Netgear CEO rails on Apple's Steve Jobs, praises Android - Page 3

This statement says it all


Not sure why any of you need to analysis any further....

If I were a Netgear employee I would be embarrassed. The man obviously doesn't know why Flash is banned. He looks like an ass-clown trying call attention to himself.

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Linux is quite successful as a part of price sensitive gear. E.g. my PVR runs a Linux inside. Maybe consumer routers run Linux inside. Now, my personal experience wit those products (and I think I owned a Netgear router once too) is generally not very good.

Take my PVR which runs a Linux inside: broken file system support for accented characters, broken EXT2/3 support, lame FTP server and much more. Support/updates: almost never. Open? I can't fix the bugs, the system is very closed. It is connected to my LAN and via my router/firewall to the internet and it will (like all its brethren) possibly be a major attack vector for malware in the foreseeable future when more and more of such embedded systems (TV, BD players, PVRs, etc) go online with a cheapskate and hardly supported Linux at its core. You just wait until you are going to visit web sites on your TV with embedded Linux.

All these millions and millions Embedded Linux based installations are in fact far from open. Generally, they are as closed as their makers can make them. The user generally doesn't even know there is Linux inside.

The type of installation where Linux seems most successful are closed Linux installations. Ironic, isn't it?

Ok so Steve is proud of his iPad iPhone etc and OS 4.
Lets not forget without Apple we would still be using push button clunky mobiles if it was not for apple companies like Nokia etc do not think what does the customer want when they designed a phone.
As for tablets well we would all be using rubbish notebooks running that blue screen baby.
Android is a knee jerk reaction copy of Apples innovation.
As fo Lo well he's Netgear need I say more

A "Linux" web browser? What's that?
Does that mean Safari is now a "Unix and Windows web browser?"
While I would agree that Linux is successful in it way, your reasoning is bizarre.

"According to Lo, the iTunes distribution model amounts to Jobs effectively extorting content providers such as the movie studios by charging a "ransom" for content. "Steve Jobs wants to suffocate the distribution so even though he doesn't own the content he could basically demand a ransom," he said."

That's like saying the grocery store is charging a ransom for my Grape Nuts.

That's b.s. No content holder is forced to distribute via the Apple Store. And I can take any audio I have (such as CDs) and upload them to iTunes and download them back to my iPhone. I don't see what's closed about this. In fact, 99% of my iPhone content came from CDs. The only thing that is closed is that you can't directly connect an iPod/iPhone to a different store.

The fact is that (at least in terms of audio), there are only four major labels: Sony/BMG, Warner, EMI and Universal. If they're really so upset with Apple and resent their model, only one has to pull out.

Similarly, in the movie industry, there are really only six majors: Warner, Paramount, 20thC Fox, Sony (Columbia), Universal and Disney/Touchstone. If any one (or perhaps two) of those pull out, it could cripple the Apple store and Apple would be forced to change their model. But they haven't pulled out, because the Apple store actually works quite well for them.

And as far as NetGear is concerned, for the longest time, I had terrible problems with my connection and I constantly placed blame on my ISP because I couldn't believe the problem was the router. At one point, I even thought it was my Mac. But I replaced the wireless router with the Apple AirPort Express and have never looked back. It works perfectly. I also happen to own a Sony Blu-ray player that has WiFi built in for streaming content. I read all these reports online about people who can't get the streaming working properly. But with my Apple AirPort Express, there's never a problem. Installed and continues to work flawlessly.

Netgear has officially changed its name to Netfear.

This is sad ... he says Apple will eventually fail. Right ... can someone please alert Netgear CEO that his shuttle to Neptune leaves shortly.

Why do you (and others) say this? (I assume when you say "iTunes" and "revenue" you actually mean "the iTunes Music Store?")
I get content from all over the place from and I use the iTunes player exclusively. Oddly enough, I have yet to buy any content from the iTunes Music Store (except as gifts.) The only "non-open" aspect of iTunes is on DRMed content, which apple can neither control nor "open up" (this is a condition of the publishers.)

I have a netgear router and I thoroughly regret that fact everytime I have to get up and go and switch it off and on again because it gets confused when there are too many packets going through it.

throw it away...you can find a cheap replacement and save yourself the grief lol. thats what i did. couldn't take the resets anymore!!

LOL...Too funny. Netgear? They're still in business? Last I knew they made cheap, inferior home networking stuff. Never bought it myself, but used it. I can see why SJ never gives him the time of day...

At least you looked to see what he really said. But your interpretation is still iffy. Although he might have meant that Jobs could soon die, he also might have meant that jobs is in his fifties, has nearly achieved his goals at Apple, has a history of creating small companies that grow and revolutionize whole sectors, etc. And so, he may find a new project to pursue, may retire, may want to enjoy his family more, . . . The possibilities abound (or quite possibly, Lo may be an ass for the very reason you suspect, but who cares? I've never even heard of him before, but I know now I'll never buy anything made by Netgear.)

I bought $2000 of Netgear stock in June 2007. 3 1/2 years later it's worth $1800. You can't argue with a CEO with that sort of track record!

For comparison, during that same time period Apple stock went from 118 to 335. Almost tripled.

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in or to or toward the rear;
remaining in a place or condition that has been left or departed from;
in or into an inferior position;
having the lower score or lagging position in a contest;
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Linux is a fine OS but lacks the creature comforts and usability of the Mac OS.

I think you meant to say "No-talent ass clown".

If they add no value I guess no business would see any value in having a presence on the platform. They would be fine with simply having a presence in the browser.

And when did Flash become essential for viewing video on an app? I guess I missed that. I never noticed Flash was so important to the process (maybe because I don't use it?)

So there are other alternatives and this may well go the way of Xserve RAID and get picked up for supply by one of the Apple spin-off companies, hardware-wise. Why should Apple focus limited resources on a part of the supply-chain that represents so little return? So FCP Studio/Server and Xsan require constant tweaking to be viable? Sounds like an unnecessary resource drain to me - again in an area that already has suitable alternatives NOT requiring addressing the whinging of so-called professionals.

Consumer product-wise, you obviously aren't paying attention to what matters - while marketshare is undeniably important - the most profitable segment of the existing marketshare is what is most critical - and what Apple goes for. You obviously don't run a Fortune 50 company or else this would be abundantly obvious to you and not require patient and persistent correction to your misunderstanding.

great point!

It's so funny. It seems like not long after I put people like you on my ignore list, your posts disappear anyway. Maybe you are all the same person?

I wonder if Patrick Lo has ever opened up one of his products' instruction guides or navigated their UIs. An amalgamated incomprehensible clusterfuck of Chinglish and regurgitated Google Translate gobbledygook.

You are right.

I'm just glad that, despite NOT being rich by any definition of the word (bar the very poor, undeveloped countries maybe) I still can afford an iPhone and an iMac.

hey mr. lo ... what sophia said: "jealousy is an ugly thing dorothy. and so are you in anything backless."

"lo Jobb" is a new term for something netgear's ceo wishes he could do to steve jobbs, but steve won't give him even a minute! Too bad for poor lo....

I think NETGEAR and other network device vendors are very sensitive to the functionality offered by Apple network devices, especially Airports Extremes and Remotes as well as embedded networking services that support streaming music, video, etc. in an encryptped mode.

The result is that Apple ecosystem devices and network devices play very well together creating serious challenges for network vendors.

I once had a linksys router and after the hassle and limitations managing it through a browser [windows got dedicated fully functional client] and missing functionality for MacOS, I decided to stick with Apple networking devices.

I am sure Apple has observed that Apple got secondary treatment, poor call support, etc., and so [like Adobe on Flash and User Desktop video either second class/poor or entirely abandoned, respectvely] Apple chose to ensure its customers got full service and ease of use immediately as opposed to poor service, delayed features, or deleted products support.

The issue is not open, but rather reliable service. Apple has not had to do this with Printers since HP and Epson have consistently supported Apple devices with full services.

A lesson learned for vendors, Apple has deep memory and knows which products and vendor groups abandoned Apple before and Apple will not be held hostage again the same way.

Oh jeez... FYI Linux have a similar desktop market share than Mac (total of retail sales Linux represented 8% of desktop operating systems in 2010 *)...

Now from servers to educational, gov and scientific institutions, linux is everywhere, and we are all glad that you still ignore it.

* http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09...he-1-myth.html

Yeah, maybe the Netgear CEO should pay more attention to his market sector, you know...Network Infrastructure Hardware?

And why does anyone really care what his opinion is?

Reminds me of the old story about the woman who was married three times and was still a virgin. Someone asked her how that could possibly happen. She said her first husband was a lawyer. On their wedding night, he spent the entire time talking about himself. Her second husband was a doctor. He was out on emergency calls for their entire honeymoon. The third was a Linux developer. On their wedding night, he spent entire night sitting on the end of the bed telling her how great it was going to be.

Absurd.

Thanks to this post below for saving me typing time


Felt it merited a 2nd highlighting. People sound so clueless when they talk about Apple like asdasd did.

Let's face it pal.

Routers are not sexy.

Linux has actually been very successful, just not on the desktop PC

So? Buy it over a regular web connection and import it into iTunes. That's not closed, that's just not letting a competitor use your infrastructure for free.

All of the comments by this CEO have nothing to do with his company´s products. If at all, the more iOS units sold, the more there is a need for routers. He should be praising Apple sales at least. Netgear shareholders and directors: please get this guy to focus!

Got a CISCO and it has no problems at all. I specially like the routers web page interface. Netgear´s web page product information sucks!

Then call it Linux + GNU stuff. Calling it GNU Linux (or GNU/Linux) to make it seem like it's a GNU project is simply dishonest.


You can select a configuration option that claims to, "configure your desktop to work like windows or os x," but not only is it not "polished", it's a lie. It doesn't work anything like either of those operating systems, and 10-15 years of "polish" that's missing is why.

Don't you hate it when people banter all about and never get to the point? Sheesh, what a worthless diatribe.

All those things are allowed in a web app. Your interpretation of 11.2 as a way to legislate against a website is pure hyperbole and incorrect. Section 11.2 of the developer guidelines says nothing about what web content is legal or illegal. It only says if you are going to do in app purchases they have to use Apple frameworks.

All this stuff can be imported onto an iDevice for offline viewing. If a company wants full any-moment convenience to a users credit card they have to follow a few rules for what code to use. Not too big a deal there if they really want that immediate access. Apple has provided that opportunity for them. And remember that an opportunity is not a right to do whatever you want, it is just an opportunity. So you take it or you don't, but you can always make a sale in your standard business mode with no interference from Apple.

Go make up stuff someplace else.

This guy has no clue what he is talking about, Apple won with a closed system with the ipod and the music wars with itunes, they can survive in a market dominated by crappy android products that are cheesy and plastic. Apple is always and will always be about high end well made products that just work and get the job done. But I still think they will win the phone wars as well just watch with the Verizon iphone, thats the ticket. I think this guy should stick with selling switches and shut his stupid mouth because he is about to eat his words.

That's OK, Lo.
I never gave Netgear a minute either.