliable network, broader 3G coverage, 5-device mobile hotspot for iPhone, Facetime over 3G [according to Boy Genius Report], better coverage in large cities).

Pick whichever is more suitable for your needs. Neither carrier is perfect and there's no reason to act like one is.

Data is mostly bursty in nature --- which means that you are probably going to hear the phone ring. Millions of Droid users on Verizon and we never get to hear complaining --- even though Droid users download more data than iphone users.

When the iphone 4 comes up on Verizon next month, you are not going to hear much complaining on that either.