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Apple is indeed building new iPad 2 models, confirms a report by the Wall Street Journal, noting a list of features previously reported.

The report cites "people familiar with the matter" as saying "The new device will be thinner, lighter and will come with a faster processor, more memory and a more powerful graphics processor."

It also stated the next iPad "will have a front-facing camera for the first time for features like video-conferencing, but the resolution of the new iPad's display will be similar to the first iPad."

It also noted it would be available through Verizon Wireless and AT&T, but not other US carriers.

In January, AppleInsider exclusively reported notes from Concord Securities Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who similarly highlighted a slim new form factor made possible by a new display module said to be 30-35 percent thinner, supplied by both LG and Samsung.

That report also highlighted that iPad 2 wouldn't ship with a Retina Display resolution because panel production volumes and cost couldn't meet Apple's requirements.

The report also added additional color the Wall Street Journal didn't, detailing that extra speed would come from new generation of SoC incorporating a dual core Cortex-A9 ARM processor and Imaginations SGX543 dual core graphics technology.

The coming iPad's RAM is expected to be doubled to 512MB, the same as today's iPhone 4 but still half that of the $800 Motorola Xoom. RAM is also said to be accelerated using a faster 1066MHz bus, compared to the 800MHz timing of iPhone 4.

The Wall Street Journal report didn't supply any details about the resolution of both front and rear cameras, but our previous report expects parts similar to those used on the newest iPod touch: a front facing VGA resolution and a 1MP rear camera capable of 720p HD capture but not equivalent to the 5MP iPhone 4 camera, which rivals many point and shoot cameras in terms of photo quality.

The form factor of the iPad make it less likely to be used as a general purpose camera substitute in the manner of iPhone 4, as graphically depicted in the Xoom ad showing the protagonist capturing a photograph with his tablet.

An AppleInsider report from last September indicated iPad 2 may ship in Q1 2011, slightly earlier than the iPad's one year anniversary, as part of an aggressive move to push its FaceTime video conferencing feature.

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hey the aapl share price hit 355 today and one day's paper profit is going to pay for 3 new Ipads
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Apple is indeed building new iPad 2 models, confirms a report by the Wall Street Journal, noting a list of features previously reported.

The report cites "people familiar with the matter" as saying "The new device will be thinner, lighter and will come with a faster processor, more memory and a more powerful graphics processor."

It also stated the next iPad "will have a front-facing camera for the first time for features like video-conferencing, but the resolution of the new iPad's display will be similar to the first iPad."

It also noted it would be available through Verizon Wireless and AT&T, but not other US carriers.

In January, AppleInsider exclusively reported notes from Concord Securities Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who similarly highlighted a slim new form factor made possible by a new display module said to be 30-35 percent thinner, supplied by both LG and Samsung.

That report also highlighted that iPad 2 wouldn't ship with a Retina Display resolution because panel production volumes and cost couldn't meet Apple's requirements.

The report also added additional color the Wall Street Journal didn't, detailing that extra speed would come from new generation of SoC incorporating a dual core Cortex-A9 ARM processor and Imaginations SGX543 dual core graphics technology.

The coming iPad's RAM is expected to be doubled to 512MB, the same as today's iPhone 4 but still half that of the $800 Motorola Xoom. RAM is also said to be accelerated using a faster 1066MHz bus, compared to the 800MHz timing of iPhone 4.

The Wall Street Journal report didn't supply any details about the resolution of both front and rear cameras, but our previous report expects parts similar to those used on the newest iPod touch: a front facing VGA resolution and a 1MP rear camera capable of 720p HD capture but not equivalent to the 5MP iPhone 4 camera, which rivals many point and shoot cameras in terms of photo quality.

The form factor of the iPad make it less likely to be used as a general purpose camera substitute in the manner of iPhone 4, as graphically depicted in the Xoom ad showing the protagonist capturing a photograph with his tablet.
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.

We were the same way.. Hopefully, the low end iPad will increase in size to 32 GB. If so, I am back on again...
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.

Higher res means any RAM gain the iPad would get wouldn't be noticeable. In fact the iPad might even lag more. Double the current res of the iPad isn't possible right now. If Apple even tried to surprise with a double resolution iPad I'd be mega-cautious. I want to notice the improvements in "performance". I don't want the improvements to be used up by a higher quality display. Ideally, you'd like it both ways, but that's not possible right now. I'm glad the iPad will have the same display - this means for every performance improvement iPad 2 gets you get to actually feel it.
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hey the aapl share price hit 355 today and one day's paper profit is going to pay for 3 new Ipads
Way to go

I'm convinced investors saw the Motorola Xoom Superbowl ad and thought it was the iPad 2. That's why it jumped up suddenly.
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The term "Retina Display" does not refer to any specific resolution. It refers to the concept that at an optimal viewing distance the eye can no longer see individual pixels.

iPad has 132 ppi. iPhone 4 has 326 ppi. The Motorola Xoom has 160 ppi. I don't see any reason why Apple can't beat Motorola with a ppi somewhere inbetween the Xoom and the iPhone 4. Cleary if Motorola can do something than Apple can outdo them.
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.

Same here. I'm primarily interested in it for reading material and a place to do some basic writing or not taking, but I don't think I could use a tablet with a screen of significantly lower quality than my phone. iPhone 4's printed page quality with the pixels seemingly on the surface of the glass has spoilt me.

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post #9 of 74
It looks like he is saying that the iPad2 will not use the integrated GPS on the Qualcomm chip (or is he?)
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Higher res means any RAM gain the iPad would get wouldn't be noticeable. In fact the iPad might even lag more. Double the current res of the iPad isn't possible right now. If Apple even tried to surprise with a double resolution iPad I'd be mega-cautious. I want to notice the improvements in "performance". I don't want the improvements to be used up by a higher quality display. Ideally, you'd like it both ways, but that's not possible right now. I'm glad the iPad will have the same display - this means for every performance improvement iPad 2 gets you get to actually feel it.

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The current lag when scrolling some sites is frustrating. I'd rather it be a better experience and frankly the current screen is very readable. The reason an iPhone needs a higher PPI is because the screen is so small.
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.

No mention either of the matte or non-glare factor (as previously reported on AI) which would be a big plus for many.
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The term "Retina Display" does not refer to any specific resolution. It refers to the concept that at an optimal viewing distance the eye can no longer see individual pixels.

iPad has 132 ppi. iPhone 4 has 326 ppi. The Motorola Xoom has 160 ppi. I don't see any reason why Apple can't beat Motorola with a ppi somewhere inbetween the Xoom and the iPhone 4. Cleary if Motorola can do something than Apple can outdo them.

Why does the iPad's ppi have to beat the Xoom's? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, I seriously doubt the Xoom will sell in the same volumes that the iPad is expected to. Apple has to stick with technologies that can be manufactured in massive quantities, they don't have the luxury of being able to adopt any thing else.

Finally, the resolution of the iPad is fine for it's intended use, which is from your lap, not directly in front of your face like an iPod or iPhone. On my lap I can barely see any pixelation.
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post #13 of 74
I'm in for one regardless of the display... and then next year I'll upgrade my Wife's v1 to a v3.
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No higher resolution. No sale.

My wife and I really wanted to buy one. We'll reconsider with v3.

Keeping or increasing the battery life, page rendering speed, ability to store more tabs without blanking them out, and weight are all way more important than increasing the iPad's current 132dpi screen.
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No mention of the rear camera. ???

All I want is more storage.
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The important thing from a business standpoint is for Apple to come out with something to buzz about just at the time competitor tablets are hitting the market. You don't want to go up against the latest and greatest with yesterday's news.
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post #17 of 74
Great, multi sourcing displays means some of us will get nicer screens then others. It's common to try and do this in the supply chain especially on high volume products. But I've never seen two factories from different parties produce an identical product to one another.
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Well, they better be already ramping up the production. Heck, they better start making the iPhone 5 already. These manufacturing stuff takes time, and knowing that Apple has well-planned release schedules of their products, I'm not surprised.
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have not gotten me the 1st gen ipad. I wanted one but this is the reason why I wanted to wait. She got me a 16gb wifi ipad but looks like I'll have to wait at least 2 refreshes till my ipad renders me useless like the 1st or 2nd gen ipod touches and iphone 3g.
post #20 of 74
That's Apple's MO. Faster, lighter, thinner. I just hope the back is not going to be plastic like the 3G and 3Gs iPhones were. I really like my iPhone 4 over the 3Gs I had.

I was an early adopter for the iPhone and it was worth the price of admission just for visual voicemail, contact management and email.

I would have bought the first gen. iPad, but the recession kind of kicked me in the nuts. Hope to get version 2.

As far as resolution, I have the iPhone 4 and it is fantastic. I've used the iPad in the stores and it looks fine, too. I think the lack of Retina display is a non-issue at this point.

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No mention of the rear camera. ???

Yes there was ... a 1MP
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I'm in for one regardless of the display... and then next year I'll upgrade my Wife's v1 to a v3.

Same here, I will order one the second it is possible to. I am actually quite excited .
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Higher res means any RAM gain the iPad would get wouldn't be noticeable. In fact the iPad might even lag more. Double the current res of the iPad isn't possible right now. If Apple even tried to surprise with a double resolution iPad I'd be mega-cautious. I want to notice the improvements in "performance". I don't want the improvements to be used up by a higher quality display. Ideally, you'd like it both ways, but that's not possible right now. I'm glad the iPad will have the same display - this means for every performance improvement iPad 2 gets you get to actually feel it.

Did you see the article at Anand about the a15 CPUs that TI is working on?

I doubt Apple is far behind them. It will be absolutely astonishing how much more powerful an iPad will be with these. I'm trying to figure out exactly how Apple will utilize these powerful CPUs.

Like I said in my thread I started about the a15, iPhone upgrade this year and iPad upgrade in 2012.
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No mention either of the matte or non-glare factor (as previously reported on AI) which would be a big plus for many.

The 'it must have a non-glare screen' team will be able to buy a Kindle (for those occasions they want to read in full sunlight) and an iPad2 for less than a Xoom it would appear so that is at least something
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Keeping or increasing the battery life, page rendering speed, ability to store more tabs without blanking them out, and weight are all way more important than increasing the iPad's current 132dpi screen.

This is BS. Stop thinking like a shareholder like most of the appleinsider crowd, and start thinking like a consumer.

Ram is dirt cheap, and the retina display would be the single biggest improvement you could POSSIBLY make to the iPad. 512 megs of ram not enough for a retina display? How about Apple stops cheaping out and puts in 1 gig like everyone else in the world? Ram is dirt cheap, what is it going to cut into their profits by a few cents?
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Did you see the article at Anand about the a15 CPUs that TI is working on?

I doubt Apple is far behind them. It will be absolutely astonishing how much more powerful an iPad will be with these. I'm trying to figure out exactly how Apple will utilize these powerful CPUs.

Like I said in my thread I started about the a15, iPhone upgrade this year and iPad upgrade in 2012.

Oh no you mean I should wait for iPad3!
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post #27 of 74
Bring it on. No matter what the changes, I'm having one. it's bound to be even more awesome.
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This is BS. Stop thinking like a shareholder like most of the appleinsider crowd, and start thinking like a consumer.

Ram is dirt cheap, and the retina display would be the single biggest improvement you could POSSIBLY make to the iPad. 512 megs of ram not enough for a retina display? How about Apple stops cheaping out and puts in 1 gig like everyone else in the world? Ram is dirt cheap, what is it going to cut into their profits by a few cents?

Do we know what the iPad2 RAM configurations will be yet? WSJ could be wrong. Perhaps they might be a high end version with exactly what you say, i.e. higher res screen and RAM on the top end models. I suspect there is enough demand for a increased range of iPads now.
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post #29 of 74
I don't think I need the "retina display" but the iPhone 4 has spoiled me a little. Doubling the iPad's resolution (instead of quadrupling) would be awesome because I don't hold my iPad as close to my face as I hold the iPhone.

Lighter, absolutely. Thiner... fine. The faster processor is a given. They have to. More storage is also something fairly obvious I think. Front facing camera for FaceTime, please. No rear one is needed. I honestly think the rear camera would be a waste of space. They might put it in to keep up with the Joneses, but it's certainly not necessary.

I really don't know what else is needed on the iPad. EXCEPT FOR FLASH. I'll keep on asking for it as long as just about every restaurant website and many other vanity websites are written in Flash. Give me a disclaimer saying that turning this switch will cause more crashing... anything... I just want to be able to see every website. I mostly read blogs, but the not-so-rare time I go to a site with Flash, I'd like to be able to see it.
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I'd really like to see a resolution doubled screen on iPad 2, but if the tech isn't ready it isn't ready. What should be ready and will make or break iPad 2 is the following:
  1. 1GB of RAM. As others have said RAM is dirt cheap these days and the platform could really use it.
  2. A CORTEX A9 based processor. Two cores minimal and running at a higher maximum clock rate. It would be extre nice if the machine came with four cores. Oh the processor needs to be built on SAMSUNGs newest 32/28nm process.
  3. Updated GPU. If the screen resolution doesn't change this could be a minor bump. If the resolution does get bumped up the performance here will have to more than Quadrupal. It is the GPU that has me question whether or not the screen gets double resolution. The screen isn't a problem to manufacture, getting suitable GPU preformance out of a low power GPU is.
  4. Built in GPS even in the cell free models.
  5. SD slot
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I'm convinced investors saw the Motorola Xoom Superbowl ad and thought it was the iPad 2. That's why it jumped up suddenly.

Yeah. Whew! 2.5% "jump" over two days. Hold onto your shorts!
post #32 of 74
If there's no upgraded display, then I too will be waiting for the iPad 3.

The iPhone 4 display is so beautiful, that when I read on the iPad, I find myself noticing the pixels. If the tech isn't available for a 4X resolution display (2X for each dimension) then I'll wait 'til next year.

That said, the other features I look for, in order of importance: faster CPU and graphics, 1 GB RAM, less weight.

Cameras - fine, but I'll rarely use them.

What I'd love to see in a software update: Bluetooth tethering to my iPhone (I know that mobile hotspot is coming, but BT tethering would be much less battery hungry); and how about being able to automatically set the system clock over the Internet via NTP?
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Yeah. Whew! 2.5% "jump" over two days. Hold onto your shorts!

Yeah! I bought 200 extra when it dropped on the SJ news a few weeks ago so I am really happy at the jump. Normally I don't do rash things and most of my AAPL dates way back but I couldn't resist.

OMG I just hit 4000 posts ... I need to get a life.
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Why does the iPad's ppi have to beat the Xoom's? That doesn't make any sense.

I didn't say it has to be greater than the Xoom, I said there is no real reason that it can't be. If Motorola can acheive 160 ppi then I'm sure Apple can find a way to acheive greater than 132 ppi and in the volumes that they need.

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Finally, the resolution of the iPad is fine for it's intended use, which is from your lap, not directly in front of your face like an iPod or iPhone. On my lap I can barely see any pixelation.

The resolution of the iPhone 3GS was fine too, but that doesn't mean that the upgrade to Retina Display isn't much appreciated
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The term "Retina Display" does not refer to any specific resolution. It refers to the concept that at an optimal viewing distance the eye can no longer see individual pixels.

iPad has 132 ppi. iPhone 4 has 326 ppi. The Motorola Xoom has 160 ppi. I don't see any reason why Apple can't beat Motorola with a ppi somewhere inbetween the Xoom and the iPhone 4. Cleary if Motorola can do something than Apple can outdo them.

Don't forget that Apple would need at least 20x what Moto would and making that quantity mat not be viable yet.

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Don't forget that Apple would need at least 20x what Moto would and making that quantity mat not be viable yet.

That's why I wondered if there might be an optional and expensive high end iPad2. You know, the 'Limited Edition'. You never know.
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post #37 of 74
RAM isn't dirt cheap have you seen the price of the Motorola Xoom?



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512 megs of ram not enough for a retina display? How about Apple stops cheaping out and puts in 1 gig like everyone else in the world?
post #38 of 74
The importance of the screen resolution is to keep both the iPad, iTouch, and iPhone within divisible numbers for the developers.

Using non-divisible numbers creates odd resolutions that have to be supported.

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I didn't say it has to be greater than the Xoom, I said there is no real reason that it can't be. If Motorola can acheive 160 ppi then I'm sure Apple can find a way to acheive greater than 132 ppi and in the volumes that they need.
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That's why I wondered if there might be an optional and expensive high end iPad2. You know, the 'Limited Edition'. You never know.

Yes. Fork the platform.
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Yeah! I bought 200 extra when it dropped on the SJ news a few weeks ago so I am really happy at the jump. Normally I don't do rash things and most of my AAPL dates way back but I couldn't resist.

OMG I just hit 4000 posts ... I need to get a life.

No worries - you're not at 20,000 yet.
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