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post #1 of 30
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<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/785267.asp?cp1=1" target="_blank">Idiot</a>

Read this link - this guy clearly knows nothing about what it takes to be a great cyclist, let alone a great athlete. My guess is he just views with disdain things he doesn't understand.
There are so many things in there that show his lack of understanding - "What if they were playing defense?" THEY ARE PLAYING DEFENSE. Its a team sport. His requirements for being an athlete - mental toughness, hand eye coordination etc. You try descending down a narrow mountain pass on 1/2" tires at 60+mph with a sheer drop of 500m on the side. Tell me that doesn't take both. Tell me that riding up an interminable hill with your lungs, legs, heart screaming for you to stop doesn't take mental toughness. Why does stuff like this bother me so much?

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post #2 of 30
Thoth, your link doesn't work.
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post #3 of 30
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[quote]Originally posted by gobble gobble:
<strong>Thoth, your link doesn't work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just clicked on it and it worked for me.
Here's the URL if you want to type it in:

<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/785267.asp?cp1=1" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/785267.asp?cp1=1</a>

and I'll try again with the link :
<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/785267.asp?cp1=1" target="_blank">Lance Armstrong is not an athlete</a>
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Oops. I guess Amorph saved my bacon and that's why it worked. Thanks.

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post #4 of 30
This nitwit is so far off, there's no point even trying to reason with him. Anybody who's ever done a bike ride of any pace & length, especially with hills involved, knows the difficulty of what Armstrong is doing. Even finishing the Tour is a monumental task, let alone beating some of the world's best-conditioned athletes to the top of peaks in the Alps & Pyrenees again and again. Does this guy have the slightest idea how fast these guys go? Try riding your bike 30 MPH for even one block, and get back to me.
post #5 of 30
One can create a bastard dismissal of any sport:

[quote]Ron Borges writes regularly for NBCSports.com and covers boxing and the NFL for the Boston Globe.<hr></blockquote>

I see he's more into punching people and playing with balls.
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post #6 of 30
Using his "logic", Michael Jordan, Barry Bonds, Jerry Rice or Marion Jones are not great athletes, but the Rockettes are. That's because I like dancing girls better than sports.

From the article [quote]"Just don’t be trying to give away the title of world’s greatest athlete to a skinny guy from Texas who sits on a bicycle seat for nine hours a day careening through the mountains, tall though those mountains might be."<hr></blockquote>

Fine, but don't try to convince me that overpaid thyroid cases running back and forth trying to throw a ball through a hoop for an hour or so are any better than the skinny guy from Texas.
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post #7 of 30
This guy is a frigging idiot. He does not know a clue about cycling <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> .
I don't know if Lance Amstrong is the greatest world athlet, and frankly it does not bother me, but i can tell you that Ron Borges is the greatest stupid sport columnist that i ever read

I have try to vote : the results 96 % of people have a different advice from him.

I think the guy has just make a non PC essay to appear intelligent : the reality is he is just a moron <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
post #8 of 30
Well, I've known a stripper or two that I'd consider atheletes, and their moves definately...athletic.
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post #9 of 30
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[quote]Originally posted by jesperas:
<strong>Well, I've known a stripper or two that I'd consider atheletes, and their moves definately...athletic. </strong><hr></blockquote>

You wouldn't happen to be talking about anyone at the Fuzzy Grape in NH, would you?
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post #10 of 30
I don't know how this guy got a column. Sounds like some moronic redneck griping about "sissy sports".
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post #11 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Thoth2:
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You wouldn't happen to be talking about anyone at the Fuzzy Grape in NH, would you?
Thoth</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah...Club Rock-za in HI. And her name was Marika. Or, that's what she said it was, anyway.
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post #12 of 30
Any "writer" who starts of with 'CERTAINLY ARMSTRONG IS A HELL...' is an idiot.
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post #13 of 30
[quote]For my money, being the greatest athlete in the world involves strength, speed, agility, hand-eye coordination, mental toughness and the ability to make your body do things that defy description.<hr></blockquote>


With maybe the exception of eye-hand coordination Lance has all that and in great quantity.

The guy hasn't been watching the tour. A fight even broke out this year. Too bad my wife taped over it.
post #14 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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With maybe the exception of eye-hand coordination Lance has all that and in great quantity.

The guy hasn't been watching the tour. A fight even broke out this year. Too bad my wife taped over it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah, I caught the fight... looks like they could use some additional hand-eye co-ordination skills


I can't say anything that hasn't already been said in regards to this article. Cycling is, hands down, one of the toughest sports in the world. Cyclists train longer and harder than most athletes. We're talking about races here that can last up to six hours... of continuous physical exertion and mental concentration. The number of people in this world that can do that, and do it competitively, are few and far between.

When that columnist is damned to hell, he will be made to live out eternity by riding a bicycle
post #15 of 30
You know, I wish I hadn't read that damn article Today
was going to be my off day, but now I think I'm going to go do another 40 mile ride just to spite him...

This guy does a good job of making me embarassed to be an American. I just don't even know where to begin...
post #16 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
<strong>You know, I wish I hadn't read that damn article Today
was going to be my off day, but now I think I'm going to go do another 40 mile ride just to spite him...

This guy does a good job of making me embarassed to be an American. I just don't even know where to begin...</strong><hr></blockquote>

don't be embarassed there is idiots everywhere. Idiots share one thing with god : they are omniwhere
post #17 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
<strong>...

When that columnist is damned to hell, he will be made to live out eternity by riding a bicycle </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's Hell <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
post #18 of 30
From my limited understanding (I'm an agnostic, but borderline atheist), you get your own custom made eternal damnnation, or punishment. At least they care enough to make it special for you I guess For this jackass, it will be riding a bicycle... I'll see to it once I arrive.

i wonder if he has even looked up the definition of the word "athlete". If he considers football to be more atheltic than cycling, I just don't get that. Football has a bunch of people good at memorizing plays, hitting people, throwing a piece of leather, and catching that piece of leather. But it isn't sustained physical exertion. Each "play" ends up being like a "sprint". In my opinion, that's less respectful athletically than cycling. Basketball and Hockey, two sports I actually like, are more along the lines of a form of continual exertion.

But I still consider them all athletes. Cyclists are endurance athletes. The fact that they ride a bike doesn't make them less of an athlete, and to be quite honest, I don't know a single successful cyclist that got where he is by ONLY working his lower body in the gym or by ONLY riding his bike. Cyclists are probably the most well disciplined athletes in the world. These guys don't go to wild parties after a race, they don't make millions of dollars, they don't live a superstar lifestyle. They discipline themselves to the fullest. From what they eat to how they train on and off the bike, to how they prepare mentally... it's ten times more difficult than any football player's training.

Yeah, this has been bothering me all day... a lot
post #19 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
<strong>...

Cyclists are probably the most well disciplined athletes in the world. These guys don't go to wild parties after a race, they don't make millions of dollars, they don't live a superstar lifestyle. They discipline themselves to the fullest. From what they eat to how they train on and off the bike, to how they prepare mentally... it's ten times more difficult than any football player's training.

... </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure about that. Where's Jan this year?
post #20 of 30
well, um, you know... on the whole. Jan is an exception
post #21 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
<strong>But it isn't sustained physical exertion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did you play football in high school?

That's when you play offense *and* defense, you're on the field the entire game and it really is like sprinting.

We've got guys on our football team (University of Texas) that can run 4.6/8 in the 40 and weigh ~300lbs.

You can't be out of shape and be a good football player.

Baseball... that's debateable.
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post #22 of 30
I'm not saying football players are out of shape or not in exceptional physical condition... they're just not endurance athletes. I think it is a bit more remarkable for somebody to be able to put out sustained physical exertion for up to six hours... and be able to do that six days in a row without taking a big performance hit.

I've known some football players, I wouldn't dare tell them they weren't athletes But I do believe that they are athletes... it's just Football has interruptions, and those interruptions give people time to recover for their next sprint. You don't get that in cycling unless you crash or something on your bike breaks

Now baseball... baseball is a pretty weak sport
post #23 of 30
Generally the best sport, is the sport that we prefer ...
post #24 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
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Now baseball... baseball is a pretty weak sport </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, you can be out of shape and play baseball. A lot of very successful pitchers have been rather pudgy. That said, it's hard for a shortstop to go deep in the hole, turn and rifle a throw to first - just beating the runner - unless he's in good shape. Baseball is more of a skill sport, though. I think it demands a lot more hand to eye co-ordination than any other sport.
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post #25 of 30
There are actually some pretty humurous parts in that article... seems more like a Dvorak bashing the Mac type of article than anything he actually thinks is true.

He's OBVOUSLY never ridden a bike farther than from his house to the corner store. Not athletic? I'd like to see this jerk even FINISH a freakin' stage.

Amazing ignorance.
post #26 of 30
hi- i don't know if bicycle riders are real atheletes, but i asked my neighbor, ernie, and he said that 99% of them are gay and not at all athelets..He is a certified or whatever prison guard and so he cannot lie. well that is what he told me..pismo1- don't kill me..
post #27 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by pismo1:
<strong>hi- i don't know if bicycle riders are real atheletes, but i asked my neighbor, ernie, and he said that 99% of them are gay and not at all athelets..He is a certified or whatever prison guard and so he cannot lie. well that is what he told me..pismo1- don't kill me.. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Can't argure with that.
post #28 of 30
Some of your moderators here are competitive cyclists...
post #29 of 30
Blech, that article would have been funny had there been any humour in it...

Actually I think Lance's way of riding doesn't help in people understanding that it is really very hard to do. I mean, people like (most of) us could easily die halfway up the Mont Ventoux if we had ever gotten there in the first place. Lance is (or looks to be) always in control. And he uses that crazy leg rythm that makes most of the others look like they don't know what they're doing.

To continue a little in a thread that's probably beyond it's life span anyway... This is a (no, probably THE) EURO sport, we don't want All Stars, we want heroism, myth, failure, misfortune and scandal . Like Jan for example, last year. Gets too fat, does XTC and whatever. Tries to take on Armstrong, but fails. Tries again, ditto. Tries again and falls into a ravine, continues and still fails. That, IMHO is what the TDF is all about.
So to conclude this little rant, my advice to Lance Armstrong would be: For becoming a true legend... fail next year, fall, catch the flu or whatever. Lose to Botero or Beloki or even Jan. Then win the 2004 and 2005 edition. Immortality.
post #30 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
Generally the best sport, is the sport that we prefer ... <hr></blockquote>

I agree wholeheartedly.

I love playing sports, even the ones I suck at (which, unfortunately, turns out to be most of them). Most sports are tough on a person especially if they're not trained for it.

Even driving (like F1, CART, etc.) is strenuous, and that's just sitting behind a wheel. Outside of a couple of exceptions (like Nigel "Does this seat make my butt look fat" Mansell), F1 drives are some of the most fit athletes in the world.

Okay-- I'll stop with the driving. I ride my bike everyday to work, but I'm in such bad shape I'm huffing and puffing when I get there.

Man, it's hard to stay coherent at 2:00 am while trying to play Spaceward Ho! and writing at the same time.
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