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post #41 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:10pm
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AppleInsider is the Fox News of Apple media

I have to agree with sprockets on this one. AppleInsider has good rumor reporting, but its analysis pieces are totally one-sided, pro-Apple, spin and propaganda. I guess this is good business sense, for a website that has an apple-fan reader base, but it's over the top.

For example, the dismissal of 7-inch tablets (which IMO have a niche among mobile users who want more than the smartphone experience) mirrors and amplifies Apple's FUD on the topic, and its articles on Android caricature the competition.

N.B. This coming from a confirmed member of the Apple faithful (Mac only since my PowerMac 6100, said a prayer for Steve the other day)

What's unusual is that the author you are criticizing is even more of an ultra-leftist than an Apple bigot.

Had you accused him of fronting Fox News on his blog -- more than likely he would have personally insulted and ridiculed you.

DED's articles often appear to be well researched, but he takes liberties with the facts he includes and those he ignores.

I am pro Apple for many reasons -- but I can't abide DED's stance that Apple is always right and that anything opposed is evil.

That said, if you can ignore the agenda, DED often delivers articles that are worth reading.
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post #42 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

Well it also has to be a tested solution. My company spend 4 million dollars on that system.

Not to mention too I doubt the ipad can print to our printers, ever.

We also have our incoming call center use that same system to keep track of our customers info, make new work orders to order parts from various venders, etc.

In the future when tablet's (more like ARM) gets good enough, we'll see a shift. But the support and infrastructure isn't there yet, and Apple doesn't seem to get the enterprise.

Your companies products seems to have a limited market niche compared to the iPad. You certainly won't be selling those things for $500. I am sure it is a very good product, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Your sales will be in the 100's or 1000's, certainly not the 10,000,000's that the iPad will sell in.
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post #43 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

Really? Vaporware? They just announced their tablets like a week and a half ago.

Three months from now if there is nothing, that's vaporware. Sheesh.



Daniel, this is a news site. Regurgitating old headlines every time Android is mentioned is again, kicking a dead horse.

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Small correction. Apple's vaporware of today had they announced an iPad 2 that wasn't shipping for three months.

Apple would never pre-announce like that. What I was trying to say is that anything NOT shipping today will more than likely have to compete with a v2 Apple product.
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post #44 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Stourque View Post

Ones that are afraid of losing their jobs. Keep buying junk that needs lots of tech support. It's called self preservation. Microsoft has relied on this strategy for years.


don't kid yourself. except for virus crap, apple products are just as demanding in an enterprise environment. in some ways worse: itunes. that the ipad has to be tied to a machine with itunes is a huge pain. why can't it all be over the air? that would make them a breeze to distribute and support.
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post #45 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:19pm
Hmmmm, Google, Microsoft, and Motorola ring a bell? Pretty much any company whose interest isn't aligned with Apple's.



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So if 88 of 100 Fortune 100 companies are supporting the iPhone, and 80 the iPad, who are the IT fascists holding up deployment at the other companies?
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post #46 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

Apple announced the ipad back in Jan of 2010. It wasn't released until April. Was that vaporware too?

To be fair Apple let journalist use the software after the keynote.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/a...irst-hands-on/

Motorola let people view a video of Honeycomb running on the Xoom.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/m...irst-hands-on/
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post #47 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

The firm concluded, "the practical effect of this decision is that the Galaxy Tab is effectively an 'over-sized phone' for the purposes of web content. For example, an iPad-style side-navigation section just wont fit on the screen. We think its probably best to treat it as a phone with big pixels rather than a true tablet."

Ha! Further proof the 7" form factor is all about everyone else's inability to compete with Apple on price and thus using lower quality and cheaper 7" displays.

Apple tax indeed! How about the "going cheap because we can't compete" tax?
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post #48 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Stourque View Post

Your companies products seems to have a limited market niche compared to the iPad. You certainly won't be selling those things for $500. I am sure it is a very good product, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Your sales will be in the 100's or 1000's, certainly not the 10,000,000's that the iPad will sell in.

True. But will apple allow a 3rd party to make a rugged ipad for us that will withstand abuse, heat, etc? History says never, unless Jobs retires.

Keep in mind though, while I was at a customer's house, an appliance repair man was using the same tablet and printer. White collar workers may be fine with an ipad, but there are plenty of us who wouldn't mind such a device either.
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post #49 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

I thought Apple needed to look at a 7" form factor until I checked out an iPad in the flesh. It is the correct size in that it's not nearly as large as one might imagine. Smaller doesn't make sense just as 9" netbooks have proven to be lousy laptops.

Bravo for you for not falling for the "7 inch tablet screen size is a feature" sales job. The whole 7 inch "form factor" is purely driven by price and an inability to compete with Apple in the 10" space. And if the iPad 2 rumors are true, the gap will widen even further!
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post #50 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by hypercommunist View Post

I have to agree with sprockets on this one. AppleInsider has good rumor reporting, but its analysis pieces are totally one-sided, pro-Apple, spin and propaganda. I guess this is good business sense, for a website that has an apple-fan reader base, but it's over the top.

For example, the dismissal of 7-inch tablets (which IMO have a niche among mobile users who want more than the smartphone experience) mirrors and amplifies Apple's FUD on the topic, and its articles on Android caricature the competition.

N.B. This coming from a confirmed member of the Apple faithful (Mac only since my PowerMac 6100, said a prayer for Steve the other day)

Agree if you wish but his posts seem to indicate a troll .. hence I suggested he go chat with his like minded enthusiasts.
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post #51 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

What's unusual is that the author you are criticizing is even more of an ultra-leftist than an Apple bigot.

Had you accused him of fronting Fox News on his blog -- more than likely he would have personally insulted and ridiculed you.

DED's articles often appear to be well researched, but he takes liberties with the facts he includes and those he ignores.

I am pro Apple for many reasons -- but I can't abide DED's stance that Apple is always right and that anything opposed is evil.

That said, if you can ignore the agenda, DED often delivers articles that are worth reding.

Maybe he was making the comparison about how fox news operates as opposed to their political leanings? DED is quite Fox News in his apple reporting.

DED does have some good articles, but seriously, bringing up the whole Samsung Galaxy Tab browser CSS screen issue is really, really desperate.
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post #52 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

True. But will apple allow a 3rd party to make a rugged ipad for us that will withstand abuse, heat, etc? History says never, unless Jobs retires.

Keep in mind though, while I was at a customer's house, an appliance repair man was using the same tablet and printer. White collar workers may be fine with an ipad, but there are plenty of us who wouldn't mind such a device either.

Is there any particular reason you're hammering away at the idea that there's a niche that requires a Windows tablet in a thread on the iPad?

We know that Windows tablets have found some use in certain specialized markets. It's absolutely true. We concede the point.

So what? The design choices that made these tablets useful as ruggedized server clients running specialized software has made them consumer failures. Hell, it's made them business failures, for the most part, except for the sort of thing you're up to, whatever that may be.

Again, so what? It's entirely beside the point.
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post #53 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by biggarthomas View Post

Interestingly enough, I do not think that Cook took on the Blackberry Playbook. I think that despite its 7" screen, the Playbook represents a serious challenge to Cupertino's domination. Well, not so much a challenge to their domination as a challenge to their unbelievable marketshare.

Why? Just because it comes from RIM? Is this more of the "No one got fired for buying IBM?"

1) It's not shipping
2) RIM market share is sinking
3) The Playbook has no compatibility with existing BB apps - new OS
4) At least initially, if you don't have a BlackBerry for your phone no mail, contacts and other core features
5) The new OS is untested
6) They won't even talk about battery life
7) It hasn't shipped and RIM has no success at delivering a complete ecosystem such as Apple's
8) There is no evidence that 7" will be a viable form factor for tablet oriented tasks like on the iPad

What's really ironic is many of the same people who pilloried the iPad as an over glorified iPod Touch and instead pimping 7" tablets really are pimping over-glorified cell phones. Heck, there is a quote of that in this story that I already quoted.

RIM may have some success with the PlayBook, but it's highly unlikely. So far it looks to be a marginal increase over the iPad - if it managed to ship today. But the iPad 2 looks like it will easily eclipse it. That's the problem that vendors have had starting with the iPod - Apple is relentless in their development cycle, often cannibalizing, obsoleting and replacing their own products before their competitors even have a chance.

But their biggest problem is #1 on my list... until then it's just an unfulfilled possibility.
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post #54 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

What's unusual is that the author you are criticizing is even more of an ultra-leftist than an Apple bigot.

Hey!!! If there's an ultraleftist around here it's me!

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Had you accused him of fronting Fox News on his blog -- more than likely he would have personally insulted and ridiculed you.

DED's articles often appear to be well researched, but he takes liberties with the facts he includes and those he ignores.

I am pro Apple for many reasons -- but I can't abide DED's stance that Apple is always right and that anything opposed is evil.

That said, if you can ignore the agenda, DED often delivers articles that are worth reding.

Ok, Daniel Eran Dillinger is the Keith Olbermann of Mac media.

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Agree if you wish but his posts seem to indicate a troll .. hence I suggested he go chat with his like minded enthusiasts.

Did notice a bit of trollishness in Sprockkets' posts, almost made me regret backing him up...

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Maybe he was making the comparison about how fox news operates as opposed to their political leanings? DED is quite Fox News in his apple reporting.

DED does have some good articles, but seriously, bringing up the whole Samsung Galaxy Tab browser CSS screen issue is really, really desperate.

...but then again even semi-trolls make good points sometimes!

Cheers y'all
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post #55 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I am interesting in knowing what type of apps and background process the iPad can't handle?!

It doesn't matter if they are real or otherwise - they will surely exist

Man, I thought the Linux zealots were bad, but the anti-Apple bunch takes the cake! In a recent internal meeting about some upcoming hardware contracts, we actually had one of the team members get up and walk outside when the iPad and some other Apple related topics came up

They better get over it or find a new line of work - Apple is in corporate IT to stay. If anything, use of Apple technology, even if it's "just" the iOS is growing exponentially. Even I'm astonished at how well received the iPhone and iPad is.
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post #56 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

But since everyone else says it is based on whether it is available or not...

At least Apple provided real hands-on with the iPad when they announced it. Not so much the case for all the announced iPad competitors.

Look, I am not saying that there will be no competition to the iPad, but what we have is largely hyperbole from the competition. So, how does Cook (or Jobs) respond? With more hyperbole. It's called marketing.
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post #57 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by Offthewall View Post

Apple would never pre-announce like that. What I was trying to say is that anything NOT shipping today will more than likely have to compete with a v2 Apple product.

Of course not - that's why they don't have vaporware.

Actually, I can think of 2 vaporware "products" from Apple: the mythical white iPhone and resolution independence.
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post #58 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Bravo for you for not falling for the "7 inch tablet screen size is a feature" sales job. The whole 7 inch "form factor" is purely driven by price and an inability to compete with Apple in the 10" space. And if the iPad 2 rumors are true, the gap will widen even further!

Exactly. Its astounding how this obvious explanation appears to be ignored by the non-apple pundits.
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post #59 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by hypercommunist View Post

For example, the dismissal of 7-inch tablets (which IMO have a niche among mobile users who want more than the smartphone experience) mirrors and amplifies Apple's FUD on the topic, and its articles on Android caricature the competition.

There is absolutely no evidence that people want nor desire 7" tablets.

7" tablets are being pushed by manufacturers that can't compete with Apple on price for full sized 10" tablets, so suddenly they are trying to create a market segment to fit their shortcomings, not address real end user needs or requirements. It's the same 'ol schtick.

From the third party's mouth:

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The firm concluded, "the practical effect of this decision is that the Galaxy Tab is effectively an 'over-sized phone' for the purposes of web content. For example, an iPad-style side-navigation section just wont fit on the screen. We think its probably best to treat it as a phone with big pixels rather than a true tablet."

Notice the bolded word. Not popular with techies, but paramount for normal people who view devices such as these as tools and not things to be experimented with or experiments to tolerate shortcomings on, or platforms to be an apologist for since they push ones socio-political agenda
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post #60 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:47pm
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Ok, Daniel Eran Dillinger is the Keith Olbermann of Mac media.

Hah. From Dilger to Dillinger - it is conjuring up some funny images. DED articles should have a picture of Daniel outfitted with a tommy gun.
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post #61 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The problem I've seen with many IT is that they are used to do things one way and don't want to change it.

Bingo. And the app he described sounds like a nightmare - a local SQL and Web server?!?!

Seriously? Which internal group or contractor if contracted out is running amok building an empire with that architecture?
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post #62 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:52pm
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There is absolutely no evidence that people want nor desire 7" tablets.

I still see the possibility of a 6 to 8 inch "iPad". I use quotes because it will almost definitely be something very different from the iPad. Possibly an enterprise play from Apple.
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post #63 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

There is absolutely no evidence that people want nor desire 7" tablets.

7" tablets are being pushed by manufacturers that can't compete with Apple on price for full sized 10" tablets, so suddenly they are trying to create a market segment to fit their shortcomings, not address real end user needs or requirements. It's the same 'ol schtick.

I dunno. I tried out the iPad and the Galaxy Tab at my local Future Shop (not really in the market for either).

The iPad seemed very nice, slick, usable, but a bit heavy for one handed use and too big to really carry casually with you.

The GT on the other hand seemed to have a nicer format to me. It also seemed unpolished and jerky, and the web browser crashed twice in the short amount of time I spent fiddling with it.
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post #64 of 216
1/18/11 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by penchanted View Post

I still see the possibility of a 6 to 8 inch "iPad". I use quotes because it will almost definitely be something very different from the iPad. Possibly an enterprise play from Apple.

Why would they need to change the screen size to make an "enterprise play"? I don't understand this fascination with mid-screen sized "tablets" other than the fuss made by manufacturers forced into the form factor because of their inability to compete toe to toe with Apple with same-sized devices.
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post #65 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:00pm
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Hah. From Dilger to Dillinger - it is conjuring up some funny images. DED articles should have a picture of Daniel outfitted with a tommy gun.

"Shoots first, asks questions later."
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post #66 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by penchanted View Post

At least Apple provided real hands-on with the iPad when they announced it. Not so much the case for all the announced iPad competitors.

Look, I am not saying that there will be no competition to the iPad, but what we have is largely hyperbole from the competition. So, how does Cook (or Jobs) respond? With more hyperbole. It's called marketing.

Well said!

In other news, journo on Apple-flavored tech site promotes Apple against Android.

Sprockkets has 11 ad hominem posts out of 57 covering 2hours... doesn't that seem a tad obsessive?
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post #67 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

I do hope this is bravado, and that internally Apple is taking their competition extremely seriously.

We really don't need to relive the 1980's and early 1990's.

I listened to the earnings call. Tim Cook offered well considered, factual statements -- not bravado.

He avoided taking positions on incompletely-announced or unavailable products -- but indicated that Apple is very much paying attention to, and conscious of the competition.

Apple is doing everything to exploit their advantages: prepaying for parts/production facilities; economies of scale, first to market lead, infrastructure/ecosystem, etc.

A very sober presentation of the facts, IMO.
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post #68 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:03pm
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There is absolutely no evidence that people want nor desire 7" tablets.

7" tablets are being pushed by manufacturers that can't compete with Apple on price for full sized 10" tablets, so suddenly they are trying to create a market segment to fit their shortcomings, not address real end user needs or requirements. It's the same 'ol schtick.

I agree with you that other manufacturers are pushing 7" tablets because of price, but saying that there is no evidence of people wanting 7" tablets is taking that too far. Plenty of people have stated that they would like a smaller tablet, something that will fit in the oversized pocket of a coat/jacket.
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post #69 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by hypercommunist View Post

The iPad seemed very nice, slick, usable, but a bit heavy for one handed use and too big to really carry casually with you.

Compared to a full laptop, or even a netbook the iPad is a featherweight. It's definitely easier to handle than both of those.

And 7" tablets won't fit into a pocket so you are still going to have to carry it.

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The GT on the other hand seemed to have a nicer format to me. It also seemed unpolished and jerky, and the web browser crashed twice in the short amount of time I spent fiddling with it.

So, you really didn't get a chance to evaluate the difference in screen size on the controls and usability between the two. And that's the killer. Superficial suppositions about how something fits in your hand or is easy to be carried around aren't really what will matter in the long term. The long term enjoyment of the device will be governed by how well it actually works - and all reviews of the 7" tablets repeat similar themes compared to this:

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The firm concluded, "the practical effect of this decision is that the Galaxy Tab is effectively an 'over-sized phone' for the purposes of web content. For example, an iPad-style side-navigation section just wont fit on the screen. We think its probably best to treat it as a phone with big pixels rather than a true tablet."

That doesn't sound very compelling - and if anyone has used an iPhone and iPad for any amount of time, the iPad is most definitely not a "blown up iPod Touch". In many ways it is, but in many crucial ways it isn't and those can be summed up in the quote above.

Like netbooks, 7" tablets may have some initial success, but they won't have any long term staying power. You can only fool so many people for so long. And that window is probably getting narrower with each new success from Apple.
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1/18/11 at 7:07pm
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Why would they need to change the screen size to make an "enterprise play"? I don't understand this fascination with mid-screen sized "tablets" other than the fuss made by manufacturers forced into the form factor because of their inability to compete toe to toe with Apple with same-sized devices.

I think there could be a number of industries where a smaller form-factor might be beneficial:
  1. medical settings: hospitals, clinincs, doctor's offfices;
  2. on-site service: cable companies, appliance repair;
  3. courier services

I am sure there are more but those came to mind quickly. None of those would require a 10" tablet and carrying something smaller might prove to be an advantage.
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post #71 of 216
1/18/11 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I listened to the earnings call. Tim Cook offered well considered, factual statements -- not bravado.

He avoided taking positions on incompletely-announced or unavailable products -- but indicated that Apple is very much paying attention to, and conscious of the competition.

Apple is doing everything to exploit their advantages: prepaying for parts/production facilities; economies of scale, first to market lead, infrastructure/ecosystem, etc.

A very sober presentation of the facts, IMO.

Amen, brother.

Cook performed admirably - showing confidence and a command of the landscape as it exist today. And the announcements (3 new prepaid component deals) speak for themselves.
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1/18/11 at 7:10pm
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I agree with you that other manufacturers are pushing 7" tablets because of price, but saying that there is no evidence of people wanting 7" tablets is taking that too far. Plenty of people have stated that they would like a smaller tablet, something that will fit in the oversized pocket of a coat/jacket.

How many people wear oversized coat/jackets? Again this sounds like a form factor hunting for a reason to exist.

People may think they want a smaller tablet. Lots of people thought they wanted a netbook - until they actually had to use one for significant length of time. I can't tell you how many times I would hear people extol the cheapness of netbooks, and then gush about all the ways they augmented their netbooks with upgrades. Often when they got done, they spent more on a netbook than they did on a real notebook and ended up permanently hobbled and eventually dissatisfied.

I have no doubt the same thing will happen with 7" tablets. There will be a bell curve with probably some significant initial sales - the die hard apologists will insist it's the best thing ever even if they are inwardly gritting their teeth - but that's hardly enough to build a viable business strategy on.
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1/18/11 at 7:13pm
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I think there could be a number of industries where a smaller form-factor might be beneficial:

Sure, but now we are in a very small, specialized segment where Sprockets lives.

Sure, they will exist, but edge cases aren't what we are talking about here. At least they aren't what's interesting to me. I find the 80% more interesting.

And as for your examples, an iPod Touch could be just as effective for specialized situations like you are proposing.

There is nothing inherently advantageous for a 7" tablet other than it being a format Apple doesn't have so manufacturers don't have to worry about competing head to head with Apple.
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1/18/11 at 7:14pm
So Cook is the new Apple attack dog-in chief? This does not forebode well for the future if this is the new Apple playbook. Bash others rather than tell us what's forthcoming and that's interesting? Keep flexing Timmy but remember the Karma chameleon will bite your ass if you don't watch out.
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1/18/11 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Is there any particular reason you're hammering away at the idea that there's a niche that requires a Windows tablet in a thread on the iPad?

We know that Windows tablets have found some use in certain specialized markets. It's absolutely true. We concede the point.

So what? The design choices that made these tablets useful as ruggedized server clients running specialized software has made them consumer failures. Hell, it's made them business failures, for the most part, except for the sort of thing you're up to, whatever that may be.

Again, so what? It's entirely beside the point.

Exactly. Completely correct addabox, I'd say he was trolling but for some reason he has over 500 posts
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1/18/11 at 7:18pm
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You'll shut down if you sit in a truck at 110 for extended periods of time.

Apparently that happened but his motherboard would seem to be beyond repair, lol
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1/18/11 at 7:18pm
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I think there could be a number of industries where a smaller form-factor might be beneficial:
  1. medical settings: hospitals, clinincs, doctor's offfices;
  2. on-site service: cable companies, appliance repair;
  3. courier services

I am sure there are more but those came to mind quickly. None of those would require a 10" tablet and carrying something smaller might prove to be an advantage.

Um... these statements from Apple further prove that 7" tablets (6-8", whatever) are not in their future. It isn't gonna happen, ain't never gonna happen, its toast. Kaput. You might think there's a reason for them to exist, but Apple doesn't. This is clear, and about as final as things get.

Anyone who expects Apple to build a 7" tablet may as well be expecting Apple to put Flash on the iPhone.
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1/18/11 at 7:20pm
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Sure, but now we are in a very small, specialized segment where Sprockets lives.

Sure, they will exist, but edge cases aren't what we are talking about here. At least they aren't what's interesting to me. I find the 80% more interesting.

And as for your examples, an iPod Touch could be just as effective for specialized situations like you are proposing.

There is nothing inherently advantageous for a 7" tablet other than it being a format Apple doesn't have so manufacturers don't have to worry about competing head to head with Apple.

I am not sure it's an edge case when you get outside the consumer market. There are a lot of the types of venues in the medical field alone.

One difference is that, were Apple to do a smaller form-factor, they would provide a proper interface for this size, not some down-sized current iPad.

You are most probably right about Apple not doing a smaller format, but I am willing to believe they might despite the their obvious current attitude towards these type devices.
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1/18/11 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by REC View Post

Um... these statements from Apple further prove that 7" tablets (6-8", whatever) are not in their future. It isn't gonna happen, ain't never gonna happen, its toast. Kaput. You might think there's a reason for them to exist, but Apple doesn't. This is clear, and about as final as things get.

Anyone who expects Apple to build a 7" tablet may as well be expecting Apple to put Flash on the iPhone.

Well did you ever expect Apple to make a 9.7" iPod Touch?
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1/18/11 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by REC View Post

Um... these statements from Apple further prove that 7" tablets (6-8", whatever) are not in their future. It isn't gonna happen, ain't never gonna happen, its toast. Kaput. You might think there's a reason for them to exist, but Apple doesn't. This is clear, and about as final as things get.

Anyone who expects Apple to build a 7" tablet may as well be expecting Apple to put Flash on the iPhone.

You mean like they said they would never build a video iPod:
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Mr. Jobs addressed the issue of video on iPods when asked by Mike Wendland of the Detroit Free Press whether or not Apple was looking to add features to the iPod. "We want it to make toast," replied Mr. Jobs. "We're toying with refrigeration, too." While intended to get a laugh, which it did, Mr. Jobs also offered a more substantive answer as to why Apple had heretofore not added too many features to the iPod. "One of the things we say around Apple, and I paraphrase Bill Clinton from the 1992 presidential race, is 'It's about the music, stupid.'" Mr. Jobs says that there is a big difference between the way people listen to music and other activities like watching videos. Specifically, he said, you can listen to music in the background, while movies require that you actually watch them. "You can't watch a video and drive a car," he said. "We're focused on music."
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