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There is one side of the political spectrum that has been systematically engaging in hate and this nice link to Michelle Malkin documents the last ten years of it.

But sicker and more pathological than that is when the left hypocritically claims to desire to prevent such actions when they cynically and expertly manipulate them for political gain. I say cynical because polls like this one from CBSnews, a liberal boat anchor of support for leftism, show that the majority won't buy that lie.

Why would someone repeat a lie, even a lie that the majority knows is a lie, repeatedly with no foundation, support and with no attempt to deal with reality or facts?

It is because Democratic Media operatives and party officials are the most profoundly partisan and pathological people out there. They aren't far from the shooter themselves in that they think their lucid dreaming and mantras can replace reality. A stimulus that increases the unemployment rate, a health care plan that will add trillions to the debt, fiscal conservatism and paygo that really means almost five trillion in debt added to the national deficit since they took power in 2006. They will repeat the lies because they believe the people are unthinking and will buy them. They think they are sheep. They think they are idiots. They think that repetition of a lie will make it a fact to these unthinking and uncritical sheep.

This is why when they lose, they get so upset and their conclusions about why they have lost reflect the belief that someone has simply manipulated, lied and distorted reality better than they have. The conclusions are never that their policies and the actions that came about from them were ineffective and rejected.

It is the exact same paranoid and delusional ravings and insane sort of if-then bad reasoning we read from the shooter himself. If Sarah Palin has a target and if someone shoots a gun, then Sarah Palin enabled the trigger to be pulled on that gun.

It is irrational and insane hate. It should be rebuked and most of all should be feared. Irrational claims made against parties who are not involved, dismissals that the parties who refuse to bend to the insanity are stupid, and finally a willingness to delegitimize or harm the rational and reality connected parties are exactly what this mad man shooter and the Democrats themselves are all engaging in. Ten years of documented violence, threats and slurs show that far from being the exception, for Democrats this is becoming the rule. Much like the shooter, they have lost within the realm of competitive ideas and rather than examine and reflect on this fact, they blame others and isolate themselves, all while plotting how to remove the barriers that prevent their lucid dreaming utopia from becoming the reality they imagine it can be.

Prayers for Gabrielle Giffords and for those killed or harmed and their families, because those who have attempted to exploit this for politican haven't bothered to say nor care about such things. They are standing on dead children to achieve their political aims and it is insane and sick.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #2 of 20
Rush said it better-

""What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that...the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim. He's the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America...this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser.""
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_807543.html
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

Rush said it better-

""What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that...the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim. He's the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America...this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser.""
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_807543.html

Perhaps he did say it better but since he gets to say it more often and to more people, that isn't hard to understand. The reality is clear though. There is a thread here and dozens of easy links to find where Democratic talking heads and leaders point the finger at conservative leaders and the tea party but no fingers at Mr. Loughner.

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post #4 of 20
This sums it up nicely.


The Authoritarian Media
The New York Times has crossed a moral line.

which links to

Hypocrisy Unending

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Assassination? Allow me to excerpt a couple of paragraphs from my piece:

Even before Bush was elected president, the kill-Bush talk and imagery started. When Governor Bush was delivering his 2000 convention speech, Craig Kilborn, a CBS talk-show host, showed him on the screen with the words SNIPERS WANTED. Six years later, Bill Maher, the comedian-pundit, was having a conversation with John Kerry. He asked the senator what he had gotten his wife for her birthday. Kerry answered that he had taken her to Vermont. Maher said, You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone. (New Hampshire is an early primary state, of course.) Kerry said, Or I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone. (This is the same Kerry who joked in 1988, Somebody told me the other day that the Secret Service has orders that if George Bush is shot, theyre to shoot Quayle.) Also in 2006, the New York comptroller, Alan Hevesi, spoke to graduating students at Queens College. He said that his fellow Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer, would put a bullet between the presidents eyes if he could get away with it.

Ho hum. Back to the "progressive" echo chamber.
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So if Sarah's crosshairs are so insignificant why did one of here aides try to pretend it wasn't crosshairs but merely marker points on a map?
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post #6 of 20
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This does as well and good find there FJ!

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The left is now the Loughner Left.

Jared Loughner is crazy, mentally deranged in a horribly destructive and evil way. So is Keith Olberman, Markos Moulitsas, Paul Krugman, the editors of the New York Times - the entire Enemedia is just as nuts as this Arizona madman. We've always suspected as much, but their clinically around-the-bend fascist politicalization of the Arizona Massacre is final confirming proof.

The Enemedia is populated by fascist madmen who don't just want to murder a handful of random people - they want to murder America. They want to impoverish and enslave all 310 million of us. Or put us in jail if we have the temerity to disagree with them.

And yes they use guns. The purpose of their lives is to use government guns - real actual guns with bullets aimed at us by government goons with orders to shoot to kill if we don't obey. Conservatives are the true advocates of gun control in America - control of government guns ruling our lives.

There is no depth of depravity to which they will not sink in order to achieve their fascist goals. We always suspected as much, and now, with their claim that "Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' blood is on Sarah Palin's hands" we know for sure and certain.

The man who made this claim, Michael Daly of the New York Daily News, is a mentally sick man, just as sick, just as deranged, just as hatefully unhinged from reality as Jared Loughner. But no more so than other members of the Loughner Left, whose derangement is simply more disguised and slightly more subtle.

It is not enough to point out and itemize, as Michelle Malkin has so ably done, the bottomless hypocrisy of the Loughner Left. This is not news, hypocrisy is their middle name and no shame to them.

That's because like all sociopaths, they have no morality, no honesty, no sense of shame or guilt, no decency, no sense of fairness or fair play. What moral code they do possess is straight Marxist-Leninist: the ends justify the means.

It couldn't be more perfectly said or titled. The Loughner Left are those who are attempting to link and exploit this suffering for political gain and it is sad and terrifying at the same time.

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So if Sarah's crosshairs are so insignificant why did one of here aides try to pretend it wasn't crosshairs but merely marker points on a map?

Probably because they are and sad attempts to use lucid dreaming or insane reasoning to link the two doesn't change that point.

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The verdict: Rarely in American political discourse has there been a charge so reckless, so scurrilous and so unsupported by evidence.

As killers go, Jared Loughner is not reticent. Yet among all his writings, postings, videos and other ravings - and in all the testimony from all the people who knew him - there is not a single reference to any of these supposed accessories to murder.

Not only is there no evidence that Loughner was impelled to violence by any of those upon whom Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, the New York Times, the Tucson sheriff and other rabid partisans are fixated. There is no evidence that he was responding to anything, political or otherwise, outside of his own head.

It's sad when crazy leftists demand people respond to their baseless charges that have no connection to reality.

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Finally, the charge that the metaphors used by Palin and others were inciting violence is ridiculous. Everyone uses warlike metaphors in describing politics. When Barack Obama said at a 2008 fundraiser in Philadelphia, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," he was hardly inciting violence.

Why? Because fighting and warfare are the most routine of political metaphors. And for obvious reasons. Historically speaking, all democratic politics is a sublimation of the ancient route to power - military conquest. That's why the language persists. That's why we say without any self-consciousness such things as "battleground states" or "targeting" opponents. Indeed, the very word for an electoral contest - "campaign" - is an appropriation from warfare.

It isn't hard to understand for the sane.

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The origins of Loughner's delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman's?

Also what are the origins of those who would buy into or repeat these insane claims?

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

Rush said it better-

""What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that...the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim. He's the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America...this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser.""
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_807543.html

Are you saying the Democrats are behind this tyrannical crime with this imbecile Loughner as their pawn? Are you insane???
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Giffords Reads First Amendment

The irony should be killing some of you right now. Those calling for speech limitations or condemning free speech are hypocrits of the highest order.

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Are you saying the Democrats are behind this tyrannical crime with this imbecile Loughner as their pawn? Are you insane???

No, not at all. It's right up there with Palin's "Pallin around with Terrorists" rhetoric. It was one of the most vile things I think I've heard any one say in the media ever. I posted it as Trumptman clearly wouldn't argue against it to show how hell bent on defending Sarah Palin he is.

He can't see that Gifford was very concerned about the crosshairs. He thinks it's comparable to the use of "battleground states" or "target". Gifford and nobody else that I'm aware of would hold such a view. She wouldn't have expressed a concern about that, but crosshairs on her clearly crossed the line. The repubs are trying to blur that line and it's really shocking given the nature of what's just happened.
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That's because like all sociopaths, they have no morality, no honesty, no sense of shame or guilt, no decency, no sense of fairness or fair play. What moral code they do possess is straight Marxist-Leninist: the ends justify the means.

Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility

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"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

How can someone ignore such profound hypocrisy by themselves? It's easy when you are a sociopath.

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How can someone ignore such profound hypocrisy by themselves? It's easy when you are a sociopath.

I wonder if you know what a Sociopath is or if you are just flinging the term around? Perhaps one of your role-models or authority figures uses it a lot and so you adopt it.

This statement:

like all sociopaths, they have no morality, no honesty, no sense of shame or guilt, no decency, no sense of fairness or fair play.

Is patently false.

Those are characteristics of Psychopathy but the two things are very different.

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David T. Lykken proposes psychopathy and sociopathy are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality disorder. He believes psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms.

On the other hand, he claims sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. Both personality disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental

This next one is also false and most likely a lie:

What moral code they do possess is straight Marxist-Leninist: the ends justify the means.

This is again not true...Sociopaths often have highly developed moral codes - NOT the codes of society of course but then that is a good thing. A VERY good thing.

Society itself is in many ways insane.

It is also false to claim this is straight Marxist-Leninist. I'd like to see a quote on that.

No hurry...Google away....we've got time....
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They were probably using one of those dictionaries.

Sego, everyone understands and should ignore your little strawmen. The thread isn't about whether someone wants to use a word differently than you imagine they should or will conform to some definition you have that seems to be different from everyone else. This tactic is transparent and we've already seen it with right wing, violence and any other number of terms you seem to declare everyone else uses wrong.

In short get a new tactic.

In the meantime have fun with the history of eliminationist since you enjoy debating word definitions so much.


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But this debate about the “tone” of American politics is ideologically unidirectional, designed not to elevate debate but to vilify a political enemy. The call for calm—with its frequent invocations of Tea Party “fascism”—is stupid partisan politics dressed up as incoherent moral politics.

Next............

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They were probably using one of those dictionaries.

Sego, everyone understands and should ignore your little strawmen. The thread isn't about whether someone wants to use a word differently than you imagine they should or will conform to some definition you have that seems to be different from everyone else. This tactic is transparent and we've already seen it with right wing, violence and any other number of terms you seem to declare everyone else uses wrong.

In short get a new tactic.

In the meantime have fun with the history of eliminationist since you enjoy debating word definitions so much.


Next............

Words should mean things....just saying......
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Words should mean things....just saying......

Yes that is why I went with the definition while you went to the Wiki-page for a general disorder class and then quoted a section discussing a proposal for two subgroups within that class called respectively psychopathy and sociopathy.

That wasn't a definition.

However we should note that there was an online party this year predicting a lot of bloodshed for 2011 and who also spends a lot of time picking at people about their word choices. Sounds a lot like someone who might need a mental evaluation.

In the meantime we have the thread topic instead of these distractions.

Sick Bernie Sanders is raising money off tragedy and bloodshed.

This isn't an appeal to send money or help to victims or their families. This is someone trying to line their own pockets for reelection and it is sick.

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Yes that is why I went with the definition while you went to the Wiki-page for a general disorder class and then quoted a section discussing a proposal for two subgroups within that class called respectively psychopathy and sociopathy.

That wasn't a definition.

However we should note that there was an online party this year predicting a lot of bloodshed for 2011 and who also spends a lot of time picking at people about their word choices. Sounds a lot like someone who might need a mental evaluation.

In the meantime we have the thread topic instead of these distractions.

Sick Bernie Sanders is raising money off tragedy and bloodshed.

This isn't an appeal to send money or help to victims or their families. This is someone trying to line their own pockets for reelection and it is sick.

It's all very relevant in the light of events.

I think you need one of our traditional examples:

Individual 1: Shoot these fuckers...they are scum

Individual 2: Ok....good idea...I hear and obey: BANG!

Individual 1: What did I say???? The words I used ACTUALLY meant 'love your neighbour and sit in a cave meditatiing on peace'.....

Officer of the Law: that's ok sir.....we all know words can mean anything you want before, during or after the fact. You're free to go.......
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It's all very relevant in the light of events.

I think you need one of our traditional examples:

Individual 1: Shoot these fuckers...they are scum

Individual 2: Ok....good idea...I hear and obey: BANG!

Individual 1: What did I say???? The words I used ACTUALLY meant 'love your neighbour and sit in a cave meditatiing on peace'.....

Officer of the Law: that's ok sir.....we all know words can mean anything you want before, during or after the fact. You're free to go.......

Can you prove Individual 2 ever heard and thus obeyed Individual 1?

Since you can't, this becomes a double fallacy. You want to declare someone who said the words, that weren't heard by another person is thus trying to change the meaning of the words that weren't heard. Now please address the thread topic instead of tossing dust into the air.

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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

So if Sarah's crosshairs are so insignificant why did one of here aides try to pretend it wasn't crosshairs but merely marker points on a map?

If her "crosshair" map is so significant why do you ignore the bullseye map democrats made years before?
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"It is indeed probable that more harm and misery have been caused by men determined to use coercion to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."

-- Friedrich A. Hayek
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Giffords Reads First Amendment

The irony should be killing some of you right now. Those calling for speech limitations or condemning free speech are hypocrits of the highest order.

um where did that pic go???
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