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"It thrills me when my young children pick up their iDevices and enjoy them, without asking for help, or need of a manual. To me that says it in a nutshell. The other day a friend mocked my iPad, "its a toy", you know why they say this, because its so easy t use, hence they get confused.
But hang on are not computers meant to be hard to use, this is serious stuff we are using, don't let your 7 year old touch it, they will break it.
So I think that the greatest accomplishment of Apple is that it has given computers to the masses, simple and elegant to use, underneath, amazing technology, much of it, leading-edge."

Well said!
I have been saying this to friends since the 80s and it seems now in the 21st century that the Apple 'vision' which the Steves dreamed of and strived towards from the 70s onwards, is finally coming true on a global scale, albeit not with the Mac as the champion product. Sure, it's a matter of choice and always has been, but too many people credit Bill Gates and Windows for the OS revolution forgetting the history of Windows origins. Also often forgotten is the simple reality that new computer users, such as children and the elderly are baffled by non-Apple approaches to user interaction and operating systems, in particular Windows. I like many others benefitted from using Apple computers through school and then university, choosing to ignore the awful Windows PCs that gathered dust in the corner, only to join the workforce and be forced to use Windows in the enterprise, which results in frustration and confusion until you decipher the non-user friendliness of the whole operation.
Sure, Windows has improved dramatically with the arrival of Windows 7, their most Apple like OS ever, but it has taken an apparent eternity to get there from the promises and hype of Windows 95.
Traditionally, non-Apple OSs make no logical sense to the new user, only to the Administrators who do it for a living or a time consuming hobby or both. It doesn't need to be like that, and it never has, but it has taken a quarter of a century and a number of revolutionary products for people to start realising this.
It is also interesting that many companies continue to dismiss Apple because of their "integrated" approach, prefering the so called "open" approach that Windows and now Android champions. But the end result is neither engages or provides any great benefit to the end user, and it is so easy to forget that end users make up 99% of the population, not administrators. Just my two cents.

Thanks for the comment on my post.
Yes, what you also wrote is too true, but slowly, although gathering much pace, the worm turns, and it is Apple leading the way.
I have to use a PC at work, here is how a typical days goes by:
1. Boot up (with a few minutes)
2. Okay, Outlook is down for the zillionith time, re-boot
3. Still down, notify help desk, "yes we know there is a proble, looking into it:
4. Communicator is down, when its not, get missed calls, ghosts at the other end
Maybe I'm holding the receiver wrong lol !
5. If I'm call that week, I lug the wonderful brilliant and amazing Dell laptop home
"Dad why are you bringing that piece of crap (our code for PCs) into our home ? The kids ask
6. It takes 5 mins and 7 secs to boot the Dell (my 10 year old G4 takes 15 secs) and my
5 year old MBP takes about 45 secs, go figure ?

I HATE everything M$, why ? Because they make garbage its that simple, and most people are sucked into a vacuum of zero class, poor design, crappy quality, non-existant support, and an OS that was devised by a person in a straight jacket.

I'm am SO HAPPY when I can use my Macs, the same sentiment from my high school son, as the school mainly has PCs that either don't work, or are so full of M$ rot, that they need to be thrown out. Why oh why are schools in Australia purchasing windoze machines, when Macs are MUCH cheaper over time. No windoze rot, no viruses, better security, brilliant UI, robust design - perfect for kids, elegant, ease of use, hold their resell value much better, and last far longer than PCs. I am still amazed and frustrated with schools.
post #42 of 126
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post

I feel so exclusive being in the .1% that simply thinks unit sales is by far the most useless metric for any business. It simply doesn't matter. High units for little revenue is a terrible business model, most if not all investors should care about that. The same is true of profitability.

You must not know much at all about business then. Do you think advertisers and app developers don't care about unit sales? You wouldn't want to be in the banking business making fractions of a percent, but on hundreds of billions of dollars? Sorry to inform you but, there are plenty of stable and profitable businesses that operate on high volume, low margin strategies to make way way more than you ever will. In fact, one of the most remarkable things about Apple's latest stretch is their ability to maintain their margins. Usually high margin businesses have a much shorter day in the sun before their margins drop, or they simply fail.
post #43 of 126
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Wow! This is utterly amazing! I know it's competition and good for the consumer, but schmidt/google really screwed over Stevo by getting the inside scoop while sitting on apple's board. Just think how much apple would've sold without android phones pretending to be just as good as the iPhone? Oh well, I know I should just get over it and move on. But it was a dirty deal none the less!

I think Apple will be flying far ahead MS in revenue for this holiday quarter. A milestone.

Getting ahead of MS in net income is a harder task as MS nets about 35% while Apple is 22% due to the nature of their core markets. I think sometime this calendar year Apple will also best MS in income. Another milestone.

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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Anyone selling commodities, or advertising. For example, Google is not interested in the revenue or profits from the sales of Android phones, they don't get any of it. They do care about unit sales of Android because that drives ad impressions and use of Google search and other products, which in turn is a revenue driver for Google.

Excellent point and rebuttal to my query. I should have worded it more clearly to include the context of the handset market.
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post #44 of 126
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Did you forget you sarcasm quotes?????? The only thing that matters to investors is how much money a company is making - its why then invest. Small unit count with high ROI is much much much (put as many as you like) more interesting to investors than high unit count with low ROI.

Investors that put money into 'eyeballs' or 'clicks' only do so because they believe the business model will eventually turn those into large ROIs. If it doesn't say bye-bye to your money.

Uh no. Investors look at reward vs risk. They invest a tremendous ammount of money in low return, low risk investments like government bonds, investment grade corporate bonds, utilities and so forth. Things with low rates of return and low growth potential. Much much more money than is invested in high margin high growth companies.

Historically, investors following value investing strategies have outperformed those who invest in high growth stocks, over the long haul. Betting on a Google, Apple, Amazon etc. is risky and while there can be huge rewards, you can also lose plenty, if not everything. Most tech companies that show a lot of promise fail. Apple almost did.
post #45 of 126
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I think Apple will be flying far ahead MS in revenue for this holiday quarter. A milestone.

Getting ahead of MS in net income is a harder task as MS nets about 35% while Apple is 22% due to the nature of their core markets. I think sometime this calendar year Apple will also best MS in income. Another milestone.

Microsoft's day has passed barring a sudden change out of Redmond. The tablet market is in its infancy, and quite frankly, the iPad and it soon to appear competitors are barely scratching the surface of their potential. In a few years the CPU power will be higher, there will be better connectivity to 3rd party devices, and the OS's will evolve to allow them to perform more and more of the tasks that currently require a PC. And most of them will be running OS's that don't come from MS (baring the unforseen ability of MS to actually get back in the game). The paradigm shift of pocket and tablet computing will erode MS's revenue and margins, so rather than it being a "harder task" to beat MS's income, I think it will simply be a slower task, with much of the "hard work" being shared by Apple, Google, RIM, and many of the companies that used to be MS's partners including Intel, IBM, HP, Dell, etc.
post #46 of 126
In time Apple will also have the crown for the most number of units sold. Just you wait.

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post #47 of 126
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Thanks for the comment on my post.
Yes, what you also wrote is too true, but slowly, although gathering much pace, the worm turns, and it is Apple leading the way.
I have to use a PC at work, here is how a typical days goes by:
1. Boot up (with a few minutes)
2. Okay, Outlook is down for the zillionith time, re-boot
3. Still down, notify help desk, "yes we know there is a proble, looking into it:
4. Communicator is down, when its not, get missed calls, ghosts at the other end
Maybe I'm holding the receiver wrong lol !
5. If I'm call that week, I lug the wonderful brilliant and amazing Dell laptop home
"Dad why are you bringing that piece of crap (our code for PCs) into our home ? The kids ask
6. It takes 5 mins and 7 secs to boot the Dell (my 10 year old G4 takes 15 secs) and my
5 year old MBP takes about 45 secs, go figure ?

I HATE everything M$, why ? Because they make garbage its that simple, and most people are sucked into a vacuum of zero class, poor design, crappy quality, non-existant support, and an OS that was devised by a person in a straight jacket.

I'm am SO HAPPY when I can use my Macs, the same sentiment from my high school son, as the school mainly has PCs that either don't work, or are so full of M$ rot, that they need to be thrown out. Why oh why are schools in Australia purchasing windoze machines, when Macs are MUCH cheaper over time. No windoze rot, no viruses, better security, brilliant UI, robust design - perfect for kids, elegant, ease of use, hold their resell value much better, and last far longer than PCs. I am still amazed and frustrated with schools.

I hear u WH. My GF works in the school system and some D**kh**d purchaser went for cheap MS machines that she says are just about unusable! We have macs at home and she thinks I'm a genius for introducing her to them! Needless to say I'm not a genius! Best and enjoyed reading your comments!

PS. Best app I bought is TomTom gps really enjoying it! $35! Really recommend it over a stand alone unit! (no affiliation, just a great app) best
post #48 of 126
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Microsoft's day has passed barring a sudden change out of Redmond. The tablet market is in its infancy, and quite frankly, the iPad and it soon to appear competitors are barely scratching the surface of their potential. In a few years the CPU power will be higher, there will be better connectivity to 3rd party devices, and the OS's will evolve to allow them to perform more and more of the tasks that currently require a PC. And most of them will be running OS's that don't come from MS (baring the unforseen ability of MS to actually get back in the game). The paradigm shift of pocket and tablet computing will erode MS's revenue and margins, so rather than it being a "harder task" to beat MS's income, I think it will simply be a slower task, with much of the "hard work" being shared by Apple, Google, RIM, and many of the companies that used to be MS's partners including Intel, IBM, HP, Dell, etc.

Possibly, but we have to keep in mind that MS is still making record revenue and profits (still more profit than Apple) despite their lack of mindshare. They even had a recent, huge success with the Kinect. I dont think well know the state of MS until they start to actually drop in revenue and profit YoY.

These might be the signs of MS weakening but they are well entrenched and make more profit in a non-holiday quarter than Apples market value was when they trimmed the fat and reorganized themselves to get back on track. In other words, MS will have to many more misteps than they have until they are in a place like Palm, Moto and others.
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post #49 of 126
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PS. Best app I bought is TomTom gps really enjoying it! $35! Really recommend it over a stand alone unit! (no affiliation, just a great app) best

If I didnt own the app Id think you had an affiliation with TomTom the way you pimp this app. Its really great. The new instance OTA maps updates with v1.6 are great.
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post #50 of 126
Nokia and New Zealand suck!
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post #51 of 126
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If I didn’t own the app I’d think you had an affiliation with TomTom the way you pimp this app. It’s really great. The new instance OTA maps updates with v1.6 are great.

Thanks, S...yep! I'm very interested in what everyone else is enjoying as far as Apps! Just throwing it out there! I know u know this, S, but the more I can get my IPhone to do, makes for less gadgets I have to "worry" about! Sold all my cameras, gave away all my iPods, didn't have to buy a stand alone Gps! The iPhone 4 is so f'ng cool!

PS. A great app for runners is the Nike + gps. You don't have to wear the "Thingy" in ur shoe anymore! Sorry off topic!
post #52 of 126
Nothing much. That's just the old fishhead logo in Espoo starting to stink.

http://everyjoe.com/technology/nokia...go-was-a-fish/

I figured Nokia's market share would be challenged by the increase of cheap Android smartphones. They'll build Android smartphones for less and less money since there's no licensing fees. Why buy a Nokia dumb-phone when you can get some Android smartphone for the same price? The industry changed so fast on Nokia, I don't know if they'll ever be the same. I know that some company has to produce cellphones for third-world nations, but if Nokia has a hard time selling high-end smartphones, where are the profits going to come from. They keep saying everything is alright, but it certainly doesn't look that way as Android smartphones have taken mid-priced market and are soon working their way down to the low-end market. Apple seems to have the high-end in its back pocket, so where does Nokia go from here? There's a huge market of cellphone users out there, but with two huge companies with money to spare grabbing everything, it gets tougher for the slow to move companies and the companies that can't spend lots of money for R&D.

It's really amazing that Apple was able to change an entire industry in a few years and it wasn't even a market that Apple had any experience in. Cellphones were cellphones but Apple managed to change them into hand-held computers that did double duty as cellphones. I guess the Palm Treo could do those things, too, but Palm couldn't follow through with the touch interface.
post #53 of 126
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I think Apple will be flying far ahead MS in revenue for this holiday quarter. A milestone.

Getting ahead of MS in net income is a harder task as MS nets about 35% while Apple is 22% due to the nature of their core markets. I think sometime this calendar year Apple will also best MS in income. Another milestone.


Excellent point and rebuttal to my query. I should have worded it more clearly to include the context of the handset market.

With the introduction of the Verizon iPhone, I figure Apple would easily jump ahead. I'm sure the Verizon iPhone is going to be in great demand by present Verizon users and I'll bet there'll be defectors from T-Mobile and Sprint wanting iPhones. If the iPad is geared up for 3 million units a month production and is available around the world, that would have to be an immense jump in revenue. There's still a wild card with the Maiden, N.C. data center. Apple is going to pull some announcement linked to it that will probably blow everyone away.
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With the introduction of the Verizon iPhone, I figure Apple would easily jump ahead. I'm sure the Verizon iPhone is going to be in great demand by present Verizon users and I'll bet there'll be defectors from T-Mobile and Sprint wanting iPhones. If the iPad is geared up for 3 million units a month production and is available around the world, that would have to be an immense jump in revenue. There's still a wild card with the Maiden, N.C. data center. Apple is going to pull some announcement linked to it that will probably blow everyone away.

Yep, C. It's going to be very exciting. The new ipad, Lion and the iPhone 5, too! Can't wait!

Best!
post #55 of 126
Nokia made big money in the smartphone space with great hardware. But they didn't keep up with Apple in the smartphone software race and now they're toast.

Remember that little fact every time you hear a hater say that Apple just sells "shinier devices." I'm sure Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo does.

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You must not know much at all about business then. Do you think advertisers and app developers don't care about unit sales? You wouldn't want to be in the banking business making fractions of a percent, but on hundreds of billions of dollars? Sorry to inform you but, there are plenty of stable and profitable businesses that operate on high volume, low margin strategies to make way way more than you ever will. In fact, one of the most remarkable things about Apple's latest stretch is their ability to maintain their margins. Usually high margin businesses have a much shorter day in the sun before their margins drop, or they simply fail.

Of course Google needs unit sales to ensure that they are on as many handhelds as possible to generate the ad business they need to survive. Likewise it is inaccurate to say that Apple doesn't care about units sold. But your analogy to the banking industry, of which I have a fairly deep background is completely off-base for the purposes of your argument.If anything you needed to look at ROI for any given instrument - the higher the ROI the better the profitability and the more resources available to offer through the instruments - investments, mortgages etc. In fact your analogy fails at exactly the same place the finance industry nearly failed not so long ago. [EDIT:]For example, banks offer accounts to manage money through, some pay a small interest rate, most have some kind of fees associated with them. Categorically they have many many more bank accounts than they have investment funds, loans or mortgages, however the loans, funds and mortgages makes a much higher return than the bank accounts per unit - which is why banks didn't object when the Banking Act was pushed through to allow insurance companies and investment firms to offer bank accounts as well, and why they do not particularly concern themselves with competition from credit unions for accounts.

So yes high volume, low margin can be a viable business model and has served Michael Dell (for example) and scores of others well during the initial phases of PC market growth. But you are seeing now the maturing of the PC market, and the Dell model leaves no room for switching to the more viable moderate volume higher margin strategy. That fact is demonstrated in Apple's continued double-digit growth in a slowly flattening market growth curve. It was demonstrated in the car industry as well. Convention wisdom in the past has been to cut margins to maintain marketshare - the proverbial "race to the bottom". As you lower margins you become increasingly vulnerable to market fluctuations in parts prices, you have to (as Dell did a decade ago by laying off their design team and other staff) reduce overhead to keep your costs as low as possible and so on. You have to go lowest commodity price on your parts, your quality suffers and you lose marketshare, through customer dissatisfaction.

Why do you think Apple has the highest customer satisfaction rating in the industry? Why do you think they have the highest retention and loyalty? Compare to companies like Honda, Mercedes Benz, Volvo. There are reasons behind these successes and they aren't due to the high volume/low margin model.
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Uh no. Investors look at reward vs risk. They invest a tremendous ammount of money in low return, low risk investments like government bonds, investment grade corporate bonds, utilities and so forth. Things with low rates of return and low growth potential. Much much more money than is invested in high margin high growth companies.

Historically, investors following value investing strategies have outperformed those who invest in high growth stocks, over the long haul. Betting on a Google, Apple, Amazon etc. is risky and while there can be huge rewards, you can also lose plenty, if not everything. Most tech companies that show a lot of promise fail. Apple almost did.

You need to be clearer here with your example. The investors you are talking about are risk averse investors of the institutional variety - fund managers and the like. You are lumping together a multitude of different investors under only one rubric, which unwise and misleading. Like saying there are fish in the ocean - true, but hardly representative of the actual diversity and relative populations*. And investors look not just at reward versus risk, there are many other factors that going into investment decisioning - health of the market, segment performance, segment maturity, long-term and short-term performance, company management, supply-side resources, internal viability, and so on. Your last paragraph is chock-a-block with questionable truisms that I have no desire to address at this point.

*there are approximately 2 million known different species of marine life in the world's oceans. Of that number, there are 15,304 known species of fish and 194,696 to 214,696 known species of animals and plants, which are critical elements in the ecosystem that supports the fish species. Just in case you were curious.
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Why oh why are schools in Australia purchasing windoze machines, when Macs are MUCH cheaper over time.

Pretty simple answer really. When your kid starts his/her first job it's 90% probable that he/she will be given a windoze machine.
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Like saying there are fish in the ocean - true, but hardly representative of the actual diversity and relative populations*.

*there are approximately 2 million known different species of marine life in the world's oceans. Of that number, there are 15,304 known species of fish and 194,696 to 214,696 known species of animals and plants, which are critical elements in the ecosystem that supports the fish species. Just in case you were curious.

Is there such a thing as a fish?
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

"in the universe" or "in the Milky Way Galaxy" has a nice ring to it too.

Till Underverse come.
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post

Pretty simple answer really. When your kid starts his/her first job it's 90% probable that he/she will be given a windoze machine.

I think it's up to us to change that.
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What's that your now saying Steve Balmer?
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I prefer The Verse. Ohh, I think Ill start referring to trolls as Reavers.

Which makes sense, since the iPhone is so shiny!
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Daniel, the term is: "in the world". Not: "on earth".

Who on earth told you that?
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I prefer The Verse. Ohh, I think Ill start referring to trolls as Reavers.

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This is such a technical victory though. Who cares? and more importantly, why write a story about it? "By revenue" is only important if you are concerned about how much money Apple is making and running the company. It doesn't even matter to investors.

"The worlds biggest cell phone maker" is the company that makes the most cellphones. Technical metrics like how much money they generate are just not relevant to "who's the biggest" for 99.9% of the population.

I simply can't believe you just wrote this twaddle! So if some cheap crap is given away, makes no profits but there is more of 'it' ... then that company is doing better?
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This should probably be titled "Apple now the highest-revenue phone vendor on earth," or something like that. Because Nokia is a larger company and sells more phones, in terms of # of units. Apple just happens to make a lot more per phone.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats.

I'm pretty sure Nokia would trade in total units for total profits any day of the week.
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Pretty simple answer really. When your kid starts his/her first job it's 90% probable that he/she will be given a windoze machine.

You just might get a shock. By the time those kids graduate PCs and Windows will be remembered by old folks like LPs are today.
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Originally Posted by john galt View Post

Eventually, people making major IT purchase decisions will catch on. In the late 70s, the saying went "no one ever got fired for specifying IBM" when it came to buying computers or other business equipment. Similarly, Microsoft has been the "safe" choice too. That won't last forever.

Sadly the IT types (I just have to laugh at the way they assume 'information technology' equates to using Windows) will mostly go down fighting I suspect as they cling to their MS certificates and sense of self importance. They only have jobs due to the fact Windows is such a pile of 1970's crap and nightmare to run for most humans. For them to embrace Apple means the end of their careers. Having said that, I know a few that now have iPads and even MacBooks in their closets.
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This is such a technical victory though. Who cares? and more importantly, why write a story about it? "By revenue" is only important if you are concerned about how much money Apple is making and running the company. It doesn't even matter to investors.

"The worlds biggest cell phone maker" is the company that makes the most cellphones. Technical metrics like how much money they generate are just not relevant to "who's the biggest" for 99.9% of the population.

Of course it matters to investors.

Does 99.9% of the population care about which company makes the most phones?
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You just might get a shock. By the time those kids graduate PCs and Windows will be remembered by old folks like LPs are today.

Which also means Macs going the same way. How are schools supposed to train kids on FUTURE devices? Perhaps use Android slates on a Cloud
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Which also means Macs going the same way. How are schools supposed to train kids on FUTURE devices? Perhaps use Android slates on a Cloud

I'd agree on Macs as such but I think iOS is the future for a while at least (which was my far too subtle point). The argument for using MS as a basis for the future is far from sound IMHO.
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I'm pretty sure Nokia would trade in total units for total profits any day of the week.

You can bet the farm on that. Who on earth (I mean in this World, sorry Ireland) started the thread that volume was better than profits?
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Enjoying the new Mac Pro ... it's smokin'
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini.
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post #74 of 126
Agreed. I just hope we are not waiting another generation for a true global shift in the IT sector. Your reference to IBM is also spot on. Time will tell I guess.
post #75 of 126
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I think iOS is the future for a while at least (which was my far too subtle point).

So in 5~10 years time you think that 90% of all businesses Worldwide (or is that Earthwide ) will be using iOS devices as their primary computing system.
That's a bold call
I will NEVER pay $679 for an 8GB plastic cell phone
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I will NEVER pay $679 for an 8GB plastic cell phone
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post #76 of 126
Wow! You just described my day White Rabbit!
I also agree about your comments on Windows, but it's so easy to forget that MS did not start their lucrative business by being in the OS business. They are a software company and always have been. They made some incredible opportunistic business moves to get into the OS game ... moves that were opportunistic but highly unethical and arguably illegal. So I am not surprised their quality is always poor. The real credit goes to the millions of IT professionals who keep the leaky boat afloat ... but they also love Windows as it keeps them all primarily employed.
As for schools, you are spot on. The long term value of Apple computers cannot be denied. After 3 years of ownership you are effectively saving money from then on. I still have a late 90s iMac that works great! But Kevin Dudd was never going to buy Apple because the people in his ear would have all been MS minions. If they were really bold they could have chosen Linux in some form! That would have been impressive. And to be honest, while we all bag PCs, once you remove Windows many machines run well and better than ever before, although I have had endless problems with Dell machines. Having Windows on a machine is like buying a sports car, then putting 2 sumo wrestlers in the back seat! Take off Windows and the speed returns and the pressure on parts is reduced. A vague comparison I know, but that's how it feels and it has felt that way since the 80s. Have a great day!
post #77 of 126
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Originally Posted by crustyjusty View Post

This should probably be titled "Apple now the highest-revenue phone vendor on earth," or something like that. Because Nokia is a larger company and sells more phones, in terms of # of units. Apple just happens to make a lot more per phone.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats.

I think they would prefer to be in Apple position somehow.
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Uh no. Investors look at reward vs risk. They invest a tremendous ammount of money in low return, low risk investments like government bonds, investment grade corporate bonds, utilities and so forth. Things with low rates of return and low growth potential. Much much more money than is invested in high margin high growth companies.

Historically, investors following value investing strategies have outperformed those who invest in high growth stocks, over the long haul. Betting on a Google, Apple, Amazon etc. is risky and while there can be huge rewards, you can also lose plenty, if not everything. Most tech companies that show a lot of promise fail. Apple almost did.

You are, of course correct, but off point. The issue in the original point was unit count vs revenue, not high vs low risk. Given a the choice between a company with A) low unit sale but high ROI or B) high unit sale but low ROI the investor will always choose A. Unit count is irrelevant UNLESS it impact profits, which is clearly NOT the case with Apple. It could impact profits if it was so low as to discourage development for the platform - again not the case here.
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Why don't you go buy a 599 N7 to help out Nokia?

How much is that in real dollars. I can't be bothered looking.

Comparing a 23% VAT included unsubsidised pre-order price with a subsidised street price again Hill60? Facts are what they are, why skew them intentionally?
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Consumers want quality, finish, excellent customer service, and good value for their money.

But with Apple, one of those is not something you get is it? Ot to be honest, all of those are in the eye of the beholder and one of the arguments I cannot undersign personally.

In addition with Apple you get:
- Effortless user experience
- Arbitrary limitations, which don't seem to bother the masses at least yet.

The question I've been wondering is if it will start bothering the masses once/if Apple goes a bit out of fashion when say Android or someone else becomes "the fashionable"? One of the feelings I've gotten when talking to "joe users" is that at first, Apple cannot do wrong. Once they've bought into it they say "but these restrictions and oversimplifications started to bug me. I'm not changing yet, but Android looks interesting". Any thoughts?

I know it's a small sample and all that, but fashions change quickly. Especially in the US. Can Apple hold on to these margins if/when the fashion shifts?
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