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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

The whole point of the iPhone and iPad is that they ARE so similar. Introducing a whole new interface causes issues for the MAIN purchasers of Apple products, the 99.99% of buyers who are not 'techies'. This is the reason that Apple is taking these elements to the Mac in 10.7, as it creates a more consistent interface across all of their products and leads to easier adoption by users.

Apple don't make products for the techie geeks they make products for the masses, yet you fail to grasp this and somehow think that you can do better than a multi billion dollar business can.

Saying that I think Apple should do a new homescreen for the iPad constitutes me saying I can do better than them? What planet are you living on? Get real. Only in fanboy world can a simple comment make someone so offended. And please do us all a favor, practice your grammar skills.
post #162 of 192
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Name one. Aside from Angry Birds (an issue that appeared to be due to sloppy code), I haven't heard of any.

Gameloft's advent calendar promotion had a few, so much so they had to redirect users to their site so they could establish their phone models and provide different versions.

How many applications can you store on a 1.X device vs a 2.2 device given that you need 2.X to store applications on the memory card.

What about Adobe Flash 10.1 and Air don't they require 2.2?

In our store we have SonyEricsson X10 and X10 Mini Pro's with 1.6, they can be updated to 2.1 but most of the one's we see with issues haven't been updated, the update isn't available yet for phone's sold under the 3 brand, to update them you must use a Windows PC.

The Galaxy S' we have in stock are at 2.1, Desire HD's 2.2, old stock of Legends are at 2.1, new stock 2.2, the Ideos with 2.2 has a 320x240 screen, the Motorola Flipout has 2.1, the Milestone 2, 2.2.

Fragmentation in our storeroom.

Then theres the fandroid's whine about iTunes, iTunes is bliss compared to kies
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post #163 of 192
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Originally Posted by Stourque View Post

Perhaps you could explain that in 5000 words or less.

I think you start by getting rid of the locked bootloaders Motorola likes using.

It's exactly the same thing as jailbreaking an iPhone, due to the sheer awesomeness of Apple, rooting iOS devices gets it's own term and once again redefines the English language.
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post #164 of 192
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Originally Posted by kingsmuse View Post

I don`t see why everyone seems to find this too expensive.

It`s only $70 more than the closest comparable iPad with what seems to be superior specs and abilities.

Honeycomb looks sweet and this thing can do things the first gen iPad can`t.

Apple better come up with something good in the second gen iPad.

Maybe you don't understand. This thing is pure vapor, and we know that the iPad 2 will blow it away. The iPad 2 will also blow away every other tablet computer, most of which are now just vapor.

And besides, Apple will never sacrifice for mere specs. That is why they advertise a 10 hour battery life, because some things are more important than specs.
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Originally Posted by HahaHaha321 View Post

Sorry for making a suggestion to the oh-so-holy Apple Inc.

It is truly painful to watch someone with no self-respect continue this way.

Please stop. Really.
post #166 of 192
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Originally Posted by HahaHaha321 View Post

The difference is that this tablet will only have a 3G model at launch with Wi-Fi-only coming later. You'll need a contract, just like the 3G iPad..

No, you don't need a contract to use a 3G iPad and still have internet access. The 3G iPad comes with wifi. If wifi does not suffice you can get 3G connectivity on a month to month basis for a relatively low cost. I would hope competing tablets would have similar flexibility but who knows?
post #167 of 192
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Originally Posted by SomeCallMe...Tim View Post

And besides, Apple will never sacrifice for mere specs. That is why they advertise a 10 hour battery life, because some things are more important than specs.

Isn't that a spec?

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post #168 of 192
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Isn't that a spec?

Pssst...... not a real person. Just a collection of compulsive trolling tics.
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post #169 of 192
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

That's the first SQL joke I've seen

I think he/she is also darhader or whatever it calls itself.

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> result = hahaha/darhader/techstud
post #170 of 192
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Originally Posted by HahaHaha321 View Post

Are people that paranoid that not only do they not think I own anything Apple, but now that I'm someone else in disguise? Seriously? Guess what, I'm not. I own many Apple products, and just because I'm not someone who isn't blindly obsessed by them and trash every other product on the market, I'm not a "true" Apple fan? And guess what else, Android is selling well so they must be doing something right. But fanboys will only believe that's becausse they've been "copying" Apple. The people on this website are so arrogant, from the authors of the articles to the blinded commentors. Why do you think so many people dislike Apple? It's not the products, it's the terrible behavior of the people who use them. Ever think of that? But no, people on this website always have something arrogant or rude to add and they think everybody else is wrong. It's disgusting.

But I'm okay with all these consipricies. Because I do realize that the people doing so have nothing better to do.

You, my friend are one of the rudest on this site.
I don't agree that people hate Apple because of their fans/supporters, they hate Apple because nearly every media outlet is anti-Apple, and why is this so? It's because of a company called Microsoft that has the money and lobbying power to do so.
So tell people enough times, then they will believe it.
We Apple fans are over-exuberant because at long last we are top dog, and the general public loves Apple at long last.
I don't think we are arrogant or nasty, it's just we know we are onto a good thing and would like to educate the ignorant that the grass is really greener over here.
Is this so bad. I don't walk around at work and shout Apple slogans or worship SJ, I worshiappreciate but I appreciate what he and others have achieved at Apple.
You cannot deny how good Apple is.
Generally speaking most of the other tech is okay, it's not top notch like Apple's but it gets the job done. Its just that the underlying architecture/coding and marketing sucks.
Selling your soul to the devil, aka carriers aso doesn't help.
They all can't be like Apple.
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I think he/she is also darhader or whatever it calls itself.

Here is another:
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Wouldn't the result be 3?

SELECT screenName...

would give the result you show.
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post #172 of 192
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Wouldn't the result be 3?
SELECT screenName...
would give the result you show.

*chuckles*
post #173 of 192
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Originally Posted by derekmorr View Post

What's your evidence that people don't upgrade?

And if that's the case, then it's an argument against the alleged horrors of fragmentation.


When people upgrade their computer's OS, they don't have to fear losing the warranty on their hardware. NOT so when you root your Android or jailbreak your iOS device. Besides, most people can deal with a failed computer upgrade that brick their system for a few days, but not with a phone that they need to use everyday.
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Besides, most people can deal with a failed computer upgrade that brick their system for a few days, but not with a phone that they need to use everyday.

Restoring to stock firmware takes five minutes. Anyone who calls will call back.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #175 of 192
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Originally Posted by derekmorr View Post

Huh? The Tweetdeck developers specifically said that developing for Android wasn't a problem : http://www.businessinsider.com/tweet...e-jobs-2010-10.



You don't know what you're talking about. No one "broke" anything from 2.1 to 2.2, and the Google Search app is present. You're talking about Voice Actions.

The article you linked to is very poorly written and the author clearly doesn't understand how to use his phone. If you want to install a new search widget, for say, Bing or Yahoo, all you have to do is download it from the Market. To change the default search engine in the browser, go to Menu -> More -> Settings and scroll to the bottom. There's an entry labeled "Set search engine."

You go right on believing both of those. You completely missed the boat on the first. Words saying "no problem", followed by an explanation of why development took linger than expected with over 149 HW/SW pairs to QA isn't exactly telling the same story. That's known as unsuccessfully trying to paper over the gap.

You are simply factually incorrect on the second, unless you mean there is a Google Search app today, which there is, but it was off the store for several weeks. I wasn't talking about Google Voice at all, that's a second issue unrelated to a proper fragmentation discussion.
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You go right on believing both of those. You completely missed the boat on the first. Words saying "no problem", followed by an explanation of why development took linger than expected with over 149 HW/SW pairs to QA isn't exactly telling the same story.

What are you talking about? The TweetDeck developers explicitly said that developing for Android was not a problem. It seems that you're misrepresenting what they said.

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You are simply factually incorrect on the second, unless you mean there is a Google Search app today, which there is, but it was off the store for several weeks. I wasn't talking about Google Voice at all, that's a second issue unrelated to a proper fragmentation discussion.

You claimed Google "broke something fundamental between 2.1 and 2.2," and that "[t]hey had to fragment their flagship app just to get it to run." Nothing was broken. The Google Search app was part of the Android project. Some carriers stripped that app out on their Android phones, so Google broke it out into a separate app. This also lets it be updated out-of-sync with the OS. Google has done the same thing with many other Android apps, including Car Home, Market, Maps, and Voice Actions, to name a few. How does this constitute breaking something, or fragmenting it? If anything, it would reduce fragmentation, since more people can update the apps sooner.
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Originally Posted by derekmorr View Post

What are you talking about? The TweetDeck developers explicitly said that developing for Android was not a problem. It seems that you're misrepresenting what they said.



You claimed Google "broke something fundamental between 2.1 and 2.2," and that "[t]hey had to fragment their flagship app just to get it to run." Nothing was broken. The Google Search app was part of the Android project. Some carriers stripped that app out on their Android phones, so Google broke it out into a separate app. This also lets it be updated out-of-sync with the OS. Google has done the same thing with many other Android apps, including Car Home, Market, Maps, and Voice Actions, to name a few. How does this constitute breaking something, or fragmenting it? If anything, it would reduce fragmentation, since more people can update the apps sooner.

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http://blog.tweetdeck.com/android-ecosystem
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Android Ecosystem Infoporn Overload

As we bring our initial Android TweetDeck beta period to a close, we wanted to quickly reflect on the Android ecosystem and what might be considered extreme fragmentation. To date we've had 36,427 active beta testers and below you can see the massive variety of phones and Android OS versions everyone is running. We were really shocked to see the number of custom roms, crazy phones and general level of customization/hackalicious nature of Android. From our perspective it's pretty cool to have our app work on such a wide variety of devices and Android OS variations.
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post #178 of 192
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

We can lead them to water, but we cannot make them drink.

http://blog.tweetdeck.com/android-ecosystem

Your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

From the article you linked to: "what might be considered extreme fragmentation."

Here is their comment on their actual experiences developing for Android: Did we at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Err nope, no we didnt. It wasnt.

So, despite the appearance of fragmentation, it wasn't difficult for them to develop their Android app. Do you get that now, or do I have to repeat myself for a third time?
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Originally Posted by derekmorr View Post

Your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

From the article you linked to: "what might be considered extreme fragmentation."

Here is their comment on their actual experiences developing for Android: Did we at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Err nope, no we didnt. It wasnt.

So, despite the appearance of fragmentation, it wasn't difficult for them to develop their Android app. Do you get that now, or do I have to repeat myself for a third time?

Go ahead and say it for the third time. Make yourself believe. The Party would love your blind acceptance of doublespeak.
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post #180 of 192
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Go ahead and say it for the third time. Make yourself believe. The Party would love your blind acceptance of doublespeak.

You really are crazy. The Tweetdeck for Android app runs on any device with 1.6 or higher; that's 95.3% of all Android phones, using Google's current data. It's rated 4.5 stars on the market. How is that possibly an example of fragmentation causing problems?

You're just so convinced that this alleged fragmentation is causing problems that you ignore the evidence to the contrary.
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You really are crazy. The Tweetdeck for Android app runs on any device with 1.6 or higher; that's 95.3% of all Android phones, using Google's current data. It's rated 4.5 stars on the market. How is that possibly an example of fragmentation causing problems?

You're just so convinced that this alleged fragmentation is causing problems that you ignore the evidence to the contrary.

And how many special case HW/SW pair specific statements switches are in there? At least 100+ and growing. That's how it works and the tight definition to the rest of the developing world as a nightmare.

The mere fact you didn't know best practices of EXACTLY how HW/SW pair specific differences are handled indicated you are unqualified to make technical judgments on the topic. This is like second day on the first coding job stuff here.

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And how many special case HW/SW pair specific statements switches are in there? At least 100+ and growing.

You have zero evidence of this. It's pure speculation. Did the Tweetdeck dev's ever say that they had to add any per-device hacks?

I see this is what you resort to -- when your arguments are rebuked, you just make stuff up. How pathetic.
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You have zero evidence of this. It's pure speculation. Did the Tweetdeck dev's ever say that they had to add any per-device hacks?

I see this is what you resort to -- when your arguments are rebuked, you just make stuff up. How pathetic.

Um yeah. I''l take that comment as evidence I've hit a nerve.
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post #184 of 192
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And how many special case HW/SW pair specific statements switches are in there? At least 100+ and growing.

If you gave me code with multiple switch statements 100 cases long that needed to be updated whenever a new hardware/software combo was released I'd either cry or slap you up side the head. Probably both

Every problem has a solution... and the strategy pattern is strong in this one my child.
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

Um yeah. I''l take that comment as evidence I've hit a nerve.

No, not a nerve. You're just annoying, frustrating, and pathetic. Can you point to a statement by the Tweetdeck developers discussing per-platform tweaks? Did you download the Tweetdeck .apk and examine the dex files? In other words, do you have any actual evidence that per-device customization was necessary?

No, you don't have any such evidence. Of course, this won't stop you from making baseless claims. I'm done responding to you unless you can provide evidence.
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If you gave me code with multiple switch statements 100 cases long that needed to be updated whenever a new hardware/software combo was released I'd either cry or slap you up side the head. Probably both

Every problem has a solution... and the strategy pattern is strong in this one my child.

Just because there is at least one difference between a pair to switch between doesn't mean there are 100 differences in every place. Your example is theoretically the worst case, but so unlikely as to be laughable. Worthless to use except as a poor means of trying to make the problem appear smaller than it is.

That's hardly the kind of mistake I would expect an "elder" to make if they actually stopped long enough to think it through or had any actual experience dealing with the messiness of real variable hardware. Kinda glad an "elder" like you isn't working for a "child" like me, because it's a sad thing when the "elder" shows the "child" disdain for solving the problem by trying to be trite and overbearing. Shall we dispense with the poorly executed place-putting, screw our heads back into place and actually examine the problem rather than try to be cutesy?

The real problem is you have small differences all over the place. And those differences will often have cross dependencies. Maybe you can cover many of them via the strategy pattern, but those cross dependencies will make it difficult to get the rest cleanly; now you are back to adding conditionals or switch statements anyway. It's a mess. And now project how many combinatoric combinations of strategy based classes and methods you might need. Gee that might even entail a ton of duplicated code if we are't careful -- man, now we have to encapsulate more code out of the strategy satisfying duplicates into another set of classes. It does not take long for a blind application of patterns to generate an architectural nightmare where you can't keep track of what's doing what. When you have LOTS of special cases to handle it's never as simple as the solution you propose reads. You tradeoff pure OO-design which may be generating architectural messiness against the smaller and less invasive special casing. Assess which makes the most sense where and then implement (usually both flavors) in a mess like this. There isn't an architecture or pattern book anywhere on Earth that will tell you otherwise -- they all tell you that you have to use you head, not always blindly follow a textbook pattern where it doesn't fit well.

And just the fact you have to whip out the strategy pattern (or any other pattern) not to support your core functionality (where it would make sense) but to handle low level deficiencies in the hardware abstraction layer, to do so in multiple places and -- to support a generic app written against one operating system -- says you have a fragmentation issue going on.

Desktop game developers complain about this at times with the various GPUs they need to support. But at least they are already dealing with a voluntary and easily changeable piece of hardware so the fragmentation is acknowledged and embraced by them before they even start. CUDA and OpenCL are growing together and starting to look a lot like an "uber" OpenGL, all to reduce that hardware fragmentation exposed at the application level. Even then the games devs only deal with maybe a dozen well publicized feature lists and the dev is the one that gets to choose which profiles they want to support. In the Android phone biz, you are stuck with all 100+ of them or you get a black eye fast.
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post #187 of 192
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No, not a nerve. You're just annoying, frustrating, and pathetic. Can you point to a statement by the Tweetdeck developers discussing per-platform tweaks? Did you download the Tweetdeck .apk and examine the dex files? In other words, do you have any actual evidence that per-device customization was necessary?

No, you don't have any such evidence. Of course, this won't stop you from making baseless claims. I'm done responding to you unless you can provide evidence.

Well if you rule out implication and implied statements you can try to make your case. But that's not living in the real world. Most folks read the blog as a huge riotous mishmash of doublespeak.

Lets see: the blog headline:
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Hmmm. Seems like they don't like that at all.

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We were really shocked to see the number of custom roms, crazy phones and general level of customization/hackalicious nature of Android.

That very tidily fits the definition of fragmentation, whether you like it or not. Try to distract with avoidance of nightmares and such, but it's still fragmentation.

I'm not going to post the two pie charts, but they scream fragmentation too. It all had to be dealt with, whether they wanted to or not. The public happy face the VP put on it was his public happy face -- good for him. But that still didn't change the fact that they had to manage it and that cost $$ and time. Feel free to ignore reality, that's your option.
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post #188 of 192
.... try $ 1200.00 !

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.... Try $ 1200.00 !

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Originally Posted by piot View Post

bump!

Don't. We already know and there's nothing more to add.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #191 of 192
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Don't.

Too late.

A little presumptuous aren't we?
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

Too late.

A little presumptuous aren't we?

You continue to add zero useful information to the conversation, and no one else has, either.

I wouldn't say so. Instead of replying to me about it, let's stop the madness right here.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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