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When he took his last medical leave of absence from Apple in 2009, company co-founder Steve Jobs went to Switzerland seeking treatment for cancer, according to a new report.

Doron Levin, contributing to Fortune on Tuesday, revealed Jobs' unpublicized flight to Switzerland from 2009. The details were shared off the record, by Apple director Jerry York, who died in March of 2010.

Jobs allegedly went to the University of Basel for an "unusual radiological treatment" for neuroendocrine cancer. Experts say the five-year survival rate for such cancer is between 55 percent and 57 percent -- a rate much improved from when Jobs was originally diagnosed with cancer in 2004.

"York told me about the treatment, which was not available in the U.S., in the context of our discussions about Jobs, his health and Apple's future," Levin wrote. "Under our agreement at the time, York wanted the facts of Jobs's treatment in Switzerland to remain out of the news. He didn't say whether the board knew of it. (With York's death, the off-the-record agreement is no longer in place.)"

Jobs did not reveal the reason for his medical leave of absence this week, but he issued a note to employees in which he said he will remain the company's chief executive and will be involved in all major strategic decisions in his time away. Jobs also reiterated his belief that his health is a private matter.

"I love Apple so much and hope to be back as soon as I can," the CEO wrote. "In the meantime, my family and I would deeply appreciate respect for our privacy."

Despite Jobs' requests, details about his health continue to emerge from a variety of sources. In 2008, a personal phone call from Jobs to a reporter with The New York Times revealed that the CEO did not have a recurrence of cancer at the time, though precise details of that conversation were kept off the record.

And in 2009, it took two months for The Wall Street Journal to uncover that Jobs had had liver transplant surgery during his time away from Apple. Soon after receiving his transplant, Jobs returned to work and led his company to its greatest success ever.

This week, an anonymous source told The New York Times that Jobs had been on a "down cycle" recently, and was looking "increasingly emaciated." That person indicated that Jobs was only coming into the office about two days per week, and would frequently eat lunch in his office rather than in the company cafeteria.

Though he is private about his health, Jobs did use his experience to push an organ donor registry in the state of California, requiring residents to accept or decline the option of becoming an organ donor when they renew their drivers licenses. And after he returned to work in 2009, Jobs publicly spoke about how he was given the liver of a person who died in a car crash in their mid-20s.

"I am alive because of their generosity," he said at an iPod-centric keynote in September 2009. "I hope we can all be that generous."
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Apple secrets- neverending story.
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The world, and especially the tech world, would be a much less interesting place without Steve kicking around.
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Okay, so cancer treatment in aught nine.

Would he have been given the liver if it was still present in 2010?
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With so much money riding on Jobs' health, I'd think at least a few people are paid to track his every move. Reporters (and hence the general public) just don't have access to this information.
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Jesus Christ, is there no sense of propriety anymore? Give Steve a friggin' break already.

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"increasingly emaciated."

Thats a very serious statement. Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach and enjoy his family, and reflect on all his great work at Apple & pixar. Cause it sounds like his hour has come

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"I am alive because of their generosity," he said at an iPod-centric keynote in September 2009. "I hope we can all be that generous."

How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.
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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
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So much for Steve's wish to have his privacy respected....

I'm sure some will say his request for privacy was directly related to his new leave of absence, not something that happened 2 years ago. 18 million articles about every angle of his health does get more than a bit weird tho
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So much for Steve's wish to have his privacy respected....

I would like AI to give me a filter to hide all news/rumors/hearsay about Steve Jobs. Thanks!

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Jesus Christ, is there no sense of propriety anymore? Give Steve a friggin' break already.

As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.
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The world, and especially the tech world, would be a much less interesting place without Steve kicking around.

he should be put in a memorial in washington DC for future generations after his eventuality.
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How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.

Come. On. Seriously? This is simple economics. You don't like it, don't buy it. The company will be forced to change or go under. Thanks for corrupting his words.

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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.

*nod of approval*

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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.

He told us he was sick. That's. All. Shareholders. Need. To. Know. That he told us he was sick is an improvement over his old ways, for certain.
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Thats a very serious statement. Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach and enjoy his family, and reflect on all his great work at Apple & pixar. Cause it sounds like his hour has come



How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.

Wow... there are jerks and there are insensitive jerks. You IMO are both!
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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.

Yes. Makes me sick at heart to read this stuff. So why do I read it? Concern. But all you have to do is read this column and you'll understand why Steve wants to NOT talk about this stuff. It gets really maudlin really fast.
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my prediction:

steve jobs has paid some medical facility (years ago—in some country other than the u.s.—obviously) to create a new liver via stem cell and is actually going to have it replace the one he has currently.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.

if most of apple's shareholders hold this view, i do think they have the very right to dump apple's stock, and they should do this or they should have not gotten into apple's bandwagon to push the stock this high.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.

The apple board has made it's shareholders quite a bit of money and it appears that will continue given apples obvious momentum. Other companies board of directors should fail to represent their companies in a similar fashion.
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Doron Levin, contributing to Fortune on Tuesday, revealed Jobs' unpublicized flight to Switzerland from 2009. The details were shared off the record, by Apple director Jerry York, who died in March of 2010.

So much for integrity and ethics. Journalism really has gone to hell.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.

Apple shareholders have a right to hold or sell their stock based on what information they have. They don't have a right to "more information" than is required by law. Are you suggesting that every CEO in America ought to be required by law to release a medical status update each day to let us know about the mole they had removed or that they had an unpleasant bowel movement (or not)?
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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.

There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.
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if most of apple's shareholders hold this view, i do think they have the very right to dump apple's stock, and they should do this or they should have not gotten into apple's bandwagon to push the stock this high.

No, that's not how it works. Shareholders are entitled to information which can materially effect their investments. How much of a CEO's medical situation is covered by this right to know is a matter of debate, but to say that public companies have a right to create information black holes is just not correct. One of the reasons these rumors get started is because of the lack of information provided by Apple. They create mysteries and someone is going to try to solve it.
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Cause it sounds like his hour has come.

Did you just get out of prison? I had hoped you were dead since we hadn't heard from you for six months or so.

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While there is an obligation for the Board to provide information that materially affects the value of a company's stock, there are also regulations that protect the privacy of individuals.

In 2009 many shareholders tried to press the issue with the SEC, but to the best of my knowledge no action came of it.

So until someone is able to successfully sue Apple for concealing this information, it appears that doing so does not violate any existing regulation.

True, as far as it goes -- but Apple's lack of communications on this issue only feeds the rumor beast. They'd do better to be less opaque.
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So much for Steve's wish to have his privacy respected....

Where is that "trustworthy contributor" from? Israel?
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Okay, so cancer treatment in aught nine.

Would he have been given the liver if it was still present in 2010?

Sounds to me like he might have had the tumour area irradiated previous to having the surgery to ensure it wouldn't spread which is a smart thing to do if that's the case and would make it even *less* likely that he is suffering a significant relapse of the cancer.

Of course most people will read this as "He's dying" and "OMFG! more secrets!"
(because Apple is evil of course)
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he should be put in a memorial in washington DC for future generations after his eventuality.

Smithsonian? Well at least his brain or his liver.
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Thats a very serious statement. Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach and enjoy his family, and reflect on all his great work at Apple & pixar. Cause it sounds like his hour has come



How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.

In essence, you want him to believe in a Fantasy and give you a discount. Find another hobby.
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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.

Agreed.
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... Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach ...

Right. Because when you are sick, then is the time to quit doing anything constructive (Buhdism, Yoga, his excellent diet, etc.) and dive into fantasy mysticism in the hope for a cure.

If I remember correctly you're also the one that suggested last time he was sick, that all he needed was a good steak or hamburger (which would have pretty much killed him at the time if he decided to take your advice).
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There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.

And on the other end of the spectrum there are AppleInsider members that think of him as the Kwisatz Haderach.
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Apple shareholders have a right to hold or sell their stock based on what information they have. They don't have a right to "more information" than is required by law. Are you suggesting that every CEO in America ought to be required by law to release a medical status update each day to let us know about the mole they had removed or that they had an unpleasant bowel movement (or not)?


Maybe they should all be required by law to post on Twitter endless personal minutia.
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Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.

Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.


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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.
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Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.

Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.

This indeed. Some of us work in health care.
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The world, and especially the tech world, would be a much less interesting place without Steve kicking around.

even though i don't like some of his business dealings/attitudes...i agree. i truly hope he isn't fading away.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders.

Absolutely true.
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... He works for us.

100% false.

Availing yourself of the opportunity to invest in a company does not equate to you "owning" or "running" that company. In fact no company could even operate if the shareholders were actually "in charge" in any realistic sense.

You have no control, nor should you have. You're only decision is whether you want to keep supporting Apple or not. If the answer is no, then invest elsewhere.
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Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.

Thank you. I was about to post about HIPAA myself. I'm sick of hearing the words "shareholders" and "entitled" being thrown around in the same sentence. Steve has the right to privacy, nor does he need to share his health information with the public. Leave him be.

Besides, there are plenty of capable people at Apple, and they will continue to ensure Apple's success during Steve's absence.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us.

No, he works for Apple, not the shareholders. If he worked for the shareholders, Apple wouldn't be what it is today!
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