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post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Two, there seems to be no option to fast forward (or rewind).

Three, unlike Youtube, there's no airplay option from the iPad or iPhone.

Why would you need to use Airplay with Netflix when the Netflix App on the ATV does the streaming directly?
Fast forwards and rewind work fine both on my ATV remote and my iPhone.
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by gregquinn View Post

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Steve Jobs who described ATV as a hobby.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. I'm aware of him using that phrase numerous times, the first being a couple of years ago.

Thompson
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by JamesJpn View Post

"The revelation comes as somewhat of a surprise, given that Apple has now sold over 15 million iPads, while Apple TV has sold in the low millions." I'm not sure why the AppleInsider author Daniel Eran Dilger is somewhat surprised at this revelation when a vast number of iPads have been sold around the world where Netflix is unavailable. Sometimes these authors spout phrases that are nonsensical.

plus you can use an iPad for a lot more than watching video while that's pretty much the sole function of the apple TV. And Netflix is preinstalled on AppleTV and an optional install on the iPad.
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. I'm aware of him using that phrase numerous times, the first being a couple of years ago.

Thompson

And he also coined "Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" 2 years ago.
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

And he also coined "Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" 2 years ago.

we went to watch toy story 3 on our living room blu-ray player. It wouldn't play. We had to carry the player from our bedroom in there to watch it. I'm pretty sure it had to do with continuously having to update the firmware on the players, something that was never an issue with DVD players.
post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

we went to watch toy story 3 on our living room blu-ray player. It wouldn't play. We had to carry the player from our bedroom in there to watch it. I'm pretty sure it had to do with continuously having to update the firmware on the players, something that was never an issue with DVD players.

...and how many times do you download an iTunes updater per year? Your point?
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

...and how many times do you download an iTunes updater per year? Your point?

Are you really trying to compare a networked computer to a non-networked disc player? And I'm pretty certain that a Toy Story DVD will play on 10 any random 10 year old DVD player (including the oldest iMacs with DVD drives) without requiring a firmware update or an OS update.

The point is that I should be able to hand a blu-ray disk to my daughters and expect them to be able to watch it in the living room blu-ray player without calling me for technical support.
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Are you really trying to compare a networked computer to a non-networked disc player? And I'm pretty certain that a Toy Story DVD will play on 10 any random 10 year old DVD player (including the oldest iMacs with DVD drives) without requiring a firmware update or an OS update.

The point is that I should be able to hand a blu-ray disk to my daughters and expect them to be able to watch it in the living room blu-ray player without calling me for technical support.

Says who? You're supposed to update your firmware in all blu-ray players periodically especially if a new disc doesn't play. It's listed in every blu-ray player manual. It's not going to magically update your firmware- why would you even think that possible?
And you shouldn't try to comparing a DVD disc with a Blu-ray disc in the first place- that's your first mistake. They both might be oval-shaped, optically-read physical media but the similarity stops there. I'm not going to explain the differences in technology perhaps you should Wiki it and learn how different they actually are.
You should be grateful that you can get a free upgrade to your Blu-ray player as new features are always being added to discs rather than complain about it.
post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

Says who? You're supposed to update your firmware in all blu-ray players periodically especially if a new disc doesn't play. It's listed in every blu-ray player manual. It's not going to magically update your firmware- why would you even think that possible?
And you shouldn't try to comparing a DVD disc with a Blu-ray disc in the first place- that's your first mistake. They both might be oval-shaped, optically-read physical media but the similarity stops there. I'm not going to explain the differences in technology perhaps you should Wiki it and learn how different they actually are.
You should be grateful that you can get a free upgrade to your Blu-ray player as new features are always being added to discs rather than complain about it.

So let me get this straight. If I buy a product and I am not happy with the way it works, I can't complain about how it functions as long as it was specified in the manual? Alandil's point was in response to Jobs' comment that "Blu-ray is a bag of hurt." I fail to see how your response invalidates that comment. Maybe Blu-ray "has" to be that way, but that doesn't mean that we all have to just suck it up. Jobs understood that streaming was the future and that while Blu-ray is great to look at, most people don't see enough difference to put up with the hassles (like having to update firmware, re-purchase movies I already own, etc.). So, for a consumer device, asking the user to update firmware is inconvenient if not beyond many people's abilities. That definitely seems like some of the hurt that might be in that bag.
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by nunyabinez View Post

So let me get this straight. If I buy a product and I am not happy with the way it works, I can't complain about how it functions as long as it was specified in the manual?

Well, I'd sort of have to agree with that. If I bought an iMac, how would people respond if I came here complaining about how it's not upgradeable? People should take responsibility for the choices they make. If the OP blindly went out and bought a Blu-Ray player without doing any research on the technology, than he has no real right to complain about required firmware issues since that is an easy thing to discover (just like an iMac's inability to have significant upgrades). Also, the disc he's complaining about starts with a message stating to check for firmware upgrades if there are any playback issues (which is a fairly standard message on Blu-Ray discs, especially Disney releases).
post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

...and how many times do you download an iTunes updater per year? Your point?

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Originally Posted by iLiver View Post

Says who? You're supposed to update your firmware in all blu-ray players periodically especially if a new disc doesn't play. It's listed in every blu-ray player manual. It's not going to magically update your firmware- why would you even think that possible?
And you shouldn't try to comparing a DVD disc with a Blu-ray disc in the first place- that's your first mistake. They both might be oval-shaped, optically-read physical media but the similarity stops there. I'm not going to explain the differences in technology perhaps you should Wiki it and learn how different they actually are.
You should be grateful that you can get a free upgrade to your Blu-ray player as new features are always being added to discs rather than complain about it.

it's not my mistake, it's Blu-Ray's mistake, and is why Steve Jobs said Blu Ray is a bag of hurt. Playing a movie shouldn't require new features. A parent should be able to hand a movie disc to their 9 year old daughter and expect them to be able to watch it on the disc player in the living room without requiring technical support.
post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Well, I'd sort of have to agree with that. If I bought an iMac, how would people respond if I came here complaining about how it's not upgradeable? People should take responsibility for the choices they make. If the OP blindly went out and bought a Blu-Ray player without doing any research on the technology, than he has no real right to complain about required firmware issues since that is an easy thing to discover (just like an iMac's inability to have significant upgrades). Also, the disc he's complaining about starts with a message stating to check for firmware upgrades if there are any playback issues (which is a fairly standard message on Blu-Ray discs, especially Disney releases).

the behavior we witnessed is the main menu comes up, we select play, get a blank screen, then get a waiting animation, then a blank screen again, then a waiting animation, then back to the main menu. Nowhere in that process does it say to upgrade the firmware. I don't know if it said that earlier because i wasn't in the room.

There is no ethernet in the living room, there is no wireless in the Blu Ray player. How is the firmware supposed to be updated? How is my 9 year old daughter supposed to be able to do it so she can watch her movie?

BluRay is marketed as a replacement for DVD, this sort of issue never came up with DVDs. Again, I'm certain that I could dig up one of our old DVD players and watch the DVD of toy story 3 with no problems. It's a design flaw that the same isn't true of blu ray.
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

the behavior we witnessed is the main menu comes up, we select play, get a blank screen, then get a waiting animation, then a blank screen again, then a waiting animation, then back to the main menu. Nowhere in that process does it say to upgrade the firmware. I don't know if it said that earlier because i wasn't in the room.

The firmware message is the very first thing that pops up when the disc starts playing. I know because I own this disc.

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There is no ethernet in the living room, there is no wireless in the Blu Ray player. How is the firmware supposed to be updated? How is my 9 year old daughter supposed to be able to do it so she can watch her movie?

Download the firmware from the manufacturer's website and burn it to DVD. Than insert into Blu-Ray player. Pretty simple. With some simple instruction, I'm betting even your 9 year old could do that.

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BluRay is marketed as a replacement for DVD, this sort of issue never came up with DVDs. Again, I'm certain that I could dig up one of our old DVD players and watch the DVD of toy story 3 with no problems. It's a design flaw that the same isn't true of blu ray.

Blu-Ray isn't DVD. And yes, actually, in it's first few years of existence, DVD did have similar issues. It having been so long ago, you may not remember but I'm sure you can Google (or Bing it) to find them.

Again, did you actually do any research before you bought the Blu-Ray player? If not, then I feel little simpathy for your issues. It's not exactly something that's been swept under the rug. Go to any product page for a Blu-Ray disc on Amazon.com and you'll find this warning:

All About Firmware: Having trouble with your high-def disc player? Will certain discs just not play? You may need to update the firmware inside your machine. Learn how and see links to more information on manufacturers' sites.
post #54 of 57
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

it's not my mistake, it's Blu-Ray's mistake, and is why Steve Jobs said Blu Ray is a bag of hurt. Playing a movie shouldn't require new features. A parent should be able to hand a movie disc to their 9 year old daughter and expect them to be able to watch it on the disc player in the living room without requiring technical support.

Why would you let your 9 year old daughter play with such a sophisticated adult piece of machinery in the first place? She could fingerprint the disc, drop it, jam it etc, etc ,etc? Maybe your parenting/child allowances need to be re-evaluated. My parents never let me touch their LPs back in the day. Why are kids allowed such adult tasks today in the first place? Sounds like your mistake.
I highly doubt Steve jobs said "Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" because your daughter can't play a disc because you never read that you need to update the firmware????
post #55 of 57
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

we went to watch toy story 3 on our living room blu-ray player. It wouldn't play. We had to carry the player from our bedroom in there to watch it. I'm pretty sure it had to do with continuously having to update the firmware on the players, something that was never an issue with DVD players.

Toy Story 3 played on all my Blu-ray players, including the one that hasn't had a firmware update applied in a very long time.

Maybe you have a crappy player, what brand was it?
post #56 of 57
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Blu-Ray isn't DVD. And yes, actually, in it's first few years of existence, DVD did have similar issues. It having been so long ago, you may not remember but I'm sure you can Google (or Bing it) to find them.

True, I wish they had DVD player firmware updates, I have owned a couple that could have benefitted from them
post #57 of 57
I rented a movie on my itunes account and downloaded the movie to my mac pro. I use this as my home server and I store a lot of movies on this machine. But I decided to try a rental. But I am not able to see the rental movie from my apple tv. I have no problem seeing all my other movies. But I just cant see the rental. Does anyone know how to resolve this?
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