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Apple's lead over HP and Dell in customer service satisfaction rankings has narrowed over the last year, but its customers still reported fewer nuisance issues and greater satisfaction by a significant margin.

According to the National Customer Service Survey report by Vocalabs, which compares the customer service quality of different companies in the same industry using call statistics and survey data collected from over 2,100 users immediately after they place a service call, Apple's customer service remains the best in its class.

However, the percentage of Apple's customers reporting that their problem was solved on the call dropped 7 points to 60 percent over the second half of 2010. Additionally, the number of customers reporting satisfaction with Apple's automated call handling also slipped.

Vocalabs' calculates a "nuisance factor" for Interactive Voice Response (IVR) systems, the industry term for automated telephone systems, which figures in customer reported problems such as irrelevant or repetitive steps or difficulty reaching an agent.

By that metric, 35 percent of Apple customers in the second half of 2010 reported issues, compared to just 21 percent a year ago, or 31 percent in the first half of 2010, a drop of 4 percentage points within 2010. In contrast, both Dell and HP improved by 9 and 7 percentage points, respectively, over that same period.

Their improvement wasn't enough to catch up, but it did narrow Apple's lead. Last year, Apple's "Nuisance Factor" was less than half that of Dell's, while the most recent survey numbers indicate just an 11 point lead.

In general satisfaction rankings, 66 percent of Apple's customers reported that they were "very satisfied" with their call, while only 51 percent of HP callers and just 49 percent of Dell's customers said the same.
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That's what happens when you start getting big time into the masses.
Some people will never be satisfied. And some people are just too dumb to navigate automated phone menus.
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I can't comment much about the personal support service with Dell, but when it comes to supporting our racks of Dell PowerEdge servers, their support (5+ years) has always been first-rate. They even continued supporting us over the phone on equipment that was no longer covered. Before that, they were pretty bad when they outsourced everything overseas.
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I often try to guess at who wrote the article by the title.

DEDs titles are usually a dead give away. But not this time. And the article stayed pretty much to the facts also.

Well done.
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I often try to guess at who wrote the article by the title.

DEDs titles are usually a dead give away. But not this time. And the article stayed pretty much to the facts also.

Well done.

Minus the fact that this story is full of BS.
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... According to the National Customer Service Survey report by Vocalabs, which compares the customer service quality of different companies ... immediately after they place a service call, Apple's customer service remains the best in its class. ...

It seems like a gigantic flaw in this survey that it only included telephone service. It appears from the way this is worded that it doesn't track IM or email based support.

I don't know about down in the US of A, but in Canada, Apple's phone support is some of the worst I've ever experienced. Huge wait times, hold "music" that is just high pitched static (and amazingly it's been that way for years!), rude representatives, hang-ups, etc.

For that reason I *always* try to deal with support issues using IM or email, which I would rate as "fantastic" and "good" (respectively).
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Minus the fact that this story is full of BS.

What is your reasoning for this? Seriously. I am curious since I have not had a bad experience (ever) with Apple and their support. I have never seen numbers that attempted to quantify satisfaction (especially with the robophones - I hate them with a passion but have found Apple's very reasonable.)
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I would have more faith in this story if the chart didn't have the glaring typo of the word "repetitive."
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I often try to guess at who wrote the article by the title. ...

Why do you care? It strongly suggests you come to the stories with your own set of biases, yet the point of your post seems to be to imply that the writers are hopelessly biased.

IME "Kasper's Automated Slave" stories are mostly just reports from the field with no commentary or slant. If it's a proper article with a point of view, then the author typically puts their name on it as they should.
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It seems like a gigantic flaw in this survey that it only included telephone service. It appears from the way this is worded that it doesn't track IM or email based support.

I don't know about down in the US of A, but in Canada, Apple's phone support is some of the worst I've ever experienced. Huge wait times, hold "music" that is just high pitched static (and amazingly it's been that way for years!), rude representatives, hang-ups, etc.

For that reason I *always* try to deal with support issues using IM or email, which I would rate as "fantastic" and "good" (respectively).

Wow - My exp here (in the USA) has been just the opposite. Hold times (queued up) are normally short for me (a min or two) and never had a rude representative - I have had a couple that it took a minute to explain that "yes, I already tried that to no avail" but calls have been excellent - I have never used enail/IM so I can't comment on that.
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That's what happens when you start getting big time into the masses.
Some people will never be satisfied. And some people are just too dumb to navigate automated phone menus.

Ouch. This smacks of elitism. I'm envisioning dumb masses too neanderthal to punch the right buttons on their phones. I hope that's not what you're saying. I'm glad you're not in charge of service improvements at Apple support. AVR is really helpful for both callers and businesses and there's always room for improvement.

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I don't know about down in the US of A,.

My couple of calls have been really great experiences. I quickly get to the right tech who is someone who can speak to me in my language (highly technical), is very personable (this is just a nice bonus as far as I'm concerned) and can solve my problem on that call. I don't seem to remember any high pitched static on wait times.
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Why do you care? It strongly suggests you come to the stories with your own set of biases, yet the point of your post seems to be to imply that the writers are hopelessly biased.

IME "Kasper's Automated Slave" stories are mostly just reports from the field with no commentary or slant. If it's a proper article with a point of view, then the author typically puts their name on it as they should.

My bias is to read factual information. And the typical DED article goes against that bias.
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What is your reasoning for this? Seriously. I am curious since I have not had a bad experience (ever) with Apple and their support. I have never seen numbers that attempted to quantify satisfaction (especially with the robophones - I hate them with a passion but have found Apple's very reasonable.)

I'm talking about the fact that allegedly more people are having issues now than a year ago. It's just hard to believe, because it's same Mac OS X, same iOS and same devices and same hardware etc. 21% to 35% is 14% more - makes this a BS.
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I'm talking about the fact that allegedly more people are having issues now than a year ago. It's just hard to believe, because it's same Mac OS X, same iOS and same devices and same hardware etc. 21% to 35% is 14% more - makes this a BS.

I think this article is about the quality of the support, and the number of people who are satisfied with their support calls vs. those who aren't. It's not saying that Apple support received more calls (or fewer calls).
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I think it speaks more to the quality of the customer calling, frankly the phrase "there is no dumb question" has lost a lot of meaning, because as a support professional I can definitely say that people are more hostile than they've been in a while and just don't have a basic grasp on how to do anything. Apple is getting more of the people now just fed up with Windows, but they expect that the Mac runs on Magic and should be able to read their minds, so I think the satisfaction rating has more to do with higher expectations than the rest, from people who are frankly clueless, Apple's wait times are better than anyone else, they are still easier to deal with than anyone else.

I often want to tell people, "Yes, it is a Mac, but you still want to read the "manual""

If people ever actually figured out Google, support pros would be less busy, but able to focus on more useful tasks.
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Prior to her death last May, for a year and a half my wife was confined to a nursing home. During that time her lifeline to the world was her MacBook. Although I regularly brought the computer home for updates and a thorough look-see, after her death I discovered a few non-performing keys. I called Apple and explained the situation, telling them truthfully that I was sure, as my wife had suffered from Parkinsons disease and was thus pretty shaky, that the MacBook had suffered a spill. I said I didnt expect them to fix it for nothing, I just wanted it fixed. The Apple service reps reply? Whether its your fault or our fault the repairs are on us. They were.
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Prior to her death last May, for a year and a half my wife was confined to a nursing home. During that time her lifeline to the world was her MacBook. Although I regularly brought the computer home for updates and a thorough look-see, after her death I discovered a few non-performing keys. I called Apple and explained the situation, telling them truthfully that I was sure, as my wife had suffered from Parkinsons disease and was thus pretty shaky, that the MacBook had suffered a spill. I said I didnt expect them to fix it for nothing, I just wanted it fixed. The Apple service reps reply? Whether its your fault or our fault the repairs are on us. They were.

What a touching story. Apple gets some flack for being pretentious or snooty, but in my experience they've almost always been a class act. My one bad experience was with my 2004 iBook, when the logic board fried itself and I had to pay $300 to replace it

More companies could learn from Apple's customer service. Just the other day, I tried to contact my health care provider about my plan. For 5-10 minutes I was wandering the automated voice system trying to find the right one. And of course, there was no "escape route" to speak to a real human being. Just had to keep trying each branch of the tree until I chose the right one
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I think this article is about the quality of the support, and the number of people who are satisfied with their support calls vs. those who aren't. It's not saying that Apple support received more calls (or fewer calls).

It must be the tens of millions of people ringing in about the iPhone 4 with it's MAJOR DESIGN FLAW!!!â„¢

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Ouch. This smacks of elitism. I'm envisioning dumb masses too neanderthal to punch the right buttons on their phones. I hope that's not what you're saying. I'm glad you're not in charge of service improvements at Apple support. AVR is really helpful for both callers and businesses and there's always room for improvement.

I think what he is trying to say is that this problem started when they started selling iPods and iPhones to the Neanderthals at WALMART.
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I hope they finally trained India support not to hang up on customers and if they cannot find contract number then ask for help their supervisor rather than being rude and suspect that someone tries to trick them.

It happened to me. Only good guys in Canadian support (because US support seems to be redirected to India) were helpful to find my multi year support contract and then redirect back to India with all neccessary info.


We used to have US onshore support where engieers were very helpful even on Saturday morning and resolution was in minutes. Now we have to deal with a business-cultural-communication gap.
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I'm talking about the fact that allegedly more people are having issues now than a year ago. It's just hard to believe, because it's same Mac OS X, same iOS and same devices and same hardware etc. 21% to 35% is 14% more - makes this a BS.

Having everything stay the same yet having more people complain is certainly a valid possibility. Considering the massive increase in sales, there are bound to be some people who bought apple product with certain false expectations, and were irate when it turns out to be not true. And I don't think Apple could increase the number of tech support team to match the increased user base while still keep up the skill level. So service quality is most certainly going to suffer.
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To be honest I have had instances of horrible service from Dell and Apple but never from HP. That is just my luck.

I shipped a laptop back to Dell for repair and they shipped me my repaired laptop....only a different model. Took another week before they just ended up crediting me and sending me a new laptop of the same model. I have had several good experiences but that pretty much turned me off Dell.

I went into the Apple Store to get a new DVD drive on my iMac. It was two years old and died. Their response, "Sorry, Apple doesn't sell parts, but we can put a new one in for $xxx." I can't remember the actual cost but do remember thinking it was about 4 times the cost of a standard slot load drive. "Ok" I asked, "can you tell me the part number or where can I buy a drive that will fit." Their response, "Apple doesn't sell parts." And that is all he would repeat. Not even a..."I'm sure there are probably websites out there that might have that answer." or a "If you really want to do it yourself, which I don't suggest, you can check the Internet." Nothing but repeating "Apple doesn't sell parts." Seriously, I think he was brainwashed.
I have had several other great experiences with Apple where the tech or salesperson shared info that helped me as a customer a lot more than Apple as a company...and that is why I still go back.

I have had to send several things to HP and call them on the phone a few times and have to say it has been flawless. Quick repair and short productive phone calls. I still recommend them to anyone who says they want a Windows machine.
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Wow - My exp here (in the USA) has been just the opposite. Hold times (queued up) are normally short for me (a min or two) and never had a rude representative - I have had a couple that it took a minute to explain that "yes, I already tried that to no avail" but calls have been excellent - I have never used enail/IM so I can't comment on that.

Unfortunately, it's not just the telephone. In Canada, I haven't had good service in store more than a handful of times. The agents and geniuses are rude, haughty, and buggers to work with. I'm not sure what's wrong because it's not like Canadian service is worse. Apple store folk, however, are horrid.
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That's what happens when you start getting big time into the masses.
Some people will never be satisfied. And some people are just too dumb to navigate automated phone menus.

I always thought that this would happen once Windows users switching got to the high point it is today.

There are always going to be those that are used to doing something a particular way, and will blame everyone around them if they cannot continue to perform whatever function in the manner they were used to on their previous POS.
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Wow - My exp here (in the USA) has been just the opposite. Hold times (queued up) are normally short for me (a min or two) and never had a rude representative - I have had a couple that it took a minute to explain that "yes, I already tried that to no avail" but calls have been excellent - I have never used enail/IM so I can't comment on that.

Unfortunately, it's not just the telephone. In Canada, I haven't had good service in store more than a handful of times. The agents and geniuses are rude, haughty, and buggers to work with. I'm not sure what's wrong because it's not like Canadian service is worse. Apple store folk, however, are horrid.
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Unfortunately, it's not just the telephone. In Canada, I haven't had good service in store more than a handful of times. The agents and geniuses are rude, haughty, and buggers to work with. I'm not sure what's wrong because it's not like Canadian service is worse. Apple store folk, however, are horrid.

Wow. Forum deja vu!
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The report does concern me. Mostly because I was not surprised to read about it. I have been around Macs for 20 to 25 years. So naturally I have had to deal with support of some type in that time.

I have noticed it is harder just to find the right person to contact.

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One support person kept sending me to Apple support links. Problem was they had nothing do with the issue I was dealing with. He had not read my eMail to him. After the second time of this I gave up and called by phone to Apple customer relations. It took about 10 minutes to finally get to the right person , after that the issue was resolved in about 5 minutes.

To be fair though, when compared to the support delivered by my mouse maker and my printer maker (2 companies) at least Apple is approachable. Instead of hiding behind a wall of red tape, self-help and endless waiting on Hold.

Honestly I feel Apple will find it very hard to avoid slippage in this area, Reason the cost of quality support is enormous.

PS Want to Try Hard to get customer support. Try " eBay " Forget it.
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The level of support I have personally had has been a mixture.
Some excellent some not so hot, but generally I give it a 8 out of 10, the same cannot be said for my mobile carrier, ISP or cable service.

Here is a breakdown of my Apple experience:
1. Power cord connector issue with my 4 year old MBP (out of warranty), was quoted about $120 Australian, but then the guy at the Apple shop said there may be a recall, there was, and I got a replacement for free. Great, very impressed, very trustworthy of Apple. 10/10

2. Transfer Apple care for 2 iPods to friends overseas, either the person at customer services was not trained up, or the procedure in place needs re-working. 5/10

3. Registration of my Apple products, either online or through telephone has been okay, not perfect, and eventually all was rectified, but took ages to be reflected online. 6/10

4. Lost App purchases on my iPad, iTunes dept were fantastic. 10/10

5. iPod battery issue, was mucked around a bit, got an new iPod touch, but it too is having issues, have given up, as now out of warranty. Could have been dealt better, 7/10

6. Called tech support on a few issues, the wait time was minimal and the advice top notch 10/10

So in all I have been quite satisfied with the level of support.
If they are slipping, it may be down to increased hiring of people and the training may have slipped due to time constraints. This can be rectified easily enough, and I'm sure Apple have procedures in place for such an eventuality.
I cannot comment on other computer industry support as I only have Apple products.
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I have fortunately had only good experiences dealing with Apple support.

It is interesting to consider the following in the context of this survey:
http://www.9to5mac.com/49420/apple-r...visor-programs
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But wait! I thought that, since Apple had stopped outsourcing this stuff, everything should be hunky-dory!? No more fake-accented foreigners to deal with?

/sarcasm

(Don't get me started on the incomprehensible homegrown accents -- and lack of basic competencies -- that I have repeatedly come across. And not just at Apple).
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Unfortunately, it's not just the telephone. In Canada, I haven't had good service in store more than a handful of times. The agents and geniuses are rude, haughty, and buggers to work with. I'm not sure what's wrong because it's not like Canadian service is worse. Apple store folk, however, are horrid.

I didn't know there was a city called Canada in Korea. I think he was referring to Canada the country. I have called apple a few times over the past 10 years, and have always been satisfied. Little or no wait times, and the questions and problems were always resolved. While I don't have any experience talking to geniuses but everyone else in the stores were very helpful and knowledgeable.
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I'm not surprised the figures went down, I recently had to call Apple for help with an iTunes query and spoke to what can only be described as two of the thickest, most stupid Americans I have ever had the displeasure to speak to. First of all they couldn't understand that Apple in Europe is not the same as Apple in the US (TBH I think they thought Europe was just another US state). I never got anywhere with the first person (a first ever for any call to Apple which in the past has been always exemplary) so I asked to speak to someone else; they were just as bad.

My guess is that Apple has increased the size of their call centre staff substantially (or outsourced to cheaper suppliers) and instead of having people who understand what you are talking about, now employ people who follow a much more tightly controlled script list but who don't know one end of a bar of soap from a toothbrush.

I miss the Apple of 2005 which was the best year in my opinion - the year I switched away from the dreaded PC world. Now Woz has gone so many things are losing something...

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That's what happens when you start getting big time into the masses.
Some people will never be satisfied. And some people are just too dumb to navigate automated phone menus.

as more and more people have apple products this seems natural. and you have to remember that apple designs for the dumb, i mean the technically challenged, so can't be angry when they don't understand the complexities of using a phone.
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I miss the Apple of 2005 which was the best year in my opinion - the year I switched away from the dreaded PC world. Now Woz has gone so many things are losing something...

Woz has been gone for over twenty years. I'm failing to see your point in this regard.
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That's what happens when you start getting big time into the masses.
Some people will never be satisfied. And some people are just too dumb to navigate automated phone menus.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I just hope they don't respond but trying to "dumb things down"... that's usually start of making a product completely useless.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

It seems like a gigantic flaw in this survey that it only included telephone service. It appears from the way this is worded that it doesn't track IM or email based support.

I don't know about down in the US of A, but in Canada, Apple's phone support is some of the worst I've ever experienced. Huge wait times, hold "music" that is just high pitched static (and amazingly it's been that way for years!), rude representatives, hang-ups, etc.

For that reason I *always* try to deal with support issues using IM or email, which I would rate as "fantastic" and "good" (respectively).

Apparently you have never called Dell support in India. In a thick Indian accent, They answer saying My name is Brian, how may I help you? Then they read the steps to solve your problem very fast so that through the accent you only catch the jist of what they are telling you, so you constantly have to stop them and tell them you can't make out what they are saying. Then after you get your instructions, they give you their extension number to call "them" back if you need further help. The number never goes to them. You have to go through the entire explanation again to a new guy named Kevin. I have better luck using on line techie forums to solve problems. Is Apple tech phone support better than that?
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