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With Verizon announcing plans to offer its iPhone 4 customers the option to tether several devices to the handset's 3G connection over Wi-Fi, rival AT&T is remaining mum on whether it plans to match that offer for its own iPhone customers.

As part of its iPhone announcement Tuesday, Verizon said that each iPhone 4 for its network will come bundled with a free 3G Mobile Hotspot app for tethering the handset's data connection over Wi-Fi to up to 5 devices, such as notebooks, iPads, iPods and other mobile devices.

Upon closer inspection following the announcement, it appears that the Hotspot app is actually a native component built into the yet-to-be-released iOS version 4.2.5, which was running on the CDMA iPhone 4 handsets present at Verizon's presentation Tuesday.

Verizon is likely to charge a standard monthly fee for the actual tethering service, though pricing details were note made available as part of Tuesday's announcements.

Nevertheless, the offer promises more flexibility than AT&T's existing tethering option for iPhone customers, which offers tethering only via Bluetooth or USB for $20 per month. That means AT&T iPhone users can't have their iPad (and most other devices outside of Macs and PCs) piggyback on their handset's data connection.

When asked by AppleInsider whether it has any plans to turn around and match Verizon's WiFi tethering, AT&T wouldn't confirm or deny a move in either direction.

"As you can appreciate, I am not going to speculate on what we might or might not do in the future," said AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel. "For iPhone users who want the fastest speeds, the ability to talk and use apps at the same
time, and unsurpassed global coverage, the only choice is AT&T."

Apple's CDMA iPhone runs iOS 4.2.5 with a built in Hotspot setting | Source: ArsTechnica

Recently, AT&T has been unwilling to be upstaged by its largest rival. For instance, it took the carrier only a matter of hours last January to match a $30 reduction on its iPhone unlimited voice plan after Verizon announced the cut for its own mobile customers.

The big question for AT&T this time around is whether its already overburdened 3G network has the capacity to keep pace Verizon when it comes to unlocking larger pockets of bandwidth for its customers.
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AT&T has nothing to gain from doing this because it will cannabalize their DSL market. This technology will allow Verizon and other companies to go into competition for Home Networks especially since 4G will eventually be faster than DSL and Cable data connections.
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AT&T has nothing to gain from doing this because it will cannabalize their DSL market. This technology will allow Verizon and other companies to go into competition for Home Networks especially since 4G will eventually be faster than DSL and Cable data connections.

You do realize that Verizon has FiOS, right?
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ATT has always given me good service.
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You do realize that Verizon has FiOS, right?

There is no new groundwork for laying down fiber optics. It's a dead technology. It just costs too much money to maintain. Verizon can catchup with AT&T without having to lay down new cables while AT&T is stuck with their large network (which they may be in charge of their removal as well). You realize in the near future they will go up against other companies such as DishTV, Viacom and Cox for those same customers? Also, why do you need cable t.v. if you can stream HBO/Showtime from your Mifi or phone with WiFi/DLNA?
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There is no new groundwork for laying down fiber optics. It's a dead technology. It just costs too much money to maintain. Verizon can catchup with AT&T without having to lay down new cables while AT&T is stuck with their large network (which they may be in charge of their removal as well).

Fiber optics is a dead technology and old copper isn't? I agree that fiber is too expensive to maintain, at least right now, but I wouldn't exactly classify it as a dead technology.
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They will wait until Verizon's data plan pricing is revealed.

Hot Spot tethering is not free, mind you! That service is costly. And someone (users) has to pay for it.
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I really hope AT&T allows tethering over WiFi so I can use my iPad when travelling, although I could definitely see that hurting iPad 3G sales.

I'll say though, I will often check Google Maps or an internet site when I'm talking with someone, but since I don't travel but 2 or 3 times a year, I hardly ever have a need to tether my phone. In this case AT&T is a clear winner for me.
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Originally Posted by phoebetech View Post

AT&T has nothing to gain from doing this because it will cannabalize their DSL market. This technology will allow Verizon and other companies to go into competition for Home Networks especially since 4G will eventually be faster than DSL and Cable data connections.

tethering is for when you are away from home or traveling, not to replace DSL at home. The data caps become a problem if you try to use it at home. I just upgraded my iPad to an iPad 3G, something i wouldn't have to do if my iPhone worked as a hot spot. I got this for when I'm away from home but not traveling (i.e. at an appointment, riding in the car, etc.), I have a myfi for when I travel. The hotspot feature could replace two data plans and could make it cost effective to pay an early termination fee. I'm going to give AT&T until my myfi subscription expires to offer this.
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I just read the Verizon published FAQ's and at first glance, there seems to be more "Yes's" than "No, you can'ts."

Proof will be in how Verizon prices the plans compared with ATT. Hopefully, they will be aggressive and force ATT to reduce prices to match Verizon...but I'm not holding my breath on this one!
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I don't especially like Verizon but if they price WiFi bridging right I will move to Verizon come Feb. Tethering would be acceptable but sadly AT&T wants to charge $20 for nothing. That is no extra data just the privilege of tethering. We all know what sort of "joke" that is (quoted joke because it is nicer than using the proper word)

So AT&T step up to the plate and convince me that there is a reason to stay with your service. Don't go on about how great your system is because honestly you have been better in most regards than Verizon locally. It is just the fact that charging $20 for nothing isnt acceptable. 3 years ago when I switched to AT&T I was actually very displeased with Verizon for numerous reasons so understand I really don't want to go back.
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Fiber optics is a dead technology and old copper isn't? I agree that fiber is too expensive to maintain, at least right now, but I wouldn't exactly classify it as a dead technology.

Off topic: Speaking of fiber optics and cooper the first LightPeak systems will probably be all cooper. They will offer the same protocol-independent features, but be slower than fiber, though faster than USB. This would be a bad way to transition to this tech, but I hope they use the USB-A port interface to make it backwards compatible.
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There is no new groundwork for laying down fiber optics. It's a dead technology. It just costs too much money to maintain. Verizon can catchup with AT&T without having to lay down new cables while AT&T is stuck with their large network (which they may be in charge of their removal as well). You realize in the near future they will go up against other companies such as DishTV, Viacom and Cox for those same customers? Also, why do you need cable t.v. if you can stream HBO/Showtime from your Mifi or phone with WiFi/DLNA?

because with CDMA you can't stream in HD and the way cable sends the signal is more efficient than TCP/IP streaming.

verizon is laying FIOS all over NYC now. it's a huge cost savings for them since they dump their old legacy phone system in the process

nice thing about fiber is you can change out your switches and double or triple your bandwidth
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Off topic: Speaking of fiber optics and cooper the first LightPeak systems will probably be all cooper. They will offer the same protocol-independent features, but be slower than fiber, though faster than USB. This would be a bad way to transition to this tech, but I hope they use the USB-A port interface to make it backwards compatible.

I thought LP was for peripherals i.e a replacement for USB and or FW, are you saying it is also a protocol for internet connectivity from ISPs to clients? Or am I reading the wrong thing into what you are meaning as it is off topic as you say.
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I just read the Verizon published FAQ's and at first glance, there seems to be more "Yes's" than "No, you can'ts."

Proof will be in how Verizon prices the plans compared with ATT. Hopefully, they will be aggressive and force ATT to reduce prices to match Verizon...but I'm not holding my breath on this one!

The more I think about the pricing, shouldn't Verizon charge less than AT&T given you get less, i.e. no concurrent voice / data.
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There is no new groundwork for laying down fiber optics. It's a dead technology. It just costs too much money to maintain.

It is down right stupid to expect every household to connect to the Internet with some sort of RF connection. There simply isn't enough spectrum available no matter how much the cell phone companies can steal from other users.
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Verizon can catchup with AT&T without having to lay down new cables while AT&T is stuck with their large network (which they may be in charge of their removal as well).

You must ascribe to the rantings of the global warming crowd too. Explain to me how you can cover every user in a dense neighborhood with RF technology. Especially if every user wants to stream from his one preferred source at 8:00PM.
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You realize in the near future they will go up against other companies such as DishTV, Viacom and Cox for those same customers? Also, why do you need cable t.v. if you can stream HBO/Showtime from your Mifi or phone with WiFi/DLNA?

Simply because if you take everybody off Cable or DSL you then have to accomodate that bandwidth on the available RF spectrum. The cell companies are already complaining about the need for more bandwidth and there is only so much they can steal from other users. Beyound that cable broadcasts don't load the internet as the "channels" can be picked up by many users at the same time. Go to a system where everything is done with Internet protocols and everybody streaming their own content, will result in a ballooning of bandwidth demand.

There is no magic here to sugar coat the real problems with these pipe dreams.
post #17 of 33
! would love to completely "cut the cord" from my cable company. I already have cancelled my CableTV but need Internet service. Are we getting close where you can just have your ATT iPhone 4 "tether" your wifi iPad, an MBA, iMac and ATV for less than my cable bill of $30/mo.

If I walk out the door with my iPhone 4, Wifi iPad, and MBA....I take my internet with me! Pretty cool.

I hope this happens. I hate cable companies with their monopolies, high prices, fatuous commercials and clunky boxes/remotes/interfaces!

I recently bought the TomTom App because I was so unimpressed with the stand alone GPS unit's design and clunky interfaces. Their mounts have suction cups the size of a cheeseburger stuck on your windshield! Ugggh!


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post #18 of 33
Although I don't see myself switching to Verizon for foreseeable future, I love the competition. AT&T will have to respond somehow, either with better plans, better infrastructure, or most likely, both.

If you are an AT&T user considering a switch, first check to see if Verizon does indeed offer better service in your area. One of the more reliable sources (other than talking to neighbors and coworkers) is: RootMetrics
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There is no magic here to sugar coat the real problems with these pipe dreams.

I like the way you did that.
post #20 of 33
Even if AT&T may have reasons to limit or charge for tethering computers, AT&T should allow iPhone customers free MiFi access for their iPads and iPod touches...
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If I tether and download few gigabyte file, I can't receive any calls while that download is taking place ?? That's scary.
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If I tether and download few gigabyte file, I can't receive any calls while that download is taking place ?? That's scary.

It would depend on the set up, many downloads will continue after a call some won't.
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I hope the tethering option becomes more competitive. I don't watch movies on my phone and wouldn't with a tethered laptop ... in fact I'm perfectly happy with AT&T's 200MB data plan. But I do want to connect my laptop to my iPhone to write email and do some programming with a full screen and keyboard. For me to upgrade to tethering now would cost, what, $45? $20 for the data plan upgrade and $25 for tethering? Not worth it...
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There is no new groundwork for laying down fiber optics. It's a dead technology. It just costs too much money to maintain. Verizon can catchup with AT&T without having to lay down new cables while AT&T is stuck with their large network (which they may be in charge of their removal as well). You realize in the near future they will go up against other companies such as DishTV, Viacom and Cox for those same customers? Also, why do you need cable t.v. if you can stream HBO/Showtime from your Mifi or phone with WiFi/DLNA?

You are not living in reality.

My FIOS connection has been rock solid for two years now. Maybe there was a short outage once.

Counting on 3g or 4g for connectivity? Its down or unavailable often, no matter who provides it.

Fiber optic is superior technology for internet connectivity. Speed is one thing, and nothing can touch it, but to me the reliability is the most important factor and it beats hands down as well.

Stream TV for six months over wireless and tell me how many times it does not work. My FIOS for television has also been perfect over a two year period.
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It would depend on the set up, many downloads will continue after a call some won't.

I certainly hope VZW/Apple figure this out.. any hiccups in this launch and most likely apple will get the blame.
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I certainly hope VZW/Apple figure this out.. any hiccups in this launch and most likely apple will get the blame.

I suspect it's a non issue. Most will be downloading apps and I can bet that they will continue without a hiccup after a call. If it is a big deal to anyone go to AT&T, we have choices ppl
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You are not living in reality.

My FIOS connection has been rock solid for two years now. Maybe there was a short outage once.

Counting on 3g or 4g for connectivity? Its down or unavailable often, no matter who provides it.

Fiber optic is superior technology for internet connectivity. Speed is one thing, and nothing can touch it, but to me the reliability is the most important factor and it beats hands down as well.

Stream TV for six months over wireless and tell me how many times it does not work. My FIOS for television has also been perfect over a two year period.

Did I say the technology was ready now? Many fanboys are so short-sited and never one-step ahead..I guess it's a generational difference.
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You are not living in reality.

My FIOS connection has been rock solid for two years now. Maybe there was a short outage once.

Counting on 3g or 4g for connectivity? Its down or unavailable often, no matter who provides it.

Fiber optic is superior technology for internet connectivity. Speed is one thing, and nothing can touch it, but to me the reliability is the most important factor and it beats hands down as well.

Stream TV for six months over wireless and tell me how many times it does not work. My FIOS for television has also been perfect over a two year period.

I agree on all you say about FiOs, we had it from the day it was available and it has been flawless. I even get more than I pay for on the speed front, I am on a 25 / 25 plan and see 33/30 most times. TV is perfect too.
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The more I think about the pricing, shouldn't Verizon charge less than AT&T given you get less, i.e. no concurrent voice / data.

Nah. You dont get that feature but you do get other features. To you and I SV&D is important, but to others it may not be, especially if theyve been using Sprint of Verizon for years. Plus, the Hot Spot feature, especially if free, is kind of cool. Most importantly is likely the idea that Verizons network is more stable.

I have new questions

Who is doing the repairs?
Will dialing 611 give you the option to choose Verizon for accounts and Apples US call center for technical support?

PS:
I've got some more detail on the difference in antenna design on this new iPhone. As you can see from the pictures below, the good ol' death grip still attenuates signal strength on Verizon. Held normally I was getting a reading of -65 dBm on the Verizon iPhone, but in full on death grip the signal strength dropped to -83 dBm. That's in line with what we've seen on AT&T.
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Nah. You dont get that feature but you do get other features. To you and I SV&D is important, but to others it may not be, especially if theyve been using Sprint of Verizon for years. Plus, the Hot Spot feature, especially if free, is kind of cool. Most importantly is likely the idea that Verizons network is more stable.

I have new questions

Who is doing the repairs?
Will dialing 611 give you the option to choose Verizon for accounts and Apples US call center for technical support?

PS:
I've got some more detail on the difference in antenna design on this new iPhone. As you can see from the pictures below, the good ol' death grip still attenuates signal strength on Verizon. Held normally I was getting a reading of -65 dBm on the Verizon iPhone, but in full on death grip the signal strength dropped to -83 dBm. That's in line with what we've seen on AT&T.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4125/u...4-announcement

Oh no! The Android and BB rumor mill will be gearing up for a rerun...
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PS:
I've got some more detail on the difference in antenna design on this new iPhone. As you can see from the pictures below, the good ol' death grip still attenuates signal strength on Verizon. Held normally I was getting a reading of -65 dBm on the Verizon iPhone, but in full on death grip the signal strength dropped to -83 dBm. That's in line with what we've seen on AT&T.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4125/u...4-announcement


The connection speed tests I assume show what BB and Android users live with, sure is interesting to be able to compare apples to apples, err I mean apples to androids at last.
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post #32 of 33
Apple is slipping on their UI. The WiFi icon is not aligned with the top of the text to its right ("To..."), although the Bluetooth icon is.

What's going on, Infinite Loop?
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I have new questions

Who is doing the repairs?
Will dialing 611 give you the option to choose Verizon for accounts and Apples US call center for technical support?


I am wondering the same. The Verizon FAQ seems to imply that Verizon is support contact:
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Who do I call for support or general questions?

Verizon Wireless customers with general support questions can contact customer service by dialing *611 from your cell phone, or (800) 922-0204 from a landline, Monday-Sunday 6am-11pm.
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