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I'm sure, the interrogation is a expression form only

I see. So, what defines an OS as an Android OS?
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If the iPad and other new slate-style tablets had included stylus support through the use of buying a separate stylus (nice way to make a bit more profit for Apple and the others - and avoid charging people for something they may not need) and included true handwriting input

iOS does allow for optional stylus use and there are a number of 3rd party note taking apps for very reasonable costs. Making this point not as damning as it could be
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What is the real difference between the Google way and just using the phone itself to buy stuff (without needing a computer at all). For most folks the difference is none.

You could do that before yesterday - they just added a new feature, which is an extra option that there isn't an iPhone/iTunes equivalent of yet, that's all.

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so can I link my paypal to my Google account. Can I grab a gift card paid with cash at the grocery store and apply it to my Google account. On my device even. For much of the public this is a big deal cause they are paranoid about putting credit cards and bank links online

Again, missing the point entirely. We aren't talking about comparing the merits of Google Checkout and any other payment system, the author of the article said

"The difference is that Apple's web store links to iTunes for purchases, which can be made via credit cards (since 2008); Google still only accepts its own Google Checkout for payments."

Which implies that using Google Checkout is somehow different to being able to use your credit card on iTunes.

No mention of vouchers. Or PayPal. Or anything else.

Just replying with anything to disagree isn't the same as following a discussion
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

Tapas is an Android variant.

I know there are a lot of car manufacturers that would be sad if you made the rules... there are a lot of Ford, GM and Chrysler automobiles with engines made from other manufacturers... but, to the best of my knowledge, these cards are still Fords etc... [on edit - Tapas aint Android regardless if it has an Android engine]

Android sounds like a whole lot of hurt to me if they are calling every variant an android phone even if you can't immediately run the latest android os on all of the latest android based phones.
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Here's a thought. Buy whatever f*cking phone, tablet, computer you want. I really don't care.
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Here's a thought. Buy whatever f*cking phone, tablet, computer you want. I really don't care.

Forums probably aren't the place for you then, I reckon
post #168 of 282
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

True but with one correction.

One doesn't have to be a dumbass to be an iOS user, one just has to be someone who doesn't understand detailed technological management and just wants the device to work like the information appliance it really is.

One can totally understand 'detailed technological management', even work in the field and choose to use iOS over something else. Not all uses need that kind of tech. Sometimes you just want to do what you want to do without the bells and whistles that you totally understand etc
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

Think of it this way. You're browsing your favorite tech blog and it mentions a cool app you'd love to have.

iOS (option 1): Open iTunes; search for app; purchase/download; find iPhone and sync

iOS (option 2): Find iPhone; find app in App Store; purchase/download

Android: Link on blog goes directly to webstore Market; purchase; phone/tablet automatically downloads and installs app

The point is that with the webstore Market, Android users don't have to stray away too far away from their browsing at hand to install an app. The OTA method is like a hybrid of the iOS methods, using the best of both.



Actually, it's actually 34 major countries.

Let's not forget that when you buy an android device you don't have to plug it into a Mac or PC and sync with bloatware iTunes just to start using it.

Kind of ironic when all the apple loving media state how it can replace your laptop - indeed my parents have iPads for this precise use - yet you still have to plug it in to a conventional computer to use it
post #170 of 282
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

What is the real difference between the Google way and just using the phone itself to buy stuff (without needing a computer at all). For most folks the difference is none.

The advantage comes when you're browsing a site happen to come across a new, cool app being shown. Instead of picking your phone or tablet up, you can have the app installed with a few mouse clicks from the computer you're using already.

One of the cooler cloud sync things I've been using is Chrome-to-Phone, which is essentially the same thing. If you're using Google Maps and plan out a route, Chrome-to-Phone will send it to your Android device and automatically start up Nav and input the destination.
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post #171 of 282
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Um, Apple borrow anything from android, are you kidding me ?
We are talking about the spawn of the devil that was stolen by Google, remember this piece of history ? If you are going to post, try and make yourself look un-trollish as possible please.
As I stated repeatedly there will be thousands of android handsets and tables, the differentiation will be so blurred by the multitude of screen sizes, that soon no one will know whether its an android phone or tablet.
Then there will be the 20 - 30, if not more, versions of the android OS.
So Mr. Joe public will know which one to get will he ? Will he chance on "X", hoping that it can play Angry Birds ? Imagine him sitting there waiting months for an OS update, while tens of new android crap ware have hit the market with OS version n.n.
Tell me genius boy, how is the general product going to choose ?
I think android will increase in popularity with regards to tablets (there are after all geeks out there and cheap skates), but will soon be so over super saturated with their BOGO, that they will be a blur in the eyes of the consumer, who will be soon tire of having to many choices and start buying the iPad. So in effect androids early popularity will be it's undoing.

By the way, a couple of things, is having the greater market more profitable, Apple certainly doesn't think so ($57 billion cash reserves), hight stock value and share prices, but I guess that is irrelevant right ?
Also Samsung were caught out in their lies on galaxy tabs shipped vs actual sales, the same applies to android phones, and why wouldn't it. So I question the myth of android taking over the smart phone market. I hardly see them, but always see iPhones everywhere.

No other company can or will try to make both hardware and software. Its a business strategy that yes is paying off greatly for Apple but not long ago had them at the brink of extinction. Its so much easier to use a free OS than to dump loads of cash into RD. It just wouldn't make good business sense for there to be 6-7 OSs out there. A little fragmentation is much better than total segregation.
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Is there an age limit on this site or can even eight year olds post?
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Dudes are complaining about Itunes but everybody in the industry is kicking themselves for not making it..... The webstore is cool but try downloading Need for Speed or Madden that way.......And how do you back that pretty new xoom up,,,,,,,, Either plug it up to a computer or no backing up at all. A piece of software to tie everything together is a great Idea ( One Google doesn't have an answer for)!

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He gives absolutely no reason for his proposition that Android Tablet will outpace IOS in 2 years. what is balanced about that?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

No other company can or will try to make both hardware and software. Its a business strategy that yes is paying off greatly for Apple but not long ago had them at the brink of extinction. Its so much easier to use a free OS than to dump loads of cash into RD. It just wouldn't make good business sense for there to be 6-7 OSs out there. A little fragmentation is much better than total segregation.

Remember Wintel, try assessing the situation here when a single software manufacturer & multiple users of that software. Eventually that will make the PC market where there is only Intel & Windows. It doesn't work for the long term. Product manufacturers should do there own inventions thats the only way market can grow forward and consumers will reward their inventions. If, a company constantly sits with a thin margin of profit then you can think that there will least investment in R&D and more on packing together things based on cost. So, that someday they will hit profitability enough that can be added to the R&D budget.

If, andriod fails to generate a significant amount of revenue for Google, it will loose interest in the charity work and cut team sizes working on them.
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No other company can or will try to make both hardware and software. Its a business strategy that yes is paying off greatly for Apple but not long ago had them at the brink of extinction. Its so much easier to use a free OS than to dump loads of cash into RD. It just wouldn't make good business sense for there to be 6-7 OSs out there. A little fragmentation is much better than total segregation.



The Fragmentation and App piracy will push devs away from Android. For a dev, IOS offers protection from both. So being segregated isn't all that bad.
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Dudes are complaining about Itunes but everybody in the industry is kicking themselves for not making it..... The webstore is cool but try downloading Need for Speed or Madden that way.......And how do you back that pretty new xoom up,,,,,,,, Either plug it up to a computer or no backing up at all. A piece of software to tie everything together is a great Idea ( One Google doesn't have an answer for)!


I think google wants every body to come to the web & thats the underlying agenda.

Everything else is a smoke screen, I also believe it is a preemptive strike against the upcoming 3rd party andriod stores from the likes of amazon etc.., to have people locked up with google accounts.

This fragmentation & chaos at it's best
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The Fragmentation and App piracy will push devs away from Android.

And the world will end on 2.012
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The webstore is cool but try downloading Need for Speed or Madden that way...

And what's the problem?
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

Think of it this way. You're browsing your favorite tech blog and it mentions a cool app you'd love to have.

iOS (option 1): Open iTunes; search for app; purchase/download; find iPhone and sync

iOS (option 2): Find iPhone; find app in App Store; purchase/download

Android: Link on blog goes directly to webstore Market; purchase; phone/tablet automatically downloads and installs app

iOS (option 3): Link in browser syncs with iTunes and opens it to where you can download it directly.

I looked at a Highlights Magazine app from their website, clicked on their link and it took me to a page on Apple's site, that automatically opened iTunes for me after a dialog box came up saying the link needs to be opened with iTunes, and I gave it permission (in Windows 7)...and away we went. Try it for yourself, if you have iTunes installed:

http://www.highlights.com/apps
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The Fragmentation and App piracy will push devs away from Android. For a dev, IOS offers protection from both. So being segregated isn't all that bad.

Both of those are things all platforms have to deal with to a certain extent.

If anything, there are more and more developers being drawn towards Android. If fragmentation and piracy were as apocalyptic as everyone here makes it out to be for Android, the developers would have fled a long, long time ago.
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iOS (option 3): Link in browser syncs with iTunes and opens it to where you can download it directly.

I looked at a Highlights Magazine app from <u>their</u> website, clicked on their link and it took me to a page on Apple's site, that automatically opened iTunes for me after a dialog box came up saying the link needs to be opened with iTunes, and I gave it permission (in Windows 7)...and away we went. Try it for yourself, if you have iTunes installed:

http://www.highlights.com/apps

And is automatically installed on iPhone without connecting it to the computer.
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Originally Posted by graxspoo View Post

Doesn't look appealing to me, but then, I think the iPad is dumb also. Who wants a laptop with no keyboard? Who wants a cellphone you can't fit in your pocket. Ok, all those iPad sales say I'm wrong. I guess people have more money than brains.

or you have a limited Brain....
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iOS (option 3): Link in browser syncs with iTunes and opens it to where you can download it directly.

I looked at a Highlights Magazine app from their website, clicked on their link and it took me to a page on Apple's site, that automatically opened iTunes for me after a dialog box came up saying the link needs to be opened with iTunes, and I gave it permission (in Windows 7)...and away we went. Try it for yourself, if you have iTunes installed:

http://www.highlights.com/apps

I'm currently at work, so I don't have iTunes installed (not allowed). I did follow your link and it eventually led me to the iTunes download page on Apple's website.

I have no doubt that your process does what it says it does. But if you were doing this on a separate computer, I'm assuming all it does is open iTunes and download the app? Wouldn't you still need to connect your iDevice to the computer for it to be synced over?

If you're doing all of this on the device itself, then all of this is a moot point, since you already have your device in-hand.
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The Fragmentation and App piracy will push devs away from Android. For a dev, IOS offers protection from both. So being segregated isn't all that bad.

You've been reading too much crap journalism. My brother had an iPhone, and had one since the very first. He now has a Droid X, though he's going back to iPhone soon. His kids have Droids. In determining if I should upgrade from an iPod Touch and get an iPhone, now that Verizon has them, he told me that the Droid has most of the good apps you'd find on the App Store. He said that the majority of the apps on the App Store aren't all that good, but many of the good ones either have duplicate access on the Droid, or a corresponding replacement app that's just as good. Plus, he said there is a lot of cool stuff coming from Google. He's only going back to the iPhone because he's so used to the iOS that he's annoyed to death with Android. His opinion is that it's a toss as to ownership of either. Both have their good points and bad points.
post #186 of 282
I'm an Apple Fanboi and all...but this is one of the most Apple biased articles ever written by AI.

Very difficult to read and not feel like the author is threaten by A3.0.

(And no, I don't own an Android or ever plan to, loathe the OS and its devices, 100% iOS here, but this article... man, what a pile of Apple-sauce.)
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Originally Posted by amicablealligator View Post

Here are some of my thoughts:
Within 2 years, the Android tablet userbase will surpass iOS's. And with the larger user-base, Android will draw in an increasing number of (iOS) developers.

Once everything is stabilized, Android will own the majority of the smartphone AND tablet space. But iOS will continue to serve its loyal fanbase with a very sharp and purposeful UX for its products.

When you say "Android will own," are you talking about Google? Because Google doesn't own Android, it gives it away. It "shepherds" Android (in their words).

Before Android, did JavaME "own" smartphones? How about Flash Lite, did it "own" phones in some sense just because most vendors were licensing both as platforms?

Android is getting anthropomorphized to create an antagonist to battle Apple, but there is no Android licensee that is anywhere near Apple. The closest is Samsung, but its posting poor profits and can't sell the Tab even in minor amounts at Christmas (vs Apple's first quarter of iPad in the spring!)

It makes a ton of Android models worldwide, but its not beating Apple in any sense, and its doing the same "no updates" thing as all the other Android licensees. Samsung probably makes some of the best Android phones, but they're still no iPhone.

How about Motorola/Sony Ericcsson? Ha, no they are literally dying on the vine.

How about HTC? First major Android pusher, was jumping ship from WinMob. Doing okay, growing fast, but still no Apple contender. Can't ship a tablet anyone wants. There's also LG and all the big Chinese hardware cloners who are making the vast majority of Android phones, which aren't shipping outside of the Far East.

How exactly are these bottom feeders going to revolutionize the market? By dumping lots of Chinese phones on the other side of the globe? That's what they all were already doing with Linux (including Motorola). Shipped a lot of phones. Didn't do anything to make Linux popular here. Were just closed phones with GPL software so the Chinese didn't have to write their own.

Google is getting vast amounts of press for doing what Apple did last year or two years ago. Their vision for the future is geeky stuff not far removed from Zune. How well did that work out? Android is just the next PlaysForSure: third rate hardware makers trying to stretch a ho-hum software platform and work with a bunch of different stores. How'd that work out?
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I'm currently at work, so I don't have iTunes installed (not allowed). I did follow your link and it eventually led me to the iTunes download page on Apple's website.

I have no doubt that your process does what it says it does. But if you were doing this on a separate computer, I'm assuming all it does is open iTunes and download the app? Wouldn't you still need to connect your iDevice to the computer for it to be synced over?

If you're doing all of this on the device itself, then all of this is a moot point, since you already have your device in-hand.

Just tried it on my iPod Touch. The link took me directly to the App Store to download it. I'm sure there are lots of other sites with links to iPhone apps that do the same thing.
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And the world will end on 2.012

Do you think you'll get around to telling us exactly what makes Android OS Android OS before then?
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

Both of those are things all platforms have to deal with to a certain extent.

If anything, there are more and more developers being drawn towards Android. If fragmentation and piracy were as apocalyptic as everyone here makes it out to be for Android, the developers would have fled a long, long time ago.

What developers? Android Market is just junkware and some easily ported iOS apps. There's very little original development, and absolutely nothing like iOS. Look at the store! Do a search and the few legit titles are buried in junkware wallpapers and ringtone "apps"
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How about Motorola/Sony Ericcsson? Ha, no they are literally dying on the vine.

Don't think so... Motorola is what launched the Android to being what it was with Verizon's "Droid" campaign. They sold a whole lot of them. Motorola is doing well.
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When you say "Android will own," are you talking about Google? Because Google doesn't own Android, it gives it away. It "shepherds" Android (in their words). ...

Google totally owns Android. Some might argue it even owns Android users, or should that be pwns.
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Just tried it on my iPod Touch. The link took me directly to the App Store to download it. I'm sure there are lots of other sites with links to iPhone apps that do the same thing.

As I've said, if you have the device already in-hand, then all of this is a moot point. The difference is if you happen to be using another device.

Say I'm using a friend's computer and come across the app. I can sign in to the Market webstore, buy it and have it shot to my Android device. I don't have to install any additional software onto his computer and I don't need to pull out the device and search again. Personally, I like having options.
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Bottom line, use what you want to use. I have an iPod Touch, and love it. Still on the fence about iPhone 5 vs. Droid Bionic. I'll make that decision when they come out. Until then, I'm not jumping on 3G when 4G is just a couple months away.

As for tablets, which is what this whole thread started with, I think a lot has yet to be determined. Android 3.0 is in its infancy. The apps are few, and the whole platform has yet to catch on. We'll see. iPad would be a sure winner, if I could open Flash content within the browser and read PDF files without having to download them and open them in a separate reader application. I really hate Apple's stance on this. It really chaps me how they won't let ME decide...
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As I've said, if you have the device already in-hand, then all of this is a moot point. The difference is if you happen to be using another device.

Say I'm using a friend's computer and come across the app. I can sign in to the Market webstore, buy it and have it shot to my Android device. I don't have to install any additional software onto his computer and I don't need to pull out the device and search again. Personally, I like having options.

I could understand this about an iPod Touch or iPad, but exactly who goes anywhere without their phone, which in this case is the iPhone? If I was at a friend's house, browsing on their computer, my phone would be accessible because it would be in my pocket.
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As I've said, if you have the device already in-hand, then all of this is a moot point. The difference is if you happen to be using another device.

Say I'm using a friend's computer and come across the app. I can sign in to the Market webstore, buy it and have it shot to my Android device. I don't have to install any additional software onto his computer and I don't need to pull out the device and search again. Personally, I like having options.

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but is this a security concern? Suppose a hacker figures out your login and password. Would he be able to download malware to your phone or tablet remotely?
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What developers? Android Market is just junkware and some easily ported iOS apps. There's very little original development, and absolutely nothing like iOS. Look at the store! Do a search and the few legit titles are buried in junkware wallpapers and ringtone "apps"

I was going to respond, but on a second read, your mind is already made up so it'll be like talking to a brick wall.

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Do you think you'll get around to telling us exactly what makes Android OS Android OS before then?

I have said, but you don't want to understand.
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What developers? Android Market is just junkware and some easily ported iOS apps. There's very little original development, and absolutely nothing like iOS. Look at the store! Do a search and the few legit titles are buried in junkware wallpapers and ringtone "apps"

My God, this forum is full of teenagers who only troll.
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