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<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8131-2002Jul26.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8131-2002Jul26.html</a>
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I've been waiting for this...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/26/spaceship.sightings/index.html" target="_blank">UFOs</a>

I'd bet anything it was the ISS, and the AF was just making sure.

Jeff

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I've been waiting for this:<a href="http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=ANE070495" target="_blank">UFO</a>

Probably not related to your story.
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So the ISS was showing up on radar? That doesn't sound right. Plus, the way the guy tells his story, it makes it seem like that scene from 3rd Encounters where the spaceships follow the road and are chased by police, only higher up in the sky.
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I don't know why everyone here is mentioning the ISS with this Washpost article. Totally unrelated.

Why can't we except that maybe there was a UFO? My friend and I have seen one. So have other people I know.

Honestly, I hope they come down and help us...we certainly need it with the idiot leaders we have now...
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[quote]UFOs

I'd bet anything it was the ISS, and the AF was just making sure.<hr></blockquote>

That's absurd! Since when could an F-16 fly 250 miles bove the Earth's surface, at speeds in excess of 18000 mph? That suggestion also makes it sound as if those responsible for interpreting radar returns are totally incompetent...

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post #7 of 37
just FYI... waldorf is _nowhere_ near DC.

Good 25-30 miles.


Sounds a bit too -close encounters- for me, though.

oh well.
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I saw a UFO in 1996 on my way up i-195 in NJ. It was about 10pm at night on December 10th. The object was very low flying, shaped like a triangle (think the bottom of the space shuttle). It moved REALLY slow. My roommate and I were driving and saw it approaching, we slowed down to a crawl to watch it but decided not to pull over.

There was a black car following behind us. When the object was out of our site, the car took off. I guess it was driving slow too and then decided to pass us....or....they were making sure we weren't going to take any pictures. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

It was probably just something from McGuire Air Force Base though, since thats pretty close to that area. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:
<strong>It was probably just something from McGuire Air Force Base though, since thats pretty close to that area. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Lots of Phantoms, Tank busters and air transports (C-130) at McGuire. My father works in the area. They hear weird stuff all the time too, but it's a really unlikely place for more, um, interesting stuff.

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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I've been waiting for this...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/26/spaceship.sightings/index.html" target="_blank">UFOs</a>

I'd bet anything it was the ISS, and the AF was just making sure.

Jeff

[ 07-27-2002: Message edited by: jeffyboy ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


How far out does NORAD radar go?

Or...

How LOW is the ISS's trajectory orbit at times?
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Sorry guys. That was me.
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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I've been waiting for this...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/26/spaceship.sightings/index.html" target="_blank">UFOs</a>

I'd bet anything it was the ISS, and the AF was just making sure.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for the link j.

Went to the site mentioned on CNN and discovered that ISS is passing near me at least twice a day for the next two weeks. I just went out to see it and I would understand if people would mistake it for a UFO. Suddenly appearing in the (starless) sky, slowly moving across the sky getting brighter for a couple of minutes and then suddenly disappearing. Looking not at all like a plane (no blinking lights).

It had a magnitude of 0.9. Tomorrow it will be -0.1. Does anyone know how much more bright it will be (in relative tearms)?
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They are going to invade us soon and use us all as sex slaves.

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[quote]Originally posted by soulcrusher:
<strong>They are going to invade us soon and use us all as sex slaves.
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Noooooo !!!
I don't want to end up as a Sex slave !
Noooooo !!!
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The govt are bastards who wont tell you what they are doing. Think of all the strange testing and stuff that goes on. Of course, they are probably tracing this post right now. Damn agents.

I bet it was a UFO.
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[quote]Originally posted by soulcrusher:
<strong>They are going to invade us soon and use us all as sex slaves.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

They'll take the smartest of us and put us into forced breeding programs for the remainder of our lives.

Where's that damned encyclopedia....

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Hmmm, in defense of my ISS theory, jets have mistakenly chased the planet Venus before, but the radar hits don't make much sense, I guess.

I hope I didn't give "them" any ideas for a cover story!

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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>

Thanks for the link j.

Went to the site mentioned on CNN and discovered that ISS is passing near me at least twice a day for the next two weeks. I just went out to see it and I would understand if people would mistake it for a UFO. Suddenly appearing in the (starless) sky, slowly moving across the sky getting brighter for a couple of minutes and then suddenly disappearing. Looking not at all like a plane (no blinking lights).

It had a magnitude of 0.9. Tomorrow it will be -0.1. Does anyone know how much more bright it will be (in relative tearms)?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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from
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Definition of "Magnitude"

This is a measure of the brightness of a celestial object. The lower the value, the brighter the object, so magnitude -4 is brighter than magnitude 0, which is in turn brighter than magnitude +4. The scale is logarithmic, and a difference of 5 magnitudes means a brightness difference of exactly 100 times. A difference of one magnitude corresponds to a brightness difference of around 2.51 (the fifth root of 100).

The system was started by the ancient Greeks, who divided the stars into one of six magnitude groups
with stars of the first magnitude being the first ones to be visible after sunset. In modern times, the scale has been extended in both directions and more strictly defined.

** Some objects vary in magnitude **

Examples of magnitude values for well-known objects are;
Sun -26.7 (about 400 000 times brighter than full Moon!)
Full Moon -12.7
Brightest Iridium flares -8
Venus (at brightest) -4.4
International Space Station -2
Sirius (brightest star) -1.44
Limit of human eye +6 to +7
Limit of 10x50 binoculars +9
Pluto +14
Limit of Hubble Space Telescope +30

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from DistantSuns

The 15 Brightest Stars. . .

magnitude distance* \tname\t\t\t
(light years)
-27\t-\tSun (aka Sol)
-1.46\t8.6\tSirius
-0.72\t39\tCanopus
-0.29\t5.91\tAlpha Centauri
-0.06\t375\tArcturus (Bootes 'tail'. see below)
0.04\t26.27\tVega
0.08\t45.92\tCapella
0.14\t815\tRigel (Yellow/White Orion 'foot')
0.37\t11.41\tProcyon
0.48\t127\tAchernar
0.60\t\tBeta Centauri
0.76\t16.6\tAltair
0.80\t520\tBetelgeuse (Red giant Orion 'hand')
0.85\t68.5\tAldebaran (Red giant in Taurus)
0.87\t4.35\tAlpha Centauri

--

right now, venus is magnitude -4.0 and clearly the brightest object in the evening sky (behind the moon). Jupiter is -1.7, and Mercury is -1.2, but both are too close to the sun to see without scopes now.

Antares, the red giant in Scorpio (lower sw from venus) is 1.06. Arcturus, the brightest star in Bootes (up and left from venus and straight back off the handle of the big dipper) is -.05, so the ISS will go from the apparent brightness of a non-spherical red giant 700 times the size of our sun to the apparent brightness of a star 115 times as luminous as our sun, 25 times its diameter, but only 4 times its mass. &lt;info from Distant Suns SETI@Home edition&gt;


according to the original <a href="http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/reference/index.html" target="_blank">ISS construction plans</a> (before GWB), once completed the ISS would become the 3rd brighest object in the sky, regularly visible in daytime due to more than 400 metres of solar panels. don't expect the current lack of vision to help it become that visible.

if you're keen, check <a href="http://www.hq.nasa.gov/osf/" target="_blank">NASA Office of Space Flight</a> for more links

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and for those who think it was the ISS the pilots were chasing, Space Radar currently tracks more than 4000 objects in orbit ranging from the ISS to wrenches that get dropped on spacewalks... they don't bother sending planes after things they already have tracking paths for... only for the unusual or unexpected traffic. while ISS is unusual, it's orbital tracks are common enough knowledge to fill updated websites with... and that pilot is gonna get razzed by the squadron after trying to catch an orbital 18000 mph 'blip'

speculation after its gone doesn't worry the air force
there'd be a lot more explaining if they'd caught something
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post #19 of 37
I'm pretty sure I was the only one who thought it was ISS. I stand corrected. :o

Dang it, I've been waiting two days to be all snarky and smug and dismiss a UFO sighting like that, though!
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post #20 of 37
I live about two hours away in Delaware,there were a couple of sightings here last week:

<a href="http://www.delmarvanow.com/deweybeach/stories/20020724/290172.html" target="_blank">http://www.delmarvanow.com/deweybeach/stories/20020724/290172.html</a>
post #21 of 37
ISS course changes are mainly up and down (z-axis) for altitude correction... limited x and y except maneuvering and docking

bright lights that radically change direction ain't our orbital trio of alphanauts

ball lightning can change directions at those speeds...
after all, it's lightning

but getting probed by alien lightning? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

until it's documented, it'll remain UFO
with probably 0.000002% odds it was Elvis
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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
Hmmm, in defense of my ISS theory, jets have mistakenly chased the planet Venus before, but the radar hits don't make much sense, I guess.<hr></blockquote>


*slowly bonks forehead against his desk - repeatedly*

Jeff, whatever you do in life, I want you to promise me you will not become an attourney.


Getting back to the story at hand, I have the following comments:

1. Regarding the proximity to DC, traveling 25 miles seems like a long ways until you consider an F-16 travelling at 600 mph (just below the speed of sound at sea level) could cover that distance in 2.5 minutes. Either way it's likely they were clearly audible in the immediate metro area.

2. The blue object the guy saw could've been the first plane's afterburner. When viewed at certain angles it would appear as a blue triangle, and if the first plane had say a half-mile separation from the second plane (not unlikely) it would give the appearance that the second plane was "left in the dust"

Either way there's not enough detail from the witness' statement to determine whether he knows enough about low-flying aircraft to make a reliable statement.

3. If it was a UFO in the X-Files sense, does anyone really think the Air Force or NORAD would cop to it? Common. They're not going to feed "UFO's are real" to the press - not unless they want riots or general public hysteria.

4. I will submit to being a sex slave, so long as my master looks like Catherine Zeta Jones (or other magically babe-licious type).

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post #23 of 37
I promise, and sorry about your head, Moogs!

But, really, it COULD have been the space statio..

Kidding, Kidding!


They said in the article it was a routine launch, so that means they often send planes up to chase an object that just disappears?
:confused:

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post #24 of 37
Maybe it's like when hunters shoot at clay birds? They launch something into the air and the fighters try to catch it.
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Interestingly, it seems someting similar happened exactly fifty years ago

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31625-2002Jul19.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31625-2002Jul19.html</a>

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Jeff:

Yah, I'm sure there are quite a few "standard launches / pursuits" that turn out to be nothing - bad radar return, flock of birds, recreational aircraft (gliders, etc)...so it's logical this is what they would report. Really the only way they'd report something different is if they had actually intercepted some type of aircraft that was stolen / involved in drug smuggling / suspected of terrorist activities, etc.

Also: possible it was a UFO that they simply couldn't identify because they couldn't get close enough, and so what do they eventually report? "Standard launch...nothing to report here sir, move along sir."

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It's too bad Renny Rogers (why do I feel like Scooby Doo when I read that?) didn't have a video camera at the time. I love a good shakily-shot clip of a blob of light with heavy breathing in the background.

Do you guys remember the "triangle" UFO's of a few years ago? That was pretty impressive footage. The government said it was normal aircraft jettisoning flares. I wonder, though...
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post #28 of 37
That's what it was. There were no actual photos of a craft that had a visible body. All there were were night-time videos of this traingular light formation. The explanation given is a very plausible one I think. Very easy for the wind patterns to move those flares in unison as well, to give the impression of a single body moving across the sky.

As for the big triangular thing people saw over their homes in broad daylight, who knows. Imagined, stealth bomber derivative, drone, LSD...

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post #29 of 37
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>just FYI... waldorf is _nowhere_ near DC.

Good 25-30 miles.


Sounds a bit too -close encounters- for me, though.

oh well. </strong><hr></blockquote>

dude, that's only a few minutes, if that, for an F-16.
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I have seen a UFO, actually my whole family has seen one. Over the ocean at our beach house ( in the middle of nowhere). You could see a faint outline and five blue lights came on they looked like interior lights or something but they lit up the house and all of us. Then the faint outline dissapeared and all you could see where the lights. Then they blinked out and a weird humming sound started. The dogs ran under the bed and every cricket ect stoped all you could here was the humming which continued for hours. At about 3:00 the humming stoped but no bugs made any sound the rest of the night. Then two nights later the humming came back. We never saw the craft again but you could feel it. It felt like it was in the backyard. When I went downstairs (I was outside) all the hair on my back stood up. Man if you could say hearing was believing this would be it. I didn't sleep the whole night. Plus our neigbor has also seen one. So yes I believe. In time.
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post #31 of 37
I'm kinda hoping they will blow up washington DC (like in the movie). They need the get the IRS,Senate,FBI,NSA,CIA,WHITEHOUSE... ect how about I say everything. And the part about being there sex slaves what if they are really hot then it would be ok. Or maybe they are shape changers and can turn themsleves into beautiful playboy models. YES I AM BEING HUMOROUS!!!!!! but think about it would you I mean would you??? I NEEEEEEEDDDDDDD HEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP!!!!!!! hehe
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post #32 of 37
I betcha million bucks everyone on this board has seen a UFO.

But I guess that's just being overly semantic.
post #33 of 37
all this hoopla is prolly for the movie "signs"... they're investing tons of money on marketing for this movie... they even built crop cirles in various areas of the country to create a fake "scare". lol... it was on msnbc and fox news.
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I cant beleive no one has thought about the possibility that it could have just been a small unmanned aircraft....(i.e. HiMAT(sp?))

attach many SUPER BRIGHT Xenon or better lights and you have a UFO....
ofcourse it could of been a training mission or drill using a HiMAT like aircraft, which if you ever heard of HiMAT would know that ALL the research/chase craft COULDNT keep up, HiMAT can turn faster than any other manned jet today, and is quite speedy....
ofcourse were talking technology from the 70's?
as for the radar signature dissapearing....
consider this, a disc like shaped aircraft, unmanned, with body panels that slide out of the skin that are radar absorbant
also consider the fact that this sighting occured at night, possibly so as to not reveal these stealthy retractable panels in the light of day

with the (previously blinding) lights off, and the absorbant panels full out, its not unthinkable for it to have happened, as is to this date the BEST explanation to what happened....

its actually the only plausible event I could think happened.....

and think about this, why would the USAF admit they had such a beauty?

the radar absorbent panels or targa-skin, the bright bright light, the razor sharp handling and break-neck speeds.... and the sudden dissapearance from NORAAD radar and the visual contact loss from the pilots.....

it all sounds like an unmanned aircraft to me, man made(or atleast man-conceived, computer made lol), earthly, and very much not the ISS.... or the blue trail from a F-16, although the blue trail is a VERY damn good idea, just doesnt explain the radar signature :cool: :cool:
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Speaking of U.F.O. (Unidentified Flying Object) over D.C.'s airspace.

Has anyone find out more about that UFO that showed up over D.C.'s airspace in 11th September 2001? You know, the one that crashed into the Pentagon, but was claimed by American Airlines that it's one of their crafts.

Note: U.F.O. (Unidentified Flying Object) is a general term. Which can mean from an unidentified missile to an unidentified craft piloted by unidentified people. If you're flying a craft that is not known by some people, you're flying an U.F.O.

Back to U.F.O., as in an U.F.O. that doesn't look like any known craft.

In 11th September 2001, after the second crash toward the second tower, something pass by at high speed. The speed of the object is too fast that the camera only see it as a blur.

This is no Internet hoax may I remind you, while some pictures in Internet are indeed hoax d(or to be more exact, an altered version of the real news clip), the actual news clip is real, and it was used by many news media when representing the 11th September 2001 news.

If you pay attention to that news cllip, something does indeed pass by at high speed. But... what is it?
post #36 of 37
uh well.... you surround a top secret military aircraft with a bright blueish light and you'd get a "UFO"

besides, HiMAT was the 70's(i think) so immagine what is available to the USAF NOW

oh and when I said disc or saucer shaped, I meant the same style that the SR-71 used, and the current publicly known UAV: Predator

so think of a cross between a delta wing and a disc with the same style fin leading from the nose like the Blackbird(SR71)
and you will probably have something close to the vehicle that showed up recently

also, it should be noted that the craft never flew "over" the whitehouse, as a military officer you wouldnt want something to go wrong and end up killing your boss would you? ok dont everyone answer that.....

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post #37 of 37
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have active service, supersonic RPVs. Probably have had them for years.
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