I have had some time to mull this over a bit and I am prepared for some limited responses. I purposely took time so that I would not post rash responses. I apologise for my initial post if they came off rude. I know that you did not intend your response to be taken the way I did initially, but i don't back away from my position, just my level of response pointing to you.
Originally Posted by BR
I WANT human life to continue. That's why I want us to push into space so all of our eggs aren't in one basket. I also think we should stop reproducing like rabbits so that our one basket doesn't crowd itself into extinction.
I believe you want this. I also believe that you feel that overpopulation is a problem. I don't believe, however, that we are going to crowd ourselves into extinction. This may simply be my optimistic nature, but the issue with people starving and such are generally due to a lack of compassion rhter than a true lack of resources.
1. Promote the shit out of adoption. There are plenty of babies that need loving homes. Frankly, infertile couples should really be turning to adoption more frequently.
I fully agree here. Adoption is a wonderful option, and there are plenty of children out there ho need a solid family to grow up in.
2. Sure, stop giving deductions for the 3rd child and beyond. Sure, tax families for having 3 or more children. Make sure those taxes scale appropriately so it's not just the rich who can still have large families.
3. Provide REAL sex education nationwide. Free condoms, EVERYWHERE. None of this abstinence-only bullshit that just fucking doesn't work. Seriously reduce unplanned pregnancy.
4. Provide free vasectomies & tubal ligations.
I disagree with all three of these. Number 2 is a problem because you have the government or some other outside force determining who can and cannot have large families. That is not their place nor their right to intrude.
Number 3 is more an issue of how effective is the education really going to be? Abstinence is a valid choice, and if practiced is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy, STD's and other issues relating to sexual relationships outside of a relationship. However, I don't believe that it is the only thing out there. Condoms, however, should not be promoted as a free pass to have sex with anyone at any time. They are not always effective, and there is more to sex than just the exchange of bodily fluids.
Number 4 is simply a way to prevent pregnancy. It does not deal with the issue surrounding the lack of compassion. Number 3 also falls in this category somewhat without proper education.
Your primary mistake is that you think I devalue life. That's so far off base it's not even funny. I value life much, much more than any Christian or religious nut (your words) out there because I don't live in this fantasy world where I pretend there's more life after we die. Life is incredibly precious. We should treat it as such--take care of our planet, push to the stars, and until we can make the breakthroughs to food, clothe, and shelter every single living human on this planet, reproduce responsibly.
I had no right to speak to your frame of mind and as such have apologized publicly. If one places any monetary or material value on life or uses such to make a case to end it, then I see that as lessening the value of life. Your argument came across as such and I responded.
Also, it's kind of a laugh riot for a conservative to tell a socialist the conservative's the one who gives a shit about life. I'm the one who says we should have free healthcare for everyone. I'm the one who says no matter how lazy or useless the person is, he shouldn't starve or have to live on the streets. Yet I'm the one who somehow doesn't care.
I agree that those are noble ideals and if they could be achieved they should be. However, I believe they need to be done so in a framework of personal responsibility. All people should put back into the system that they take out of to the level of their ability. It is difficult however to see how such a system would actually be implemented when compassion for ones fellow man rides so low on the importance scale. Reality has a way of killing Utopian visions.