Apple's new App Store restrictions block Sony eBookstore, may lock out Amazon - Page 5

Originally Posted by matrix07

No. I mean does the Android OS has in-app purchasing?

Originally Posted by GQB

Looking over this thread, I've come to the conclusion that tech blog participants are like little girls screaming on a chair at the sight of a mouse.
Nothing in the story confirms any potential restrictions on Amazon or Kindle books. That's pure speculation on the author's part, and its simply amplified in the comments by the 'Apple is Evil' crowd.

Originally Posted by Gwydion

The OS no,

Originally Posted by matrix07

Everything point to it's just a matter of Sony paying Apple to have in-app purchasing, or follow Amazon way by re-direct customers.

Originally Posted by matrix07

Btw, when Android has in-app purchasing, that Amazon integrated store will be gone. Will you up-in-arm about it then?

Originally Posted by Gustav

Funny how the fodder of the anti-Apple trolls is always misinformation.

Originally Posted by xsu

No really. Content will be where consumers are willing to spend money. So far, Android customers have not shown willingness to spend. So Content providers will indeed put up with Apple's 30% demand to stay in App Store.

As for your ridiculus comment about not wanting to pay Apple 30% for doing things with devices you already paid for, why are you paying cable/satellite/Netflix etc. to watch programs on that TV you already paid for? Why are you paying ATT/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile/others to use that Phone you already paid for? Why are you buying gas to use that car you already paid for?

Originally Posted by Gustav

None of this should is new. The Times got it wrong. Apple allows apps to use content purchased elsewhere, they just don't allow apps to have in-app purchases that don't go through Apple - it's always been this way. All Sony has to do is place a link to Safari and they'll be all set. This is why the Kindle app is still there.

Funny how the fodder of the anti-Apple trolls is always misinformation.

Originally Posted by matrix07

They're always clutching at straws.

Originally Posted by Gwydion

1. I doubt that it will be gone

Originally Posted by Gwydion

2. If it's gone I will complain, I won't try to defend the company that makes this

Originally Posted by asdasd

Nope.

Apple have changed their policy on 11.2

If it were that simple Sony would re-submit and there would be no story.

Originally Posted by docyoast

This really p*sses me off; I thought the App Store was a means to sell more hardware.
Apple, don't be evil.

Originally Posted by mkwilson68

Apple, seriously, this is a step too far. Stop app developers from *linking out* to the internet to purchase things?

Originally Posted by tawilson

The Sony reader however most likely doesn't drop you out, from what I understand it uses an in-app browser (unlike Kindle).

Originally Posted by krabbelen

No, what he is saying is that you own the store and you give a competing store space inside your doors. You have an Ace Hardware and you allow the proprietor of Hank's Harware down the street to put up a display of hammers right inside your tool department. Someone grabs one of his hammers instead of yours, purchases it at your till, and you don't get a cut.

Hank might have rented the display and display space (the app), but he can't reasonably expect to never pay a cut to the store owner.

Or, it's a bit like you setting up a Coca Cola stand for an event, getting the whole setup with soda fountain and tanks and hoses and illuminated signs and cups and whole nine yards, but then stocking it with your own syrup. Coca Cola allows you to use all their stuff to make money selling concessions, but expects to make money on the syrup in every drink you sell. The user license would not allow you to put Pepsi Cola syrup in the drinks.

Sony has content in iTunes: music and movies. If Sony wants to use Apples smooth system for delivery (native apps and in-app purchasing), then Apple expects Sony to link to that content and not directly to Sony's own store. If Sony wants to avoid selling their media through iTunes, then it can forego using the nice system Apple developed for it's developers and users.

Anyway, that would be the thinking, I suppose. Sounds like a pretty normal and reasonable business expectation to me.

Originally Posted by peteo

If you read the NYTimes article it says in app and OUT OF app purchases.

Originally Posted by matrix07

If you have in-app purchasing that bypass Apple system then it will be rejected. It's that simple. "Out of" is irrelevant and is just speculated at the moment. There is no concrete evidence pointing this is one of the problem.

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

Well done Apple.
Why should Apple allow competition on the iPhone, iPod, and iPads that it MAKES.
A lot of blood sweat and tears (not the song) went into these wonderful devices.
Did the competition do the same, hell NO, they just copied, and very badly.
Then they hate on Apple, try and destroy it, and then cry like little mumma's boys when Apple fights back. Apple wants you as a user and customer to buy books through iBooks, what is wrong with that, tell me ? Why should it allow Amazon and Sony free rein, no way Jose.
,I for one, will only use Apple stuff and their App store, never the competition, more of you so called Apple fans (I doubt if you really are), should do the same.

Originally Posted by matrix07

If you have in-app purchasing that bypass Apple system then it will be rejected, period. "Out of" is irrelevant and is just speculated at the moment. There is no concrete evidence pointing this is one of the problem.

[UPDATE: A representative of Sony's PR company wrote to tell me that the functionality of the rejected iPhone app is "essentially the same" as the Reader app for Android--which, like other companies' iPhone apps, launches a browser for book buying. I hope there's some explanation here other than Apple intentionally changing the rules that other e-reader apps have played by until now. We'll see. Maybe...]

Originally Posted by asdasd

Except a screenshot of the Sony E-Reader with the store being visible in safari.

Originally Posted by fleet

This is a poor analogy. Cable, Satellite, and Netflix are content providers, you are paying them for the content they deliver to the device that you have already paid for. This is more like the company that made your television asking for a 30% cut from your cable company or Netflix for the privilege of delivering content to your television even though you bought it outright and the content delivery happens without any involvement from the TV manufacturer.

Originally Posted by matrix07

the guy just said the app had in-app and out of purchasing.

Originally Posted by poke

You haven't supplied any evidence of that. Nothing in the story indicates that this is anything other than a misunderstanding by the reporter.

Originally Posted by Gwydion

http://technologizer.com/2011/01/31/sony-reader-iphone/

Originally Posted by Gwydion

Where did said that?

Originally Posted by matrix07

What is "essentially the same"? Isn't it Sony who's making noise for this to be news in the first place.

Originally Posted by xsu

Cable, satellite, Netflix, etc., are most certainly NOT content providers. They are access providers. Content providers are the like of Warner Brothers, Disney, Universal, NBC, CBS, ABC, and etc.

Access providers charge money for providing you access to contents. Apple's app store work exactly the same way except they managed to charge the content providers instead of the consumers.

The only reason you find it hard to understand in this case is Apple is both hardware maker and the access provider. Think if DishNetwork makes your TV, and still charge you money to watch it, you may have the same confusion.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Is aybody reading the same article I am? They cannot release the app. If they could, they would.

Originally Posted by depannist

Since Apple isn't talking, as usual, we probably won't know what this means (for Amazon ebooks) until Amazon attempts to release their next update. It would be pretty stupid for Apple to cripple the Kindle app on iOS.

Originally Posted by matrix07

Checks post 177.

Originally Posted by Gwydion

Where Sony said it has in and out app purchases?

Originally Posted by asdasd

The screaming is from the Apple defenders.


Nothing in this thread proves the opposite despite the over-eager defence of Apple.
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Originally Posted by charlituna

You mean the article where the proof is 'Sony says so'

Originally Posted by Gwydion

Essentially the same is essentially the same. If one app has in app purchases and the other not, they're not essentially the same

Originally Posted by Berp

Apple's resounding success with the consumer tells the story better than self-serving pundits partnering with frustrated one-shot wonders Ã* la Sony do. The former has quality written all over it. The latter carries water for hidden agendas.

I do enjoy listening to a good story, especially when I feel like being the central character in its unfolding plot line. Apple carries my own story spanning twenty years of increasing productivity. No Stockholm Syndrome, no Google, no Sony, nor any other free rider for me; in no way would I plead with the truth abuser to grant me facts amnesia in return for subservience and my scamming duplicity.

It comes down to a very simple proposition: you always give the benefit of the doubt to whom has deserved it. Apple scratched my back over the years, I gladly scratch theirs even without 20/20 vision. With all due respect, your "drama queen" soliloquy is to me a non sequitur, and pure Blog entertainment.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

I was going to comment on this story, but realized that it's rather pointless since we don't really have any facts about anything involved. I'll just wait till the dust settles and see what's actually going on.