Apple's Tim Cook dismisses Android iPad competitors as bizarre, vapor - Page 5

Originally Posted by Alfiejr

Vaporware by definition is something that never actually solidfies into an actual product for sale. so yeah, Cook is trash talking when using that term for definitely upcoming tablets. Promiseware or futureware or hypeware woulda been more accurate. guess he just wanted to show Apple has its game on.

Originally Posted by Firefly7475

Correct, however it's not Cook trash talking, it's Dilger. Cook never mentioned vapourware. Dilger made that up for the article.

On Android tablets Cook said "In terms of next generation. Theres nothing shipping yet. So I dont know. Today they're vapor".

Originally Posted by dtla1730

Crack prices in Cupertino must've fallen recently.

Anyway, Android's a great mobile os and Apple don't have the tab on tabletness. They need to relax over there. That's A

B... i'm a Winblows user and I own a mac. Mac users know nothing which is why Apple and its 3rd party developers are able to monetize every aspect of personal computing anymore where mac use is concerned. Paying for video codecs? Come on. If Apple users knew anything they wouldn't go for it.

C... I own an android phone and know full well Android is capable of much. OSX is unix-based as is Android (linux-based) so the idea of an Applehead calling Android unprepared to deal with tablets is kind of stupid. Which would pretty much be par for the course.

Originally Posted by sprockkets

Well it also has to be a tested solution. My company spend 4 million dollars on that system.

Not to mention too I doubt the ipad can print to our printers, ever.

We also have our incoming call center use that same system to keep track of our customers info, make new work orders to order parts from various venders, etc.

In the future when tablet's (more like ARM) gets good enough, we'll see a shift. But the support and infrastructure isn't there yet, and Apple doesn't seem to get the enterprise.

Originally Posted by dtla1730

Crack prices in Cupertino must've fallen recently.
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B... i'm a Winblows user and I own a mac. Mac users know nothing which is why Apple and its 3rd party developers are able to monetize every aspect of personal computing anymore where mac use is concerned. Paying for video codecs? Come on. If Apple users knew anything they wouldn't go for it.
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Originally Posted by Doctor David

Cook was taking a shot at android. He would prefer it if people purchased apple products.

Originally Posted by DocNo42

Bravo for you for not falling for the "7 inch tablet screen size is a feature" sales job. The whole 7 inch "form factor" is purely driven by price and an inability to compete with Apple in the 10" space. And if the iPad 2 rumors are true, the gap will widen even further!

Originally Posted by hatunike

Yes, i think he would prefer that. However, i do think there is some validity in looking at how vapor got turned into vaporware. It seems to me that Captain Cook's hands were tied in addressing all of the 80+ tablets. His description of 'vapor' is quite apt in describing something that he doesn't know enough about to see how it actually compares to an Ipad. I mean really if you don't know pricing, availability, battery life, and more. What are you supposed to say to how your product compares? I'd buy 100 xooms if they were 1$ and I could go to the store and get one right now, also if they were powered by magic fairy dust that negated a need for batteries. Now wouldn't that be magical?

He said everything he was really qualified to say. He mentioned why he thinks even if the slew of tablets are as good as they say they are, Apple isn't afraid to compete and they have unique offerings in terms of integration, ecosystem, etc that nobody can match.

Most importantly, he emphasized several times how excited Apple is about the products they have in their pipeline.

I'm a pretty leniant guy when it comes to companies releasing products and not delivering them for a couple months. But recently my patience has been tried and tested. I'm starting to think that a company doesn't deserve marketing hype, and publicity based off mockups and concepts. The annoyingness doesn't end here though, these same companies that are producing concepts and models, and advanced prototypes, want you to consider their products when making an argument in the present. You know? Like their nonexistant product has already changed the game, and if you don't take it into consideration than you are a dillusional fanboy or something.

Originally Posted by Alfiejr

Promiseware or futureware or hypeware woulda been more accurate. guess he just wanted to show Apple has its game on.

Originally Posted by dtla1730

B... i'm a Winblows user and I own a mac. Mac users know nothing which is why Apple and its 3rd party developers are able to monetize every aspect of personal computing anymore where mac use is concerned. Paying for video codecs? Come on. If Apple users knew anything they wouldn't go for it.

C... I own an android phone and know full well Android is capable of much. OSX is unix-based as is Android (linux-based) so the idea of an Applehead calling Android unprepared to deal with tablets is kind of stupid. Which would pretty much be par for the course.

Originally Posted by FreeRange

So if 88 of 100 Fortune 100 companies are supporting the iPhone, and 80 the iPad, who are the IT fascists holding up deployment at the other companies?

Originally Posted by JeffDM

I'm not really buying that 7" is a bad size though. The size worked pretty well the times I've used them.

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

"Theres nothing shipping yet, and they lack performance specs and pricing..."

Originally Posted by biggarthomas

Interestingly enough, I do not think that Cook took on the Blackberry Playbook. I think that despite its 7" screen, the Playbook represents a serious challenge to Cupertino's domination. Well, not so much a challenge to their domination as a challenge to their unbelievable marketshare.

Originally Posted by MacRulez

...but there isn't much need to, since most of the summaries presented here bear little resemblance to what was actually said. Of all those, only Ballmer's was accurate.

Go back and look at what was actually said. Sure, there are some competitive statements there, but like RIM rebutting an attack from Apple and Adobe rebutting Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" with what is actually a much kinder presentation than what Apple posted at their site, the earnest reader must admit the summaries above are a bit misleading.

This post seems indicative of what's become of much of the Mac community in recent years.

Apple makes great products. Enjoy them. But don't fall into the trap of believing that it's impossible for anyone else in the world outside of Apple to ever do anything right.

Such hubris leads to downfall; all empires that rise eventually fall. Why hasten it? It's sad to see those who consider themselves most loyal to the platform doing the most anti-marketing for it.

Originally Posted by MacRulez

Everyone is an evangelist. A million jackbooted fashionistas later and the platform gets a bad name.

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I am interesting in knowing what type of apps and background process the iPad can't handle?!

I use a stylus with my iPad for sketching. So the iPad can handle that type of input.

Originally Posted by OskiO

Does this mean that Apple now intends to give us specs on all their products ahead of time? Uh Apple? Specs on the iPad2 please....we are waiting.

Doubt it....they like to give us a big show and say "shipping today" or "shipping next week."

I personally don't think it is a big deal they are lacking performance specs and pricing.....the big deal is they are lacking an actual product and will be for the most part until around the iPad3, then, like the iPhone, it will be too late.

Originally Posted by sprockkets

Daniel, this is a news site. Regurgitating old headlines every time Android is mentioned is again, kicking a dead horse.

Originally Posted by sprockkets

Would it surprise you if I told you I want an ipad 2?

Originally Posted by JeffDM

That's an interesting point, but I've never heard of those words before you posted them. Did you make them up, or have you seen them used before?

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

You'll shut down if you sit in a truck at 110 for extended periods of time.

Originally Posted by sprockkets

I know, it's hard to keep quiet, but it always works to your advantage.

Originally Posted by androidmax

Some of which show real promise.

Originally Posted by gwlaw99

I can see saying that Android apps suck and that Android has no tablet specific apps, but you can't criticize Android tablets like the Galaxy Tab for using the same operating system as Android phones. The iPhone and iPad use the same operating system and that has nothing to do with the fact that the iPad has thousands of tablet specific apps.

Originally Posted by DocNo42

Perhaps, but the fact is there are darn few shipping, and the ones that are have numerous shortcomings when compared to the iPad and there isn't any indication that either Google or the manufacturers are intent on addressing some of the core shortcomings. Heck, they are in outright denial about one of the biggest - fragmentation!

It makes no difference to me. The market will choose who they like the best. If the Android tablets do correct enough of their deficiencies and start to take of then great! But I think there are lots of delusional people who think Android will "win" just because it's "open" or "not Apple" and that's just crazy.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Um, no.

When the iPad came out it had its own OS- 3.2. The point of 4.2 was to merge 3.2 and iOS 4.0. The merge was backwards with the iPhone. The iPhone, therefore, runs a tablet OS ( with modifications), not the other way around.

Besides all iOS has an API which is not that different from the Desktop OS. Android, on the other hand, has a much smaller subset of the API on iOS and will have to add lots of API to reach parity, which wont happen for years.

Originally Posted by MacRulez

...but there isn't much need to, since most of the summaries presented here bear little resemblance to what was actually said. Of all those, only Ballmer's was accurate.

Go back and look at what was actually said. Sure, there are some competitive statements there, but like RIM rebutting an attack from Apple and Adobe rebutting Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" with what is actually a much kinder presentation than what Apple posted at their site, the earnest reader must admit the summaries above are a bit misleading.

This post seems indicative of what's become of much of the Mac community in recent years.

Apple makes great products. Enjoy them. But don't fall into the trap of believing that it's impossible for anyone else in the world outside of Apple to ever do anything right.

Such hubris leads to downfall; all empires that rise eventually fall. Why hasten it? It's sad to see those who consider themselves most loyal to the platform doing the most anti-marketing for it.

f we did not act, we faced a Draconian future, a future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice.

Originally Posted by gwlaw99

I can see saying that Android apps suck and that Android has no tablet specific apps, but you can't criticize Android tablets like the Galaxy Tab for using the same operating system as Android phones. The iPhone and iPad use the same operating system and that has nothing to do with the fact that the iPad has thousands of tablet specific apps.

Originally Posted by gwlaw99

True, but iOS developers aren't allowed to use modified private APIs as Android developers are. Here is a good article discussing the difference in the SDKs (looks to be translated to English). Both have advantages and disadvantages for programmers.
http://hi-android.info/2010/08/24/io...s-android-sdk/