Netgear CEO rails on Apple's Steve Jobs, praises Android - Page 5

Thanks for the heads-up, although I don't mind providing some education to those in need. He may not read my post, but others out there will, and will learn from my well reasoned comments. To quote Michael Scott, it's a win win win.

Well, I'm not even American, so I'm not trying to gloat at all. And I really could care less about the comings and goings of corporate entities - they have no intrinsic value in my world other than providing a means for technological creativity and innovation (where my real interest lies) to be distributed to the world.

My appreciation for Mr. Jobs only comes from the fact that, unlike the CEOs of most corporate entities, he truly does seem to share the same passion for the products Apple creates as the people actually creating them do (as opposed to spending too much time worrying about the major shareholders' blind interest in financial details). This, combined with his hands-on approach and keen sense of the details that make brilliant products, seems to be what motivates the people designing the products to do their best work -- because it's actually getting appreciated and turned into real products (that and I'm sure the stock options help a bit too).

If, when Mr Jobs departs Apple, they revert back to their 1990s form where R&D takes a backseat to shareholders' bank accounts, then I will look for the next corporate entity that's puts technological innovation, creativity, and quality first (and not just in a corporate slogan).

And yes, I've worked on a number of open source projects, so I understand the value of open technology. Heck, I use a Linux system to run my home network because it's infinitely configurable and extensible (which is ideal for an ever-changing network). However, because my main interest is in technological innovation and quality, I don't exclude all possible sources of it (corporate, academia, or wherever).

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you are deluded and ignorant of reality. even linus doesn't claim that linux based distros are just 'Linux'.
and if you think linus wrote all the code that makes up the linux kernel....well....you probably do.

Right, because boot time is all that matters in an operating system.

He also makes it clear that Linux isn't GNU and GNU isn't Linux, a point you and others apparently wish to obscure.

please reread my earlier posts. you are trying to make something out of nothing.

Frankly, as far as I understand it. GNU is not even GNU.

i agree that the aluminum macs are not toyish but that plastic macbook is dated and cheapo. and i have to disagree about os x. it is a trip through disneyland.

thanks for the 'education' i predict a big one coming along for Apple and the fans after steve is gone for good.

ha ha! you may be right!

You'd like us to believe that at this point, wouldn't you?

Maybe that describes Jobs, but what does this have to do with Netgear? My experience with Netgear is that Lo really needs to address the growing number of 1-star reviews for their own products. It's not uncommon for their routers to ship with completely defective firmware.

And the weather on your planet is?......

When it's a guy I've never heard of from a company I know even less about it seems really petty and juvenile. Not to mention it's a CEO waving the beating stick at Apple now that Steve is away, this guy has a big pair on him. This Patrick guy just committed career suicide.

You are wrong and way off base on this as Apple isn't and can't force anybody to do anything. The value ad is Apple's site itself. If the 30% fee was not worth it why would any developer, big or small, put their product in Apple's store to start with? If ANY developer could do it better and cheaper in another fashion they would do so in a heartbeat. Last I checked all content available in Apple's web stores was placed there voluntarily and no developer was forced to offer their products in Apple's web stores.

That's a Lo Blow.

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"Time Machines"? Do you mean time capsules? What happened to them? mine's nearly three years old now, always performed flawlessly and still working as expected...

Right. Woz is crying all the way to the bank. Dude, Woz would have been another clever anonymous hobbyist lost in the history of the PC without Jobs to sell his creations and build a company around it. It is not an easy thing to do. Try it sometime.

Give credit where credit is due.

Probably your best post ever, Doc.
I appreciate your ability to succinctly state your very valid points.

Yeah! I don't regret anything I did when I was 20. Right.

Hey, thanks for tossing that into the discussion. I went and googled it to see what it was and it looks like a pretty interesting peek at the future. I'm not sure if it's in Apple's future, but I believe it could take off.

Which facts do you have that others don't? All I find are rumors. It is a medical certainty that Steve will die and that we will all die at some point but just maybe not today. Just how Lo are you willing to go to make a point and even then your point isn't an original thought but stolen from someone else.

Using your logic the iPod business should have been taken over by others long ago, yet Apple still dominates that market. The iPhone still has no competition unless you count ALL Android phones against Apple's two iPhones. iPad year two and still no valid competition yet.

What about the ReadyNAS? What does Apple make to compete with this?

As in you're full of crap?

KHTML/KJS was gutted out of WebKit years ago. Keep fantasizing.

Netgear doesn't make Xserve. What's your point.

The original poster was clear. Even Apple's worst product gets more public press than Netgear's best product.



Netgear Sales from 2009:

http://investor.netgear.com/common/m...NTGR&MobileID=

They don't break down the sales of each product but I'm betting their flagship product has less sales than AppleTV.

Are you really that daft? I never said GNU was a license, I said they have a license. I said nothing about OS X at all

Your reading comprehension is as absent as ever. Kind of makes the rest of the post worthless. Typical troll trash.

I'm guessing the root of the rant is Netgear approached Apple to license something - Airplay, some enhanced NAS storage with high level Time Machine, iPhoto, iTunes integration, or something else, and Apple wouldn't give Netgear the time of day. Possibly prototyped products, invested in marketing strategy, etc., got all pumped up to make a pitch - and got pooped on.

Otherwise, this tourette's-like tirade from a company like Netgear is beyond bizzare. Who's next to bitch? Electrolux?

Who knows? Perhaps NetGear is frustrated that Apple dashed their aspirations for entering the MP3 player, mobile phone or tablet computer business...

Patrick Lo: "Apple's not fair! I was gonna do that! Curses! Always one step ahead of me!!!"

Netgear CEO bitches about Apple? LOL!

Mr Lo, your products are inferior pieces of crap! I have owned 2 netgear routers, and both had to be restarted at LEAST every couple of days! Netgear makes bottom shelf, low-end pieces of hardware that barely last a year. I spent the extra dough to get an Airport extreme base station. Ive had it for 2 months, and I have not had to mess with it AT ALL!

So, Mr. Lo, please do a few things,

A. Pull your head out of your ass

B. Start to make a product worth a damn

C. Stop sleeping with movie executives

If you can do that, you might prevent your ignorance from being exposed!

Here you go. Netgear very well publishes the source code to device firmware that is based on GPL'd software. The GPL license in fact requires it. So now that we've cleared up that point, what is it you were trying to say again?

No, I said Apple is doing extremely well, and from a financial point of view, Apple's decision is sound and makes sense. But no hardware company is going to pick up where Apple left off because Apple's license does not allow that. Additionally, Apple's hurt a lot of very loyal customers with the decision (do you know how much Apple Server Certification costs?) People will survive and carry on, but they will probably not trust Apple with important systems any more.

And as for running a fortune 50 company, what on earth does that have to do with anything? I run one of the largest professional Mac installations in the country where I live and Apple's decision has made my job much harder and certainly less willing to consider Macs in favour of other systems where available or possible.

But whatever. It doesn't matter. I don't particularly want to argue about what Apple does or does not do.

I do wonder how you mount your switches? I've never had power plugs fall out of our Netgear switches, but your experience may be different.

I won't post on this forum anymore, because any opinion that does not put a halo around Apple in general and Steve Jobs in particular is immediately jumped on and attacked for simply having said opinion. It seems as if this forum is more a venue for Apple supporters to agree with one another on how terrible everything else is.

Have fun, bye.

They're just sitting there on the shelf. It takes about six months. Not quite clockwork, but close.



Bye.

And OBTW it wasn't because you disagreed. It's because you were an asshat about it. So don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Actually it should be called IBM/Linux given all the tech IBM gave to linux (JFS, RCU, etc). If it weren't for the corporate coders Linux would be about as interesting as OpenBSD. IBM and HP poured millions into Linux to destroy Sun and they succeeded.

If I was the CEO of Netgear I'd put my efforts to trying to make some good products, stopped selling their junk years ago.

The "debunking" is so stupid that only freetards repeat it. Even a RH employee told her she was wrong. Linux desktop marketshare is 1-2% and she's a complete moron.

I got brand new Netgear router as a gift from my friend. Huge box (bigger than my router), supposedly had 13 or more antennas in it .... along with 13 blue diodes flashing and blinking like crazy all the times - the whole room was blue at night - disgusting. Well, I would not mind the light (covered with ducktape) but the router used to lose connectivity about once - twice an hour (great when you are on Skype call). I have returned it back to my friend and bought Airport Express instead.

Never more Netgear.

More people would have heard about the Netgear routers that an XServe, and my point is valid, Apple doesn't make a small NAS product (they don't make any), Netgear does.