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A leaked memo from Verizon shows that the carrier will no longer offer its entry-level capped data plan smartphones, requiring new iPhone 4 customers to buy the $30-per-month unlimited offering.

The new pricing, leaked to Engadget, shows that Verizon intends to cease its $15-per-month 150MB data plan. Buyers of new 3G smartphones will be required to pay $29.99 per month for unlimited data allowance.

The change is reportedly set to come as Verizon prepares to offer a CDMA variant of the iPhone 4 to its customers on Feb. 10.

For comparison, AT&T offers an entry-level $15-per-month plan for smartphones that offers 200MB of data. The company's high-end plan, dubbed "DataPro," offers 2GB of capped data for $25 per month.

The leaked information from Verizon shows that the carrier will offer a low-end 75MB plan at a cost of $10 per month. But that option will only be available to "feature phones," which are less powerful than smartphones like the iPhone or those running the Google Android operating system.



When Verizon revealed earlier this month that it would offer Apple's iPhone 4, the carrier declined to offer specifics on data plans. But reports indicated that Verizon intends to offer its unlimited plan, in contrast with AT&T, which only offers capped options.

Still unknown is how much Verizon intends to charge for the personal hotspot feature set to ship with the CDMA iPhone and its unique iOS version of 4.2.5. Currently the carrier offers tethering for $30 per month with a 5GB data cap.
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Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

i have unlimited data and for a long time now the hotspot feature. oh wait, i am using android....
post #4 of 55
hoping that with two carriers, someone might be interested in competitive pricing. *sigh* I guess I'm still not worthy of an iPhone, since I can't afford their plans. I guess I"m gonna have to go with Virgin Mobile and $25 a month for unlimited data and 300 minutes of voice on a non-iPhone.
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oh wait, i am using android....

That's step 1... 11 more to go.

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That's a fair deal. I never thought that Verizon would be cheaper, considering their history.
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

I gave up the unlimited to get on the tethering plan - so I could dump my $60 a month notebook card.

I would prefer to have an unlimited plan - or actually now that I have 4 iPhone 4's in the family - I would prefer to have some sort of shared data plan and or roll over data plan.

I have unlimited shared text messaging - and roll over cellular minutes - why can they not do the same with data?

I would guess that Verizon will use the unlimited plan as an incentive to switch - but personally I will not be getting new phones for nearly two years (thanks to contracts etc) so I can wait to see what happens with LTE - and iPhone 5 (or 4GS or whatever they call it in mid to late 2012)

Ooh - they could release it on 21 Dec 2012 and call it the "End of the World Phone" - or better yet - have advertising along the lines of "This is only the Beginning" or a New Beginning at least - since if you put ANY credence into the Mayan calendar business you should know that the Mayan's do not have anything about the world ending but rather about cycles all their calendars were about the cyclical nature of life - and about new beginnings.
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

Of course it's a negative thing. It took choices away from you. Especially for people like me who has wifi access both at home and at work. Only time I need the data access is on the road. The existing $15/150mb plan suits me and my other family members perfectly. Now I don't think we are going to upgrade our droid phones to iphones any more.
post #9 of 55
Agreed! Where would the internet be, or the original iPhone if not for unlimited use? Having people count their data use is restrictive, and narrows the possibilities of the device. Shame on AT&T for dropping unlimited data plans (mine is grandfathered in) and cudos for Verizon for offering it.

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Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.
post #10 of 55
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

I think it is a negative.

I had my unlimited for 3 years with ATT and finally gave it up, only to find out I easily fit under the $15 a month plan.

I felt like an idiot for not paying attention sooner.

I think many, many people fit into that category and instead of having an option to pay half as much for data, they are locked into unlimited plans.

Does free tethering and hotspots come with that $30? If so, the 30 is a great deal for those that will use those features.

Still leaves MANY people vastly overpaying for data though.

I don't think many would appreciate the same type of strategy deployed for minutes.....
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

I wouldnt want anything but unlimited either, but that doesnt mean everyone needs or wants to pay the higher rate associated with unlimited plans. From their PoV its surely not a good thing.

Personally, Im ecstatic that Verizon is offering unlimited data (assuming its actually unlimited and not a 5GB soft or hard cap) for the iPhone despite what will surely be my continued use of AT&T. Because of this new info its now a little less likely AT&T will continue allowing those who kept their unlimited data plans to still keep them and a little more likely they will again offer unlimited data plans.
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post #12 of 55
Most users don't want unlimited....too costly. They'd better offer a reduced rate plan.
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Originally Posted by Jcoz View Post

Does free tethering and hotspots come with that $30? If so, the 30 is a great deal for those that will use those features.

The unlimited for $30 doesnt include tethering, but it does include WiFi hotspots.

You need a capped plan if you want to get tethering from AT&T. The part I think is horrible about their offering is that it costs an additional $20/month for tethering yet it doesnt offer you any additional data.
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The unlimited for $30 doesnt include tethering, but it does include WiFi hotspots.

You need a capped plan if you want to get tethering from AT&T. The part I think is horrible about their offering is that it costs an additional $20/month for tethering yet it doesnt offer you any additional data.

I'm not sure if a companies pricing for a product could make less sense than that...
post #15 of 55
I currently have an iPhone with T-mobile, with no data plan at all. I think if someone gave that option, they would get a lot of customers. I use wifi where ever i go and even on those rare situations where data is not available, i don't think it it worth 10,15 or 30 bucks a month just to be able to access the internet...

And secondly, if i was forced to pay 30 bucks a month for data, i would use it ALL THE TIME whether wifi was available or not, just to warrant the cost of it. So i think Verizon is really shooting themselves in the foot and setting themselves up for network issues with this idea. 2gb is alot of data and i am sure 90 percent of iPhone users don't come close to using that much data, but at least it gets them thinking about their usage & opting to use WIFI whenever possible. Seems like the trend has been going toward tiered pricing for data, not away from it, so i don't know how much i believe this article....
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

Many people want an iPhone, but don't want/need unlimited data. My wife wants an iPhone. She's been waiting for several years for the Verizon iPhone. She wouldn't use more than 150MB per month, so an extra $15 per month ($180/year) is a waste.
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Originally Posted by herdnerfer View Post

I currently have an iPhone with T-mobile, with no data plan at all. I think if someone gave that option, they would get a lot of customers.

How much does T-Mobile discount phones that don’t have data plans tied to them? The iPhone appears to be subsidized in the range of $300-400. If [Americans] had to pay that additional amount up front just to get an iPod Touch with a phone I’m not sure the sales would be too great. I’m sure some would love it, but not in the quantities seen by AT&T thus far. Still, having the option wouldn’t hurt sales so I say let’s do it.
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post #18 of 55
It's a good and a bad thing, it all depends on the average amount of data the individual uses. I'm grandfathered in with unlimited on att. For me it's essential to keep since i use on average 6-9gigs of data a month. What would be great is if they didn't force you to down grade to tether. I commend Verizon for offering unlimited but they definitely should have more options for the users that don't need that much or cant afford it.
post #19 of 55
Great. $30 a month is ridiculous, unless they Hotspot is FREE. I was hoping they would have a cheaper, tiered plan in addition. For folks who use lots of data that is fine, I support you all having the unlimited plan. But I use less and therefore I want to pay less. Options are good. I don't understand why they don't also have a tiered plan.
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post #20 of 55
They should have kept the $15 plan as well.

Most people hardly exceed 100-200MB/month.
So for them, if only the new plan is available, it actually doubles the price. They will be paying for those who more fully use the unlimited plan.

I am all for unlimited plans, but people should realize that US tariffs are silently increasing in this booming market, while, e.g., in Europe, they are rather declining. In Spain you can get 1-2GB for 10/mo on a prepaid card (Yoigo), or 15 if you also want voice.
Here in Belgium I pay 15/500MB (one month).
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It is a negative for me. In fact, this would be a deal-breaker for me. I don't want and can't justify unlimited data, because I am certain I wouldn't use it. I only need a data plan when I am away from home or office, which is not all the time. I am greatly disappointed. I will seriously think about switching to ATT, finally. After waiting 3 years for this moment....... and after 16 years in VZW.
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i have unlimited data and for a long time now the hotspot feature. oh wait, i am using android....

oooohhhh... Well isn't that just precious.
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Originally Posted by Giffen View Post

Why are they trying to spin this as a negative? I have the unlimited $30/mo on my iPhone 4 from ATT and wouldn't want anything different.

I can't stand having capped data that is almost the same price as unlimited.

I would agree for heavy users the unlimited plan is what you need. However aren't the majority of potential smartphone sales to the people who are NOT using smart phones now?

Those people aren't paying for any data, or at most a $15 plan. Even after they switch to a smart phone, they may not need more than 150-200MB of data.

The $30 price tag is a barrier to entry for these people.

If you want the rest of the world to get smart phones, you need to bring the price of the data plans down.

I have said from the beginning that there there are people who would only use data on Wifi and would jump at the chance to get an iPhone WITHOUT a data plan. Not in Verizon and AT&T's interest I know, but eventually these people will want data and will get it.

I consider myself a pretty fairly heavy iPhone user and very rarely go over 300MB of data, because I don't stream audio or video. My Wife uses < 100MB, and my daughter who doesn't have access to Wifi in her college dorm room is on track to use < 200MB as well.

Dropping the entry level plans is a big mistake...
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It is a negative for me. In fact, this would be a deal-breaker for me. I don't want and can't justify unlimited data, because I am certain I wouldn't use it. I only need a data plan when I am away from home or office, which is not all the time. I am greatly disappointed. I will seriously think about switching to ATT, finally. After waiting 3 years for this moment....... and after 16 years in VZW.

It will be interesting to see how this effects Verizon iPhone sales. Cheaper Data plans is a real plus for AT&T now...
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Originally Posted by VanFruniken View Post

I am all for unlimited plans, but people should realize that US tariffs are silently increasing in this booming market, while, e.g., in Europe, they are rather declining. In Spain you can get 1-2GB for 10/mo on a prepaid card (Yoigo), or 15 if you also want voice.
Here in Belgium I pay 15/500MB (one month).

15/500MB ($20.50) is inbetween AT&T's $15 for 200mb or $25 for 2000mb. That would be a nice extra option but it is not a special bargain. 10/mo for 2gb would be attractive.
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i have unlimited data and for a long time now the hotspot feature. oh wait, i am using android....

Unlimited data and MyWi (hotspot) were available on jailbroken iPhones a long time before you got your android phone.
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I have said from the beginning that there there are people who would only use data on Wifi and would jump at the chance to get an iPhone WITHOUT a data plan. Not in Verizon and AT&T's interest I know, but eventually these people will want data and will get it.

Most people would be better off if they offered it WITHOUT a voice plan. Give my an iPhone with $30 unlimited data and I can use data for all my voice and texting needs. That would be full functionality for 1/3rd the price.
post #28 of 55
The problem here is that while we anticipate rate competition between ATT/VZ, that's not going to happen for a year or two at least. Those who MUST have an iPhone on VZ will be driving sales for the next year at least, if not 2, depending on contracts. Only once the populations stabilize will there be any kind of pressure between ATT/VZ. Unless ATT sees a LOT of bleeding (which may happen at first because the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side of the fence). T-Mob and Sprint have a vested interest in being flexible about their rate plans until the iPhone is ubiquitous on all carriers in the US. Once it is present as an offering on all carriers then all carriers will drive more rate competition. But keep in mind also that the carriers have been accused of colluding on rate setting in the past, so no quarantees here.

Apple as a partner drove the lower rate packages with ATT as they met with ATT to review data useage by the iPhones as a population, and asked to see what the data map looked like. Remember all those outside reports claiming that iPhone was using more data than any other smartphone? Apple asked to confirm that claim and in reviewing the actual reported useage drove the 70/20 lower rate plans for 200MB and 2GB plans. Not that many use or need the "unlimited" plan in the consumer population - mostly us technocrats and we are less than the more generous 10% claimed. The rest fall under the two lower plans 70%-200MB or 20%-2GB.
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post #29 of 55
I was happy when AT&T changed... I'd rather them have kept an unlimited though, but... still

I use about 50 - 100mb a month maximum in data... knocking down my data plan has saved me money. I'd hate to have to always pay $30 a month no matter what... now if it came with hotspot usage at that price, well I'd actually use it with my computer then, but they probably want even more for that.
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Most people would be better off if they offered it WITHOUT a voice plan. Give my an iPhone with $30 unlimited data and I can use data for all my voice and texting needs. That would be full functionality for 1/3rd the price.

...you are spot on for this one! I know a large number of my fellow technology workforce who would love to drop voice altogether and just run data-only. Except that the "most people" qualifier isn't really true - most technology people - absolutely. The average user still has a long ways to go to embrace data-driven communication only.
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...you are spot on for this one! I know a large number of my fellow technology workforce who would love to drop voice altogether and just run data-only. Except that the "most people" qualifier isn't really true - most technology people - absolutely. The average user still has a long ways to go to embrace data-driven communication only.

That's like asking them to just fix SMS so it uses data, and you don't have to pay extra for the privilege of sending texts that are smaller than 1 kb of data. That'll never happen. Why? Cuz they said so. Pay up. Probably the same reason they only offered unlimited data. I bet this will backfire and lots of people that wanted to get iPhone with the $15/month data plan will simply go AT&T.
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hoping that with two carriers, someone might be interested in competitive pricing. *sigh* I guess I'm still not worthy of an iPhone, since I can't afford their plans. I guess I"m gonna have to go with Virgin Mobile and $25 a month for unlimited data and 300 minutes of voice on a non-iPhone.

Virgin Mobile in the U.S. is $40/month with a recently introduced 5GB cap. I dumped it and went back to my Sprint $60/month unlimited plan. Besides, Virgin's USB dongle is crap, with an antenna jack that doesn't even work properly, and lame-o software. I'm not happy about buying this shit gizmo for $75 only to have Virgin change its terms after the fact.

I'll look seriously at the Verizon plans when they are announced, but there is NO WAY I'm gonna pay through the nose for a phone plan. AT&T will never again get my business for anything.
post #33 of 55
Agreed. It is a negative because one size doesn't fit all. I am on T-Mobile with my iPhone. I love it. I don't have any data plan because I use wi-fi strictly. Why would I want to pay thirty dollars a month for data when I would hardly use it. I would pay five to ten dollars a month for expanded GPS capacity. Currently, I have to download my maps in advance.

QUOTE=kexicao;1793439]Of course it's a negative thing. It took choices away from you. Especially for people like me who has wifi access both at home and at work. Only time I need the data access is on the road. The existing $15/150mb plan suits me and my other family members perfectly. Now I don't think we are going to upgrade our droid phones to iphones any more.[/QUOTE]
post #34 of 55
I expect tethering to cost another $20 to $30, not unlike the cost of a 3G wireless card.

Maybe AT&T will eventually offer unlimited with tethering as an option.

I always fit under 2GB per month, never under 200MB per month. I keep the unlimited plan just in case. It's worth $60 more a year. I have used the flashlight app occasionally.
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Will Verizon charge extra for Visual Voice Mail on the iPhone, like they do for other smartphones?
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Agreed. It is a negative because one size doesn't fit all. I am on T-Mobile with my iPhone. I love it. I don't have any data plan because I use wi-fi strictly. Why would I want to pay thirty dollars a month for data when I would hardly use it. I would pay five to ten dollars a month for expanded GPS capacity. Currently, I have to download my maps in advance.

QUOTE=kexicao;1793439]Of course it's a negative thing. It took choices away from you. Especially for people like me who has wifi access both at home and at work. Only time I need the data access is on the road. The existing $15/150mb plan suits me and my other family members perfectly. Now I don't think we are going to upgrade our droid phones to iphones any more.

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And that is really the question.....

Can verizon seriously MAKE everyone getting the iphone get an unlimited plan while allowing people who get Android or any other type of smart phone have tiered options?

That sounds totally f-cked if you ask me.

It almost doesn't even sound legal, and if I was apple and this report were true (I could be misunderstanding), I would be thoroughly pissed off.
post #37 of 55
Why would I want to cap my data on a smartphone? I like to listen to Pandora while i'm at work all day and use facebook, surf the web, send emails. I use from 6 to 9 gig a month. Last time I cap my data on my Blackberry I had a $300 phone bill. I don't have time to see how much data I'm using a month. What's the purpose of having a smartphone if you're only using 200mb a month,smartphones are like pocket computers now, you're defeating the purpose of having one really if you cap your data. I can burn that up 200mb in a couple of days.
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Why would I want to cap my data on a smartphone? I like to listen to Pandora while i'm at work all day and use facebook, surf the web, send emails. I use from 6 to 9 gig a month. Last time I cap my data on my Blackberry I had a $300 phone bill. I don't have time to see how much data I'm using a month. What's the purpose of having a smartphone if you're only using 200mb a month,smartphones are like pocket computers now, you're defeating the purpose of having one really if you cap your data. I can burn that up 200mb in a couple of days.

That would be true if smartphones were not wifi capable.

But they are, and non-smart phones are not.

People who are in wifi areas for most of thier time get ripped the F off for an unlimited plan while possibly using as much DATA as you do.

They just dont use CELLULAR data as much.
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Originally Posted by Jcoz View Post

That would be true if smartphones were not wifi capable.

But they are, and non-smart phones are not.

People who are in wifi areas for most of thier time get ripped the F off for an unlimited plan while possibly using as much DATA as you do.

They just dont use CELLULAR data as much.


After watching the news earlier this week will make people think twice about jumping on wifi, people are stealing info by setting up dummy wifi's
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

i have unlimited data and for a long time now the hotspot feature. oh wait, i am using android....

Ive had the same thing for a long time...oh wait I have a jail broken iPhone like everyone else who actually needs to use it.

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After watching the news earlier this week will make people think twice about jumping on wifi, people are stealing info by setting up dummy wifi's

They call it dummy wifi because that's what you'd have to be to use a random network you're not familiar with.

Who would use any wifi network besides their home, work, airport, and snack location (Starbucks, mcdonalds)?
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