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A report examining iOS 4.3 beta firmware concurs that the next iPad will be offered in three models (WiFi, 3G GSM/UMTS and 3G CDMA), but adds mention of a 3MP camera capable of 720p video recording, DisplayPort video output, and what appears to be a hardware battery gas gauge.

The report, by web developer Chris Galzerano, describes mention of three new iPad models designated as iPad2,1 iPad2,2 and iPad2,3, as well as a placeholder "iFPGA" model (a designation Apple uses to reference prototypes using a field-programmable gate array, which is a chip with functions that can be reprogrammed).

The report also noted plist files referencing 720p, a magnetometer (digital compass), DisplayPort (the video output system Apple has standardized on across its Macs, which is also used to output HDMI signals), and mention of "gas-gauge battery and multitasking-gestures."

One case design suggested the presence of a top facing port that could be the size of Apple's mini DisplayPort, potentially enabling iPad 2 to support HDMI video output in addition to the existing support for composite VGA.

Related to AVFoundation settings, the report noted that iPad 2 should be capable of recording VGA, 720p and iFrame, a reduced resolution 960x540 format created by Apple to deliver near HD quality H.264 video at much smaller video sizes.

The report also references 3MP camera connected to a device model referenced as N88. However, that model first appeared in a Chinese rumor from 2009 detailing the iPhone 3GS, which used a 3.2MP camera.

An independent report on iPad 2 maintains it will appear with 1MP rear camera and 0.3MP VGA front facing camera, the same configuration as the current iPod touch. In contrast, iPhone 4 uses a 5MP rear camera. The iPod touch 1MP camera (technically 0.7MP) is still capable of recording 720p video however, given its 960x720 resolution.
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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.
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[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1799929]A report examining iOS 4.3 beta firmware concurs that the next iPad will be offered in three models (WiFi, 3G GSM/UMTS and 3G CDMA), but adds mention of a 3MP camera capable of 720p video recording, DisplayPort video output, and what appears to be a hardware battery gas gauge.

The report also noted plist files referencing 720p, a magnetometer (digital compass), DisplayPort (the video output system Apple has standardized on across its Macs, which is also used to output HDMI signals), and mention of "gas-gauge battery and multitasking-gestures."

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960x720 isn't 720p FYI.

720p video has a fixed frame width of 1280 or 1366 and a frame height of 720 or 768 (a lower frame height can result from cropping the black bars with non-16:9 video, but it is still 720p).


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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

Think business! Plus, they gotta compete with the PlayBook now, which has an HDMI port.
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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

cause people might want to use the ipad as a presentation device connected to a projector instead of logging a laptop around.
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can't wait till the iPad 2 coming out. would be paradise if it has retina display.

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cause people might want to use the ipad as a presentation device connected to a projector instead of logging a laptop around.

Yes, that would be very popular. Lord knows whenever someone plugs a Windows laptop in to a projector it seems to take them several minutes of fussing to get it working (in the meetings I go to at least).
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Yes, that would be very popular. Lord knows whenever someone plugs a Windows laptop in to a projector it seems to take them several minutes of fussing to get it working (in the meetings I go to at least).

Haha, so true. Apple could make a fortune(well more money) selling a projector that 'just works'.
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What is people's obsession with the resolution in iPad - the resolution is fantastic, the screen is great. The device is held a foot from your face. It doesn't need a display upgrade. There are as many pixels on this ten inch screen as many seventeen inch laptops of five years ago - in half the space.

Colour's are beautiful, text is crisp and legible, games look amazing.

I'd prefer a faster processor and longer battery life. An increase to screen resolution would eat up processing power and drain the battery.

It's funny how people get hung up on these features when it's the last thing about the device that needs upgrading!
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Not that Apple would put light peak in yet - but the DisplayPort specs actually allows for them to do so, and they could actually use copper or light to do so. 1.1 offered support to devices which implemented alternative link layers link fiber optic.
Seeing as Apple basically pushed teir own version (mDP) - who'se to say Apple's not gone the route of choosing DP as the route to do LP?

Would be funny if iPad 2 could output 2x resolution, prior to getting a 2x resolution screen for iPad 3...
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cause people might want to use the ipad as a presentation device connected to a projector instead of logging a laptop around.

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Video quality on the new Display Port is much higher. It's a single cable, too. Adapter available for HDMI.

 

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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

SD and USB can easily be added via dock connector, the connectors are relatively large and most people won't use them often. Display port is small and {I assume} can't be added via the 30-pin dock connector. Hopefully it'll show the whole display.

Shame it won't be a mag-safe mini DP.

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Apple Component AV Cable
Easily connect your iPod, iPhone, or iPad to the component video inputs on a TV. The cable also features audio and USB connectors.

Yeah but at least at the TVs I've seen in the UK (and I've bought two new ones recently so looked at a lot!) HDMI and VGA is much more prevalent than Component (or Composite). The USB is a Type A plug so can't be used for connecting USB devices only charging or sync.

The AV Cable only shows photos and videos (although of course this is a deliberate software limit).
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Display port is small and {I assume} can't be added via the 30-pin dock connector. Hopefully it'll show the whole display.

It is small, and I dont think it can be added to the 30-pin connector, but DP setup does allow for USB. Its even 50% more throughput than USB 2.0.

Maybe its time, after 8 years, that Apple release the next step in secure, uniform iDevice Dock Connectors. Perhaps something with an integrated area for optical so it can smoothly make the transition from cooper to optical the way it made the transition from FW to USB without heavily impacting the users device.

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Shame it won't be a mag-safe mini DP.

I dont think DP or mDP have a spec for a locking mechanism, but I dont they disallow it either.
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Think business! Plus, they gotta compete with the PlayBook now, which has an HDMI port.

Businesses dont have displays compatible with the display port, just like more than 90% of consumers. If they are going to put a video out port, it should be HDMI, and it should have 7.1 audio support as well.

The iPad slick form factor quickly loses its appeal when you need to carry around a bag of adapters and non-standard cables. Real people use USB, HDMI, and SD cards. Very few people use display port or air print.
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What is people's obsession with the resolution in iPad - the resolution is fantastic, the screen is great. The device is held a foot from your face. It doesn't need a display upgrade. There are as many pixels on this ten inch screen as many seventeen inch laptops of five years ago - in half the space.

Colour's are beautiful, text is crisp and legible, games look amazing.

I'd prefer a faster processor and longer battery life. An increase to screen resolution would eat up processing power and drain the battery.

It's funny how people get hung up on these features when it's the last thing about the device that needs upgrading!

Perhaps you need glasses. When you put the iPad next to the iPhone 4 it looks horrible.
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Originally Posted by SDIOWarrior View Post

Try

Apple Component AV Cable
Easily connect your iPod, iPhone, or iPad to the component video inputs on a TV. The cable also features audio and USB connectors.

Yes there is a very slick solution. Carry bulky adapter cables to give you 1990's display out interfaces that are no longer included on many new display devices. Brilliant.
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Haha, so true. Apple could make a fortune(well more money) selling a projector that 'just works'.

What Id like is a device or adapter that plugs into a projector of my choice so I can use just the AppleTV, just the AirPort Express, or just a single other device once Apple releases iWork 11 with AirPlay. Right now, AirPlay to an AppleTV requires a router as an intermediate, but this could be overkill for many if they need to install a router in a conference or school room in order to AirPlay their presentations. This doubles the cost and adds a level of complexity to the setup. A device that will let you connect direct to it -and- output to a projector would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

Most people here seem to be assuming that the display port is only for video out. What if it is for video in as well? While not huge, the iPad would make a nice external screen when not otherwise in use.

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Colour's are beautiful, text is crisp and legible, games look amazing.

The display is nice for graphics but I can't concur about the text. It's certainly not crisp until you zoom in on it, which I find I do less on my iP4 than my iPad. I wouldn't call it a major gripe but I would jump on a higher resolution iPad in a second. Cameras, DisplayPort (just give me video output on AirPlay!), or weight reductions are all secondary upgrades compared to the screen for me.
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What Id like is a device or adapter that plugs into a projector of my choice so I can use just the AppleTV, just the AirPort Express, or just a single other device once Apple releases iWork 11 with AirPlay. Right now, AirPlay to an AppleTV requires a router as an intermediate, but this could be overkill for many if they need to install a router in a conference or school room in order to AirPlay their presentations. This doubles the cost and adds a level of complexity to the setup. A device that will let you connect direct to it -and- output to a projector would be awesome.

A small HDMI to airplay adapter is actually a pretty good idea. It would elevate airplay from nearly useless to a reasonable solution. I would still want an HDMI port so I don't have to carry any adapters or cables, but the ability to present wirelessly might make carrying an adapter a viable choice.
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What is people's obsession with the resolution in iPad - the resolution is fantastic, the screen is great.

I thought that too until I saw the iPhone4.
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A small HDMI to airplay adapter is actually a pretty good idea. It would elevate airplay from nearly useless to a reasonable solution. I would still want an HDMI port so I don't have to carry any adapters or cables, but the ability to present wirelessly might make carrying an adapter a viable choice.

AirPlay to VGA, too, for the average projector. I have no idea how to create this but I did pass the idea onto a couple people who might be able to do something with it, assuming Apple allows it.

I simple adapter would be great, but Id still be okay with the $99 Apple products I mentioned being able to do it without needing both in tandem.
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Perhaps you need glasses. When you put the iPad next to the iPhone 4 it looks horrible.

Agreed - I thought the iPad was the 'bee's knees' until I got the iPhone 4. Nice for graphics/games, but for 1/2 of the intended use (web & reading) it's not up to what it needs to be, particularly for text on websites - I'm not interested in zooming in, if I wanted that I'd use my phone. 1024x768 sucked for monitors too.

Comparing the iPhone 4 vs. the iPad, you have a similar resolution (80% - 614,000 vs 786,000 pixels) in 1/7th the area (6 sq. inches vs 45 square inches), and that makes a HUGE difference in sharpness. If the iPad was 4x the res, it would have 5 times the pixels in 7.5 times the area, so almost as high res, and at that point holding it a bit further away when using it, you'd have equally sharp text on a much nicer to use (for surfing / reading) form factor.

I'll happily give up a mini displayport connector for that type of screen. It may not be feasible this year, though I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I can't understand arguing that 1024x768 is good enough after you've seen the retina display on the iPhone 4.
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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

The iPad is being rapidly adopted by enterprise customers. Many of them would like the ability to use the iPad for presentations to a large audience.

And yes, these customers know that there are notebook PCs that can do this.
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I would gladly pay an extra $15 or whatever the parts cost in order to have cameras that I might actually enjoy using for something, instead of the cheapest bottom-end items that they'd use just to be able to add "camera" to the features list.
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...If the iPad was 4x the res, it would have 5 times the pixels in 7.5 times the area, so almost as high res, and at that point holding it a bit further away when using it, you'd have equally sharp text on a much nicer to use (for surfing / reading) form factor.

I'll happily give up a mini displayport connector for that type of screen....

I think the real issue though is battery life and performance. There is no such thing as a free lunch! Rendering that many more pixels comes at a pretty big cost in performance and therefore battery life - I can't make a good guess at it for this device since I am not familiar with power drain for the disparate screens but I can tell you with great confidence it would be significant. Granted newer GPUs (read multicore) has the potential to add a bunch to existing performance but at what cost?

How much battery life are you willing to give up?
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As to Display Port why would anyone want that on a tablet as opposed to a SD slot or USB port? Really that one I dont get at all.

I am a teacher. This would allow me to show powerpoint presentations from the ipad, rather than having to drag my laptop around.
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I would gladly pay an extra $15 or whatever the parts cost in order to have cameras that I might actually enjoy using for something, instead of the cheapest bottom-end items that they'd use just to be able to add "camera" to the features list.

There is always a trade off. Are you willing to add more thickness (fairly significant amount) to the iPad? I am but I think most would balk-

Just my two cents.
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Apple will definitely include 'HD' cameras in the iPad2, as it is so easy to include a camera that is classed as 'HD'. As for specs, and if they even need to include a rear camera is the talking point.

I still think there is a chance of them not including a rear camera, just because I personally can't see the use. Apple only uses/markets the rear camera for iPhone and iPod Touch for taking still shots and videos, and I can't see Apple pushing this as a reason to use a rear camera on the iPad2 (you may use it for this, but looks silly on if advertised this way). And we all know Apple only puts hardware in their products that they believe is useful, regardless of what the rest of the industry is doing.
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I always have my iphone with me. Why do I need another camera. Waste of space and money.
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I am a teacher. This would allow me to show powerpoint presentations from the ipad, rather than having to drag my laptop around.

You can already do that without DisplayPort. It's called Keynote and the Dock Connector to VGA adapter.

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Apple will definitely include 'HD' cameras in the iPad2, as it is so easy to include a camera that is classed as 'HD'.

Why? All evidence points to 0.3 and 1.0 megapixels for the front and rear cameras, respectively. There's no evidence or reason for classifying anything as HD.

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I always have my iphone with me. Why do I need another camera. Waste of space and money.

"I have no use for this feature, so obviously it's completely pointless and no one needs it."

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The iPad is being rapidly adopted by enterprise customers. Many of them would like the ability to use the iPad for presentations to a large audience.

If that's the case, then it should have been HDMI not displayport as HDMI is used by both enterprise and home use more so than display port. Yet another example of a Apple's closed sytem trying to make you buy their own connector. While some monitors may have display port; they all have HDMI.
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I always have my iphone with me. Why do I need another camera. Waste of space and money.

And how would you take that picture with your iPhone while reading your iPad with both hands?
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There is no technical reason to limit iPad2 to any kind of camera. I think it all comes down to other factors like the positioning of iPad wrt iPhone and iPodTouch and cost.
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I think the real issue though is battery life and performance. There is no such thing as a free lunch! Rendering that many more pixels comes at a pretty big cost in performance and therefore battery life - I can't make a good guess at it for this device since I am not familiar with power drain for the disparate screens but I can tell you with great confidence it would be significant. Granted newer GPUs (read multicore) has the potential to add a bunch to existing performance but at what cost?

How much battery life are you willing to give up?

I read this statement a lot, but I haven't seen any real evidence either way. I'm curious whether anyone has benchmarked a laptop running at various resolutions to see if the battery runtime was impacted when using different resolutions. My instincts tell me it's marginal, but I'd love to see hard data to prove either case.
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If that's the case, then it should have been HDMI not displayport as HDMI is used by both enterprise and home use more so than display port. Yet another example of a Apple's closed sytem trying to make you buy their own connector. While some monitors may have display port; they all have HDMI.

You continue to be astoundingly hilarious. DisplayPort is not only an open standard, it's free to adopt. You can't fit six HDMI ports on a graphics card, but ATI puts that many Mini DisplayPort on its high-end graphics walls.

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cause people might want to use the ipad as a presentation device connected to a projector instead of logging a laptop around.

I have yet to see a projector in any presentation I've attended that does not have a VGA connector even if it has HDMI.
Given Apple's obvious push for AirPlay, I don't see why they'd want HDMI on their devices any more than they want BluRay on their computers.
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I have yet to see a projector in any presentation I've attended that does not have a VGA connector even if it has HDMI.
Given Apple's obvious push for AirPlay, I don't see why they'd want HDMI on their devices any more than they want BluRay on their computers.

Not HDMI- Displayport and the answer is to sell cables.
Projectors use would be a minority of overall iPad users. It use would be primarily to connect to a display.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Businesses dont have displays compatible with the display port, just like more than 90% of consumers. If they are going to put a video out port, it should be HDMI, and it should have 7.1 audio support as well.

1) There is a simple VGA kit that's been available to connect iPad to projectors for months now.
2) 7.1 audio!!??? I doubt that they do 7.1 audio in presentations at Pixar or Lucas, let alone at any other real company. Silliest feature I ever seen suggested.
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