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The developer release of iOS 4.3 beta 2 includes mention of a new MobileMe-based Photo Stream picture sync feature, apparently part of a new Media Stream service, and includes versions of a standalone FaceTime and PhotoBooth app for iPad.

Photo Stream cloud sharing and sync

"Photo Stream uploads and stores the last thirty days of your photos on MobileMe and downloads them to all of your devices," according to text appearing in iOS 4.3 beta 2.

Apple previously offered a feature in iPhoto called photocasting, which allowed users to share an album with friends via an email link. Once shared, the album would appear in their iPhoto source list and stay updated (as new photos were added) via an RSS feed, similar to a podcast.

That feature was replaced by MobileMe Gallery, an online "cloud" service that stores selected photos on Apple's servers, for open or password-protected access by other users. MobileMe Gallery also supports movie sharing.

The new Photo Stream feature appears to make MobileMe Gallery sharing automatic, apparently enabling users to automatically share all their photos as they take them

Once in the user's MobileMe Gallery, they can be made available publicly or to select friends and family just like the existing MobileMe Gallery. It appears the feature will also allow a user to keep his or her own devices synced via the cloud, so that recent pictures snapped by an iPhone would also appear on the user's iPad, for example.

Photo Stream appears to be part of new Media Stream development, suggesting that the same type of service might be offered for sharing and syncing movies. There's also hints that the service may offer hooks for third party developers to use, enabling them to take advantage of the automatic media sync and sharing features just as they are now able to tap into MobileMe contact and calendar data sync, or desktop app preferences sync to regularly update the settings of an app installed on a user's various Macs.

New FaceTime, Photo Booth and Camera apps for iPad

Apple will also apparently be bundling a new standalone FaceTime and PhotoBooth apps for iPad, as well as including a Camera app to take advantage of the rear facing camera, which has been anticipated for some time.

While not installed in the developer build, FaceTime and PhotoBooth apps are depicted in a wallpaper preview image that has changed since the previous developer beta (shown below, first discovered by MacRumors). The image inadvertently leaks the internal development of those apps.

On the Mac, Photo Booth includes support for using Quartz Composition filters to distort, transform, chroma key (blue screen), or apply other affects in the pictures and videos it captures. Additional Quartz Composition filters can be created using Apple's free Quartz Composer application and installed for use by Photo Booth. The depiction of Photo Booth as an app on the iPad suggests similar functionally within the new iOS version.



Also in iOS 4.3 developer builds

The iOS 4.3 Beta 2 release also previewed full handed gestures for rapidly moving between multitasking apps or returning to the Home screen, although it warned that feature was experimental and not planned for public release in the next build.

The first beta of iOS 4.3 introduced a personal hotspot control panel, new multitouch gestures for the iPad, and updated SMS alert settings. Resource files accompanying the release also provided hints at a handful of new iPad and iPhone models, as well as a potential "Find My Friends" social networking feature.
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Looks like Jobs wasn't just talking when he said that MobileMe would "get better" this year.
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Looks like Jobs was just talking when he said that MobileMe would "get better" this year.

It has barely started!
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Steve Jobs has set the company up with some exciting things to come out of its pipeline during his leave. Seems as Apple will be firing on all cyclinders during his leave of absense. Then again would anyone expect anything less??
Now lets all hope that Steve Jobs returns quickly and in good health.
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…to tap into MobileMe contact and calendar data sync, or desktop app preferences sync to regularly update the settings of an app installed on a user's various Macs.

It sounds complex, but it would be a useful MobileMe service to be able to sync iOS and Mac OS preferences, and various app preferences across devices. I always like consistent preferences as much as possible for my own convenience. This would beyond just synching contacts, calendars, bookmarks, photos and movies. Of course, administrative authority and security has to be kept intact and not compromised.

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post #6 of 53
Photostream? Who keeps coming up with these gimmicky little features.

"I know," says one, "let's make a beautifully simple tablet device, that anyone can use, and therefore become ultra successful."

"Hey," says the other, "what a great idea. Then once it's successful we can spend the next year overcomplicating it.

If there's one thing I've learned from Microsoft, it's that more features is always better! We could have a home button that you double tap as well as tap. We could let it run 10 programs at once instead of one. We could have 4 and 5 finger gestures to do stuff instead of 1 or 2. And the Piece de resistance - we could make it when you quit apps they don't really quit! Ahhh, it will be a good year."
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Anyone else having problems downloading b2? the link goes to dead space for me.
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To me this feels like they are re-thinking how people may share videos. Someone commented regarding YouTube (and the debate about HTML5/h.264) that for him actually Faceboook was better, since he wanted to show videos (and photos) for friends and family rather than the whole world. Thus a change of formats (which Google tries to impose on all of us) would not hurt that much.

I also think that (as with most Google services) YouTube lacks quite a lot in user friendliness.

Here Apple could do something with MobileMe. And these things to me suggest that's the direction.

Last question will be about the cost for MobileMe. People tend to accept crappy services since they are free. Either Apple makes MobileMe free and with the quality of Apple services this could hunt Google down totally. Or they judge that the services are so good, it's worth paying for. Maybe additions will make them that good? In the last case, they will not have the same volumes, but they will get the users they prefer, i e people who accept to pay for quality and appreciates it.

Either way - as a share holder I will win. Actually - as end user I will accept both also!
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MM's still not a hundred buck a year value add for me. (Tho' granted I can see that if you really can make productive use out of one or two features, it could be for a subset of Apple users.)

Given the %age of users (small) who buy it, Apple could garner both market share and great goodwill if it made at least a "light version" of MobileMe the bundled iLife of the early mobile computing age to really complete their "ecosystem" - and they'd likely make more money from upgrades to the "pro" version (including lots of GB of file storage - which would draw from DropBox and other cloud storage vendors) from the vastly larger active user base than from today's all or none policy. Plus have extra 3rd party developer attention to extend its functionality.

And I'd say then nobody would have anything like it, except that both Google and MS are "giving away" a ton of web services these days (and more every day), including many equivalent to many in MM (I'm not in a position to argue their relative quality, and for many, just having any free usable forms of them is sufficient to lock in a base), so it's not so much that this would put Apple further ahead in totally meeting user needs in the cloud service area, it's keeping up with the free competitors as well.

PS: Did Apple break out MM's gross revenues in their recent sales data dump on the market? Gotta be small potatoes in the big pic. But I could be wrong (again) (again).

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This is how I see Apple's iOS shenanigans:

Apple is trying to redefine the way we think about a computer. That is a big task. In order to accomplish such a large goal, you need to take small steps. This is why each edition of iPhone, iPad, etc. adds features a lot of people complain are missing. Apple is very carefully, deliberately, picking and choosing each major feature to overhaul, and every year we grow accustomed to the new way that things work.

This time, it's the cloud.

Example:
There was no app store, originally. Apple had to introduce the concept of touch screens, the home screen, navigation, the core utilities.. etc, before the app store, so that people (read: the average Walmart shopper) would not be overwhelmed. I believe originally, iTunes was part of iOS, right? The iTunes app helped familiarize people with the "mobile store". Then the app store came out.

They do the same with developers. Initially, developers were given strict guidelines and a small number of frameworks to work with. This forced developers to keep things clean and simple and not get too crazy. Over time, Apple has loosened their grip on the developer. They finally allowed multitasking, but they reengineered it for the mobile world in a way that developers can't abuse. iOS 4 also introduced hundreds of new frameworks. The idea being that Apple had these intentions from day 1, before anyone thought touch screens were even a good idea for a phone.

This is why I stick with Apple. I love the freedom of Android, I really do. I love Linux. I love the idea of having complete control over my device. But Apple is a good company, with good engineers, and they think things through, keeping the long term goal in mind. So I have no problem "locking myself in", because I have utmost confidence that Apple knows what they are doing. Right now, I might not have feature X, but that is because Apple is playing chess, not war.
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To me this feels like they are re-thinking how people may share videos. Someone commented regarding YouTube (and the debate about HTML5/h.264) that for him actually Faceboook was better, since he wanted to show videos (and photos) for friends and family rather than the whole world. Thus a change of formats (which Google tries to impose on all of us) would not hurt that much.

That guy sounds like me

There's definitely an opportunity for improving the way people share media with each other. YouTube tries, but it is a really poor implementation (and only covers video). Facebook is better but still not great as people tend to be "friends" with other people they are not really "friends" with! They are trying to improve it - and there are a lot of startups pushing them along.

In any case the best part of Facebook isn't so much the functionality or user experience, it's that everyone has an account. I have no doubt that Photo Stream could offer a better way of sharing content, but Apple would need to find a way to get everyone to sign up. Maybe they could link it in with Facebook Connect.

Back on topic, Photo Stream sounds like it has been ripped right out of the Microsoft Kin/WP7 playbook! I wonder if a few of those 5000 Kins happened to find their way down to Cupertino

Microsoft's strategy is basically to have one's digital life follow them around, regardless of what device they are on, by sync'ing a users data and settings between devices using the cloud. (It's almost like a return to roaming profiles! ) Each device then has an application designed for that interface to best manipulate the data (or the data can be accessed directly via the web if needed)

Apple would do well to follow Microsoft's lead (and stamp it with the Apple UX) as a good idea is still a good idea, regardless of where it came from.

The other option is Google's world where the apps themselves live in the cloud. I think we might get to this stage one day, but for now the best user experience can be had with local apps and a local copy of data that is sync'd between devices using the cloud.

My last point is that I wonder if Apple will integrate this with 3rd party services. It could be nice, but I suspect it won't happen.

Microsoft want people to buy Windows licenses, they don't care as much about hardware or the brand as the functionality. They seem happy to aggregate 3rd party services as it adds functionality and makes them the glue in the middle.

With Apple if they aren't selling you hardware they aren't making money. The brand is everything, which means the user experience is everything. I'm not sure the functionality boost they would get from pulling in 3rd parties would out weight the effect on the UX from no longer controlling everything end to end.
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This is how I see Apple's iOS shenanigans:

Apple is trying to redefine the way we think about a computer. That is a big task. In order to accomplish such a large goal, you need to take small steps. This is why each edition of iPhone, iPad, etc. adds features a lot of people complain are missing. Apple is very carefully, deliberately, picking and choosing each major feature to overhaul, and every year we grow accustomed to the new way that things work.

This time, it's the cloud.

Example:
There was no app store, originally. Apple had to introduce the concept of touch screens, the home screen, navigation, the core utilities.. etc, before the app store, so that people (read: the average Walmart shopper) would not be overwhelmed. I believe originally, iTunes was part of iOS, right? The iTunes app helped familiarize people with the "mobile store". Then the app store came out.

They do the same with developers. Initially, developers were given strict guidelines and a small number of frameworks to work with. This forced developers to keep things clean and simple and not get too crazy. Over time, Apple has loosened their grip on the developer. They finally allowed multitasking, but they reengineered it for the mobile world in a way that developers can't abuse. iOS 4 also introduced hundreds of new frameworks. The idea being that Apple had these intentions from day 1, before anyone thought touch screens were even a good idea for a phone.

This is why I stick with Apple. I love the freedom of Android, I really do. I love Linux. I love the idea of having complete control over my device. But Apple is a good company, with good engineers, and they think things through, keeping the long term goal in mind. So I have no problem "locking myself in", because I have utmost confidence that Apple knows what they are doing. Right now, I might not have feature X, but that is because Apple is playing chess, not war.

I don't see this as too much of an embellishment....I think much of what you say may be correct particularly as a broad strategy...

And I agree completely with your last paragraph.

One of the biggest mysteries remains in North Carolina right now. What are they going to do with that facility?

Mobile Me is an awful solution/value as it stands. I would be thoroughly impressed if they managed a major overhaul and drastically reduced, or even eliminated the pricing for it as well.

Right now the two biggest things I'm looking forward to are iOS 5 and the reveal of what they are doing in NC.

Unfortunately I think if Ipad 2 does not have doubled resolution, then I will either be sitting out of the tablet market for another year to see what happens or possibly picking up a heavily discounted version one on ebay if the right deal came along, but I doubt it.

Hi res or bust for me is most likely.
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Looks like Jobs wasn't just talking when he said that MobileMe would "get better" this year.

ways to fill that server farm, i think that's just the tip of iceberg, but would be great to take a picture and auto upload, i've got eyefi to do just that but with shutterfly, but hey i'd share my public gallery apple needs to make things simple automatic and less tied to a desktop, laptop, home system
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This is how I see Apple's iOS shenanigans:

Apple is trying to redefine the way we think about a computer. That is a big task. In order to accomplish such a large goal, you need to take small steps. This is why each edition of iPhone, iPad, etc. adds features a lot of people complain are missing. Apple is very carefully, deliberately, picking and choosing each major feature to overhaul, and every year we grow accustomed to the new way that things work.

This time, it's the cloud.

Example:
There was no app store, originally. Apple had to introduce the concept of touch screens, the home screen, navigation, the core utilities.. etc, before the app store, so that people (read: the average Walmart shopper) would not be overwhelmed. I believe originally, iTunes was part of iOS, right? The iTunes app helped familiarize people with the "mobile store". Then the app store came out.

They do the same with developers. Initially, developers were given strict guidelines and a small number of frameworks to work with. This forced developers to keep things clean and simple and not get too crazy. Over time, Apple has loosened their grip on the developer. They finally allowed multitasking, but they reengineered it for the mobile world in a way that developers can't abuse. iOS 4 also introduced hundreds of new frameworks. The idea being that Apple had these intentions from day 1, before anyone thought touch screens were even a good idea for a phone.

This is why I stick with Apple. I love the freedom of Android, I really do. I love Linux. I love the idea of having complete control over my device. But Apple is a good company, with good engineers, and they think things through, keeping the long term goal in mind. So I have no problem "locking myself in", because I have utmost confidence that Apple knows what they are doing. Right now, I might not have feature X, but that is because Apple is playing chess, not war.

Nailed it! I rejected MobileMe for years because it was so obviously inferior to free options out there. But after a short trial period, I saw my error. Every time I think disjointed offerings such as google's are the better option it ends in disappointment. Apple is not perfect but they get it mostly right more often than the other offerings out there and I am confident that their cloud will be something to be reckoned with in the future.
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The exciting thing about Photo Stream is the iPad's Photo Frame can be automatically updated from another an iPhoto on another Mac somewhere on the Internet. Grandparents can view the latest pictures of their grand kids while their iPad sits in it's docking stand. Very cool.
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I thought that on an iPad you had 5 icons on the Dock vs. 4 with an iPhone/iPod touch?
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The developer release of iOS 4.3 beta 2 includes mention of a new MobileMe-based Photo Stream picture sync feature, apparently part of a new Media Stream service, and includes versions of a standalone FaceTime and PhotoBooth app for iPad. ...

I find the title of this article kind of misleading (again).

It tells us that all this stuff is coming in iOS 4.3 when it's pretty clear that it isn't necessarily so.

There is a big difference between this stuff being in the beta and it being included in iOS 4.3. Most notably, just two days ago we heard that the gestures, while in the beta, are not going to be in the finished product.

Also, since all three of these new apps require a camera, it makes no sense that these will make it to the iPad in 4.3 even if they make it to the iPhone. Why would Apple update all the iPads with three new camera apps when the iPad won't have a camera for six months? Since Apple also just spent a long time and a lot of effort to get all the device on the same version of iOS, it also makes little sense that they would release 4.3 for the iPhone only, leaving the iPad behind.
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The real question remains: when will Mobile Me be free?

Apple should buy Dropbox, make Mobile Me free, and stop pussy-footin' around.
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I thought that on an iPad you had 5 icons on the Dock vs. 4 with an iPhone/iPod touch?

No, but you can put up to 6 icons in the dock.
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The real question remains: when will Mobile Me be free?

Apple should buy Dropbox, make Mobile Me free, and stop pussy-footin' around.

Apple should buy Dropbox or copy the way it works (since they already use that method for backups in their TimeMachine sparse bundles).

MobileMe should never be free. I want accountability for products. I want to buy a product, not be the product. Lets add to the feature set that no one else has yet been able to match instead of making it free because a subset of the MobileMe services are available from various places.
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MM's still not a hundred buck a year value add for me. (Tho' granted I can see that if you really can make productive use out of one or two features, it could be for a subset of Apple users.)

Given the %age of users (small) who buy it, Apple could garner both market share and great goodwill if it made at least a "light version"

They've already moved that direction some, though they haven't done a good job advertising it or marketing it that way. Right now you can use "Find My iPhone" for free if you have an iPhone & you can sign up for a MobileMe chat account for free, allowing you to chat with AOL users without needing to deal with AOL. Past that many of their services are comparable to Microsoft Live, except the service gets it's strength from it's integration with Macs more than just the services it offers.

I think they would do well to offer a version of MobileMe that was free and included e-mail, chat, calendar, contacts, and photo sharing. Make iWork part of MobileMe and tack on iWork.com with purchase of iWork and Find My iPhone with purchase of iOS device. Give total of maybe 10GB shared for services & then tie in iAd somehow. Pretty much like what you are saying, something sort of comparable to Google Apps.
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I might sign up for Moble Me if it uploads pictures to my account automatically. It would enable my Mom to see all my pictures as soon as they are uploaded. Right now I am uploading some of my pictures to Flicr, but I only upload a handful and I don't do it that often. If the upload was automatic that would be great. Also it would give me an extra backup in the cloud. I bought a time machine just to make sure all our pictures were backed up, but I'm still a little nervous about losing them.
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Why would Apple update all the iPads with three new camera apps when the iPad won't have a camera for six months?

So you don't think Apple will sell any iPad 2's with cameras until late July? That is possible, but I think highly unlikely. I would bet the new iPad is out before the new iPhone and iOS 5.0 which is why they are putting iPad 2 hardware features in iOS 4.3.

The better question is are they really putting a rear facing camera on a tablet? Front facing is a no brainer, but are people really going to use a 9" tablet to take photos and videos?
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I think it makes no sense to "make MobileMe FREE!!!" It is one of several sets of services Apple makes available for their user community, and the simple fact is that people don't value free stuff. They may want it, but they don't actually dig into it for the purpose of getting the most out of it. By charging a totally-minimal fee, they want to get people to value the services and *want* to use them.

Same logic applies to AppleCare and One-To-One: high-end services for cheap bux. None of these are profit-centers, they are buy-in points to Appleworld.

I have little doubt AAPL would provide these for free, but each service-set is a major differentiation from other platforms. They *HAVE* to call attention to them, or they're casting pearls before swine
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Apple should buy Dropbox or copy the way it works (since they already use that method for backups in their TimeMachine sparse bundles).

MobileMe should never be free. I want accountability for products. I want to buy a product, not be the product. Lets add to the feature set that no one else has yet been able to match instead of making it free because a subset of the MobileMe services are available from various places.

Well-said! 'Course, iDisk is likely as close to an enterprise-strength solution as Apple will get, but they don't *want* to drive developers out of the field by capturing high-end solutions the way other companies have.

Still, it's important to remember that MobileMe is at its best when dealing with multiple users w/ multiple devices. The control I have over calendars (syncing / propagation / subscription) is worth the annual cost all by itself. Add to that the transparent domain hosting, find-my-idevice functionality, and the iDisk, it really IS a no-brainer.
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Well-said! 'Course, iDisk is likely as close to an enterprise-strength solution as Apple will get, but they don't *want* to drive developers out of the field by capturing high-end solutions the way other companies have.

Still, it's important to remember that MobileMe is at its best when dealing with multiple users w/ multiple devices. The control I have over calendars (syncing / propagation / subscription) is worth the annual cost all by itself. Add to that the transparent domain hosting, find-my-idevice functionality, and the iDisk, it really IS a no-brainer.

MobileMe has domain hosting??
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Yep - check your account settings!
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Still, it's important to remember that MobileMe is at its best when dealing with multiple users w/ multiple devices. The control I have over calendars (syncing / propagation / subscription) is worth the annual cost all by itself. Add to that the transparent domain hosting, find-my-idevice functionality, and the iDisk, it really IS a no-brainer.

Only if they are all Apple devices. If you want to or have to use a PC part of the time, the value proposition falls off fast.
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One of the biggest mysteries remains in North Carolina right now. What are they going to do with that facility?

My theory is they're going to offer app developers online services. Right now if you're an app developer and you want to do something involving connectivity or online storage you need your own servers or hosted servers. Apple could offer an expanding set of online services for messaging, syncing and storing data online, etc, exposed through APIs in iOS that any app developer can exploit without having to think about backend development. I think this idea is potentially radical and disruptive because they'd be essentially usurping the normal web paradigm. Apps would instead run on Apple's own online services. They could gradually add other online services like maps, location services, the features in "Find My Friends", social networking, and even search, as platforms app developers can use rather than websites.
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Yep - check your account settings!

Interesting. I haven't had an Apple account since back in the .mac days. Guess I'll have to look at it again.
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Apple should buy Dropbox or copy the way it works (since they already use that method for backups in their TimeMachine sparse bundles).

MobileMe should never be free. I want accountability for products. I want to buy a product, not be the product. Lets add to the feature set that no one else has yet been able to match instead of making it free because a subset of the MobileMe services are available from various places.

I agree with that, but come with something great, not the (IMO) half baked BS it is now compared to outside solutions.
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Does anyone know if HDR is included in this build? The initial build did not include the HDR camera function, so I reverted.
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MobileMe has domain hosting??

It used to, did it go away with online web building? Don't know cause I never used that feature.
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It used to, did it go away with online web building? Don't know cause I never used that feature.


Just to be clear, you can host a website on a domain that you own through MobileMe. One domain per MobileMe master account. Simple to do. Just adjust dns settings at your registrar per instructions. It is not a full-function hosting solution (no DB, for example, so you can't host a wordpress install). But it's a nice part of the MobileMe package. Depending on your needs, MobileMe can be a pretty damn good deal. Especially if you get it a discount through amazon or eBay. And you absolutely should. No reason to pay full price.
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My theory is they're going to offer app developers online services. Right now if you're an app developer and you want to do something involving connectivity or online storage you need your own servers or hosted servers. Apple could offer an expanding set of online services for messaging, syncing and storing data online, etc, exposed through APIs in iOS that any app developer can exploit without having to think about backend development. I think this idea is potentially radical and disruptive because they'd be essentially usurping the normal web paradigm. Apps would instead run on Apple's own online services. They could gradually add other online services like maps, location services, the features in "Find My Friends", social networking, and even search, as platforms app developers can use rather than websites.

Now this is an intriguing idea that I hadn't heard of yet. I think it has merit. But I also think there has to be more to it than that, just due to the physical size/scope of the project.

On the other side of the equation, I wish more web/mobile app developers would take into consideration that many people don't actually want to host their personal data, photos, etc. on public servers at all. That's forever baby. I have to think there's a market for someone to write apps that allow you to store/synch your data on your own server, which could be something as simple as your own computer at home running a webDAV or a complementary app that the developer provides. Simple stuff, but I don't see this (granted, perhaps small at this time) market being addressed AT ALL.
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Only if they are all Apple devices. If you want to or have to use a PC part of the time, the value proposition falls off fast.

Spoken like one who hasn't tried it.
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@poke: re: the 'Big NC' - I suspect along similar lines...my personal take is that Apple is setting up a distributive cloud-universe, in which users can *directly* share or not share as much and as little as they like.

In support, I offer MobileMe itself, which I've come to think of as a "cloud starter kit"...'cause it is that; also, I submit efforts such as Ping, Photo Gallery, and Facetime, which are clearly cloud-leveraged and user-centric; and of course, iPhone itself - the essential cloud-hammer!

And WHY would there be such nearly me-too offerings? Well, AAPL likes to compete on open ground, and a cloud that was largely independent of the Facebook/Cell-service axis could do more to bring connectivity rates down AND spur competition than anything we're likely to see otherwise.
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The real question remains: when will Mobile Me be free?

Apple should buy Dropbox, make Mobile Me free, and stop pussy-footin' around.

I doubt MobileMe will ever be free but Apple does seem intent on adding value (which could include a lower price). I always question the value of MobileMe when I make my yearly payment for two family packs but, in the end, decide to stick with it because it works reasonably well for my enthused but technology-challenged parents, sister and niece.

Apple still needs to do more. For instance, if, and when, they start charging for iWork.com, it should be included for MobileMe users. Buying Dropbox might not be such a bad idea, either, if only for their IP.
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I think they would do well to offer a version of MobileMe that was free and included e-mail, chat, calendar, contacts, and photo sharing. Make iWork part of MobileMe and tack on iWork.com with purchase of iWork and Find My iPhone with purchase of iOS device. Give total of maybe 10GB shared for services & then tie in iAd somehow. Pretty much like what you are saying, something sort of comparable to Google Apps.

While I generally agree with you, I don't think iWork.com should become part of MobileMe; this will allow Apple to sell it as a separate serve for small businesses who might not want MobileMe services. I do agree that a MobileMe subscription should include iWork.com.
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My theory is they're going to offer app developers online services. Right now if you're an app developer and you want to do something involving connectivity or online storage you need your own servers or hosted servers. Apple could offer an expanding set of online services for messaging, syncing and storing data online, etc, exposed through APIs in iOS that any app developer can exploit without having to think about backend development. I think this idea is potentially radical and disruptive because they'd be essentially usurping the normal web paradigm. Apps would instead run on Apple's own online services. They could gradually add other online services like maps, location services, the features in "Find My Friends", social networking, and even search, as platforms app developers can use rather than websites.

Definitely some interesting ideas here. I think you might be on to something.
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