Apple becomes No. 3 global PC maker with 241% growth, if iPad is included - Page 5

Originally Posted by solipsism

Touché.

One could argue that these devices have disconnected us in ways that are bad for society as a whole. That these are actually impersonal computers.

Texting while walking while not paying attention

I cant recall the last time I didnt agree with some point extremeskater was making.

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I didn't say that and the Calculator is not a subcategory of a personal computer "PC". The main functional distinction of a PC is being multifunction and general-purpose.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Why couldn't Apple do this starting today -- why wait for iPad3 or even iPad2?


The reinstall drive already exists,
The AirPort Express already exists.
MobileMe already exists.
iTunes Music Store and App store already know everything you've bought from them.
The North Carolina Data Center already exists.

The Airport Express (package, as described) is the digital hub between all the services in the home to all the services in the cloud.

Originally Posted by nht

Why do you need the Airport express at all? Not sure why you need the reinstall drive either but I guess it's nice to have.

If you wanted to force them to buy an Apple router I would make the base a iOS based TimeCapsule and allow it to store media for all iDevices including the aTV for those times the network is down and you can't see the NC data center.

$299 for an iOS based TimeCapsule to replace the host computer. Maybe buy the iHome company to get the rights to that name and rename it the iHome.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Well Mouse and I got into it a long while back and while I can't remember the exact situation I am sure I posted something that came off bad and offended him so hopefully he can forgive me and we can both move on. Then with all the stupid trolling going on with users coming back under different names it just makes debates that much harder because people feel on edge.

Back to our point about personal computers while I'm not a huge Wiki fan I think this line sums it up best.

A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator. PCs include any type of computer that is used in a "personal" manner.

Any type of computer that is used in a "personal" manner. Its not about some mystery hardware spec that is needs to meet or even a software spec. It's about what any given end users may need for their own personal use.

I am sure there needs to be some kind of line when it comes to hardware and software specs, I wouldn't exactly put a Kindle the the catagory of personal computer and in many areas I feel the iPad is really on the line because I feel this first gen product lacks some software features limited by iOS.

Its kind of like with high speed internet it has to at least meet 4mbps to be considered high speed. ATT can no longer sell 256kps and call it broadband lite. So I agree there needs to at least be a hardware and software spec met which these days shouldn't be that hard for many devices to meet.

Originally Posted by Doctor David

Well this has been an entertaining thread.
While everyone is arguing as to what constitutes a tree, apple has planted a forest.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum


-- combine the Airport Express within the iPad charger as part of the iPad package

You need the reinstall drive if the iPad bricks and you don't have convenient access to another computer.

Originally Posted by Doctor David

Well this has been an entertaining thread.
While everyone is arguing as to what constitutes a tree, apple has planted a forest.

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

With Mac and iPad sales combined, Apple computer sales grew 241 percent year over year in the fourth quarter of 2010, vaulting the company into third place in worldwide PC sales research, firm Canalys revealed on Wednesday.

With Mac and iPad sales combined, Apple shipped 11.5 million units in the holiday quarter of 2010. That was enough for the Cupertino, Calif., company to edge out Dell, which has 11.4 million units.

Apple took 10.8 percent of global PC sales, according to numbers from Canalys. And with record year-over-year growth dwarfing the rest of the industry, Apple is now within striking distance of the No. 2 worldwide manufacturer, Acer, with 13.6 million units in the fourth quarter of 2010.

The addition of iPad sales helped Apple tremendously, giving the company 241 percent growth from the same period in 2009, compared with industry-wide growth of 19.2 percent. A year prior, the company sold 3.4 million Macs.

"Any argument that a pad is not a PC is simply out of sync," said Canalys senior analyst Daryl Chiam. "With screen sizes of seven inches or above, ample processing power, and a growing number of applications, pads offer a computing experience comparable to netbooks. They compete for the same customers and will happily coexist. As with smart phones, some users will require a physical keyboard, while others will do without."

The top vendor for the quarter was HP, which sold 18.7 million units, good for 17.7 percent of the market. While HP maintained its No. 1 position, it grew sales just 2.9 percent year over year, well behind Apple, as well as the market average.

"Pads gave consumers increased product choice over the holiday season," Canalys analyst Tim Coulling said. "While they do not appeal to first-time buyers or low-income households, they are proving extremely popular as additional computing devices."



Last week, Apple revealed record sales of Macs and iPads in its quarterly earnings report. The company reported 4.13 million Mac sales, a 23 percent increase over the same period a year prior.

Apple also sold 7.33 million iPads in the holiday quarter -- the first such sales period for the touchscreen tablet, which launched in April 2010. But since its debut, the iPad, with a starting price of $499, outsold the Mac, leading one Wall Street analyst to refer to the device as Apple's "Mac of the masses."

Originally Posted by newbee

Wouldn't you know it? ... there's always some "smart ass" who knows exactly how to "cut to the chase" .... brilliant! Your comment "stings" .... but I can't stop laughing. lol

Originally Posted by huntson

Once again I must say that the iPad is NOT A FUCKING PC

Originally Posted by Doctor David

Well this has been an entertaining thread.
While everyone is arguing as to what constitutes a tree, apple has planted a forest.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Thanks again for saying that. You are wrong on many levels but thanks again for stating your point with zero logic to back it up.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

How does it sting? Is it the fact that a smart ass doesn't have a clue that when somenone is #1 there is only one place to go if they aren't careful? People have a short ass memory at times.

As good at Apple is doing their current Market Cap isn't even close to what Microsoft had years ago which I believe top 500 Billion.

Know what happens to a forest most of the time. Someone comes by and cuts it down.

Originally Posted by nht

Paint me slow but I still don't get this. I would just assume the user has wireless access (3G or 802.11n) somehow.



Sure, but you can just revert to a baseline iOS image on a hard reset. Since the reinstall drive is going to be an old version of iOS anyway they can stick that into a protected region on the iPad and try to update after you get back to a known good state. If you can't get there or managed somehow to wipe even the protected area then you need to send it in for service.

When I say "protected area" this could be as simple as saving a good iOS image somewhere in the baseband flash. OTA updates with built in catastrophic failure recovery isn't rocket science and something even Android manages

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Here's his logic: A computer is a standalone device.

One sentence. Nice and concise.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

How does it sting? Is it the fact that a smart ass doesn't have a clue that when somenone is #1 there is only one place to go if they aren't careful? People have a short ass memory at times.

As good at Apple is doing their current Market Cap isn't even close to what Microsoft had years ago which I believe top 500 Billion.

Know what happens to a forest most of the time. Someone comes by and cuts it down.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Here's his logic: A computer is a standalone device.

One sentence. Nice and concise.

Originally Posted by Haggar

Could this debate also be due to the fact that classifying an iPad as a PC helps boost Apple's numbers? But on the other hand, I thought market share doesn't matter to Mac users.

Originally Posted by Haggar

Could this debate also be due to the fact that classifying an iPad as a PC helps boost Apple's numbers? But on the other hand, I thought market share doesn't matter to Mac users.

Originally Posted by NotCEOyouda

Seriously. Apple should include the iPod Touch into its computer sales. They run full apps on a full iOS. As such, it has all the abilities of the iPad, which clearly is a full fledged computer.

Originally Posted by ascii

It matters to shareholders, and since the number of corporate-type articles on this site seem to outnumber the technical ones, perhaps they are who this site is aimed at.

Originally Posted by Random Walk


IMHO, the iPad (and Galaxy Tab, HP Slate, etc) should count as personal computers, and I find it interesting that they wouldn't be by the likes of IDC, Gartner, etc.

Originally Posted by huntson

Once again I must say that the iPad is NOT A F***ING PC

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

When Apple ships the iPad with an iOS reinstall drive:

And a combined Charger/Airport Express:

and comes with MobileMe Backup/Sync/Mobile Extensions tied into iTunes stores


Then the iPad will be a superior solution to first-time buyers and the iPad will be the Apple of the masses.

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

The revelation comes as somewhat of a surprise, given that Apple has now sold over 15 million iPads, while Apple TVs capable of playing Netflix have just recently sold over a million units.

Originally Posted by ChiA

... I couldn't help but wonder if years ago people were debating the difference between a cart, a wagon and a coach ...

... The vehicle was not exactly a gig, neither was it a stanhope. It was not what is currently denominated a dog-cart, neither was it a taxed cart, nor a chaise-cart, nor a guillotined cabriolet; and yet it had something of the character of each and every of these machines. ...

Originally Posted by pmz

I really hate it when people display poor reading comprehension. First of all, you are completely wrong. Secondly I said UPDATES. 3rd, no the MacBook air ships with a thumb drive containing the restore disc, and 4th it has always been able to use the super drive accessory.

And, it ships activated. Complete and total fail on your part. Next.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Reminded me of a passage from The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens. Not exactly a debate, but some degree of uncertainty regarding the nature of a particular vehicle:

Originally Posted by ascii

It's not arbitrary. To me, the fact of having to sync changes my perception of the device the whole time I'm using it. When I create a file I'm thinking about the next sync. When I see the battery go down I'm thinking about the next sync. When I create a bookmark I'm thinking about the next sync. Sync is not an isolated thing that happens when I plug in, it is always there, effecting how I use it.

Originally Posted by LewysBlackmore

Perfect example - like the "horseless carriage"

The horse was a bay, a well-looking animal enough; but with something of a flash and dog-fighting air about him, nevertheless, which accorded both with the vehicle and his master.

Originally Posted by alandail

Question - how do you update to a new release of the OS on a netbook? How do you reinstall the OS is soemthing goes wrong? My daughter has a netbook that has no CD/DVD drive and has a corrupted copy of windows. It's been useless for months now as there appears to be no way to fix it. It sure would be nice if I could just plug it into another computer to restore it like I can with an iPad.

Originally Posted by iLiver

It's a lttle early for April fools.
If an iPad is considered a computer then so should an iPod Touch and a Sony Dash.
And netbooks can play flash and don't need to be synced to a mother computer because they ARE a computer.