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In response to calls for increased security from enterprise clients, Apple has hired cybersecurity expert and author David Rice as its director of global security, a new report claims.

Several sources have confirmed Apple's recent hiring of Rice, who is expected to start work at the company in March, All Things Digital reports. A "deeply respected name in IT security circles," according to those who know him, Rice is reportedly being brought on to bolster Apple's security and gain the trust of corporate CIOs.

Rice graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1994 and received a master's degree in Information Warfare and Systems Engineering from the Naval Postgraduate School. He previously worked as a Global Network Vulnerability analyst for the National Security Agency and as a Special Duty Cryptologic officer for the Navy.

Currently, Rice serves as the Executive Director of The Monterey Group, a strategic consulting firm, and Consulting Director for Policy Reform at the U.S. Cyber Consequences Unit. Rice is also the author of "Geekonomics," a 2007 book which likens software security vulnerabilities to weakened bridges and other physical infrastructure.



Apple has ramped up its security efforts in recent years, in part to gain the trust of corporations and government agencies who have begun adopting the iPhone and iPad. As the iPhone maker has upgraded the security of iOS, it has found itself gaining ground on Research in Motion, the self-professed leader in "CIO friendliness."

Last year, Apple recruited the former security chief for the Mozilla Corporation and security lead for Microsoft's Windows XP Service Pack 2 as a senior security product manager.

A recent partnership with Unisys is also meant to boost Apple's security reputation. In an interview last October, a Unisys executive said the deal came about because his company had "put a lot of heavyweight engineering into securing the [iPhone], which, frankly, no one else has figured out yet."

Apple has already made significant progress in the enterprise market. In its earnings call for the first quarter of fiscal 2011, the Cupertino, Calif., company revealed that over 88 of the Fortune 100 companies are now deploying the iPhone and more than 80 of the Fortune 100 are already deploying or piloting the iPad.
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Great hire by Apple.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

Great hire by Apple.

@Wurm5150: I couldnt agree with you more!
Excellent choice!
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There is such a thing as a degree in Information Warfare? Cool.
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There is such a thing as a degree in Information Warfare? Cool.

All US military academies and DoD post grad schools have some degrees that aren't and probably never will be offered at civilian schools..
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Apple is on top of its game, not resting for a minute. A security czar can only be viewed as a positive, and perhaps a rainmaker in the corporate world.
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Well let's hope that Apple takes security more serious with him. Not that they ignore things, but as in more responsive and quicker to action. Their silence at times, while normal for them, shouldn't be that way in security. This is something they can take a page from M$.
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In response to calls for increased security from enterprise clients, Apple has hired cybersecurity expert and author David Rice as its director of global security, a new report claims.

Rice graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1994 and received a master's degree in Information Warfare and Systems Engineering

Apple will be getting rid of its physical home button and Rice is going to add this "increased security" self-destruct button... similar to this mockup...

That was so easy... with apologies to Staples®



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A "security czar" how can that not be taken seriously. I have nothing to do with Apple and I'm intimidated.
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A "security czar" how can that not be taken seriously.

Codename: Rasputin!

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Great, now OS X can have built in NSA backdoors just like Windows!
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I sure hope this means they'll finally implement full-disk encryption.
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Well let's hope that Apple takes security more serious with him. Not that they ignore things, but as in more responsive and quicker to action. Their silence at times, while normal for them, shouldn't be that way in security. This is something they can take a page from M$.

What with the million odd virus alerts ?
You must be joking, what can possibly M$ offer Apple ?
I know a philosophy of creating garbage !
M$ responsive, show me proof and comparisons where they have been and Apple hasn't.
Anybody can make statements like you have, give us the evidence.
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

Great, now OS X can have built in NSA backdoors just like Windows!

Agree, Google happily sends all your searches to NSA.
Now Apple is hiring this bozo, this is just fluff so that Apple can get its foot in the door Enterprise-wise and stay there. But in the process they will alienate their followers.
I don't like this at all.
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Now Apple is hiring this bozo,

If they want to impress me hire Theo de Raadt.
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Great, now OS X can have built in NSA backdoors just like Windows!

I suspect NSA does not need such things.
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What with the million odd virus alerts ?
You must be joking, what can possibly M$ offer Apple ?
I know a philosophy of creating garbage !
M$ responsive, show me proof and comparisons where they have been and Apple hasn't.
Anybody can make statements like you have, give us the evidence.

just to say this for the LOLZ!

MS has released patches for Vista, Apple has no released patches for Vista (unless it is something for parallels or boot camp... which isn't Vista, it is the programs that lets you run it)

well, there it has been done...... just in a really stupid way.

also MS could offer the advice of SPENDING saved up money... i mean, what has Apple done with its majority of cash... nothing (i personally believe that they should invest in making there own screens, CPUs (as opposed to collaboration with Samsung) make their own gpus, etc.

PC means personal computer.  

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if i say something confusing please tell me!

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i have processing issues, mostly trying to get my ideas into speech and text.

if i say something confusing please tell me!

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Codename: Rasputin!


LMAO! good one.
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Agree, Google happily sends all your searches to NSA.
Now Apple is hiring this bozo, this is just fluff so that Apple can get its foot in the door Enterprise-wise and stay there. But in the process they will alienate their followers.
I don't like this at all.

LOL,
You can be sure that the NSA already powns OS X, Windows, and Linux. While that is a disturbing thought, it has nothing to do with back doors being built in and certainly not by Apple.

I would welcome greater security from the typical and most likely threats out there (viruses, hackers, web analytics, companies, snoopy people, etc.) so this guy will be great for Apple and help them bring their game up even more. But no matter how much more secure Apple products get, I'll never talk myself into thinking they have become immune from the efforts of the NSA.
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Let's hope that as a high profile figure, Rice can help educate the public about what a secure OS is, and finally dispel the myth -- or deliberate lie -- that the reason there are no viruses and little malware for OS X has something to do with market share.
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LOL,
You can be sure that the NSA already powns OS X, Windows, and Linux. While that is a disturbing thought, it has nothing to do with back doors being built in and certainly not by Apple.

I would welcome greater security from the typical and most likely threats out there (viruses, hackers, web analytics, companies, snoopy people, etc.) so this guy will be great for Apple and help them bring their game up even more. But no matter how much more secure Apple products get, I'll never talk myself into thinking they have become immune from the efforts of the NSA.

Do you remember of a guy called Eric Schmidt (Google), who sat on Aaple's board?
The outcome was infamous.
So they happily hire this person, and all will still be sweet?
Do you believe everything your government tells you? So why believe Apple.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Let's hope that as a high profile figure, Rice can help educate the public about what a secure OS is, and finally dispel the myth -- or deliberate lie -- that the reason there are no viruses and little malware for OS X has something to do with market share.

Well said, this propaganda has been festering away and people actually are dumb enough to believe it. Can you imagine that no one has attempted to infect OSX .
Of course they have, but were unsuccessful. That is why several Macs over the past 12 years Have shown trace of infection.
I rest my case.
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an intriguing hire, I am interested to see what comes from this.
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

Great, now OS X can have built in NSA backdoors just like Windows!

At NeXT we routinely had contracts with the CIA and the NSA.

We provided custom builds of NeXTStep and Openstep for them. These weren't builds the Public ever used.

The same for Merrill Lynch, Swiss National Bank, etc.
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Do you remember of a guy called Eric Schmidt (Google), who sat on Aaple's board?
The outcome was infamous.
So they happily hire this person, and all will still be sweet?
Do you believe everything your government tells you? So why believe Apple.

Way to miss the point.

The fact of the matter is, the NSA probably already has all the resources it needs to overcome the privacy protections in Windows, Linux, OS X, and any other consumer-grade operating system, without the need to assign covert operatives to insert any new backdoors into the code.

This guy's presence at Apple, even if he really is being two-faced about is true intentions for being there (which, frankly, is quite a dubious claim to be making), won't make matters any worse, simply because your home PC, be it Windows-based, Linux-based, or Mac OS-based, is probably already an open book to a determined NSA investigation.

And if he really is genuine about his intentions to improve the security of the Mac platform, then he might be just the kind of thinker needed to make material improvements.
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I'm not so much worried about anything sinister happening under the hood while Jobbs' is reigning. After him is another story; there might be a lot of 'cultural' changes that scare even your most dedicated fanboys away.

I'm hoping that doesn't happen, but historically pleasing everyone all the time never works. Whether it's your favorite musician who decided he needed to 'appeal to a wider audience' or an OS that tries to be a business and consumer OS simultaneously.

This along with the whole VLC and Wikileaks fiasco are not great signs of what's to come.
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Perhaps this is a move specifically aimed at more than IT in enterprise, perhaps it is in response to interest from the Military itself in Apple products.
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Well said, this propaganda has been festering away and people actually are dumb enough to believe it. Can you imagine that no one has attempted to infect OSX .
Of course they have, but were unsuccessful. That is why several Macs over the past 12 years Have shown trace of infection.
I rest my case.

You need to rest something!
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post #29 of 56
Guess Steve Jobs did read my email after all. I told them to bolster the security of Mac OS X
by fully implementing ASLR. I also told Steve to increase enterprise focus and hire more direct sales force. Steve and Tim got it.
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And this seems logical. Rice graduated from West Point, which is an Elite School. And NSA is a heavy user of NEXTStep, the predecessor of Mac OS X.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Let's hope that as a high profile figure, Rice can help educate the public about what a secure OS is, and finally dispel the myth -- or deliberate lie -- that the reason there are no viruses and little malware for OS X has something to do with market share.

Actually that is just an excuse given by the would be attackers so they don't sound lame crying about how hard it is to hack an Apple product without the explicit and deliberate cooperation of the person who has physical access to the product.
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

Great, now OS X can have built in NSA backdoors just like Windows!

Or, since he is a FORMER employee of the NSA - he can PLUG the backdoor(s).
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Well said, this propaganda has been festering away and people actually are dumb enough to believe it. Can you imagine that no one has attempted to infect OSX .
Of course they have, but were unsuccessful. That is why several Macs over the past 12 years Have shown trace of infection.
I rest my case.


"trace of infection?" There is no such thing.
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Well let's hope that Apple takes security more serious with him. Not that they ignore things, but as in more responsive and quicker to action. Their silence at times, while normal for them, shouldn't be that way in security. This is something they can take a page from M$.

Total FUD.

I hope that you understand the difference between ignorance and stupidity. IMO your points are leaning way to the right.

P.S. To help you and those that think Apple is asleep at the wheel re security, perhaps start at http://www.apple.com/support/security/ and all the links on the page, and all the links on the pages it links to.

Further Reading: http://www.nsa.gov/ia/guidance/secur..._systems.shtml
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

What with the million odd virus alerts ?
You must be joking, what can possibly M$ offer Apple ?
I know a philosophy of creating garbage !
M$ responsive, show me proof and comparisons where they have been and Apple hasn't.
Anybody can make statements like you have, give us the evidence.

You're missing the point of what I am saying. I am saying that M$ keeps the public informed of what bulletins are going to be released at the next update. Of course I know that Windows has more issues, but unlike the silent Apple, M$ acknowledges it and states when a patch is going to be released. Apple rarely says there is an issue and will randomly release an update or just package it into the next system update.
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Originally Posted by IronTed View Post

Guess Steve Jobs did read my email after all. I told them to bolster the security of Mac OS X
by fully implementing ASLR. I also told Steve to increase enterprise focus and hire more direct sales force. Steve and Tim got it.

Your a Mac and Lion was your idea...

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You're missing the point of what I am saying. I am saying that M$ keeps the public informed of what bulletins are going to be released at the next update. Of course I know that Windows has more issues, but unlike the silent Apple, M$ acknowledges it and states when a patch is going to be released. Apple rarely says there is an issue and will randomly release an update or just package it into the next system update.

Total BS.

When MS states a patch is being released, it rarely is more than a day or two away, if they do.

By the way, Apple released more than three dozen security updates last year. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222

Your FUD is like Green Peace's ratings on Apple, i.e., give it low ratings because it won't tell you what and when you are going to do and not considering what you have actually done.

As Steve has been quoted as saying, "There's an old Wayne Gretzky quote that I love - 'I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.' And we've always tried to do that at Apple. Since the very, very beginning. And we always will."
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There is such a thing as a degree in Information Warfare? Cool.

Yes, there is, but it isn't really what it sounds like. More like the science of signals interception and jamming. Still really useful stuff, and has a definite respect for hardware.
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He is not a czar ... stop using this ridiculous term.
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At NeXT we routinely had contracts with the CIA and the NSA.

We provided custom builds of NeXTStep and Openstep for them. These weren't builds the Public ever used.

DUDE!!! That information was classified!!! WTF??!?!?!?!!
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