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HP on Wednesday announced a trio of new webOS-based products, including the TouchPad, a touchscreen tablet with dimensions similar to the iPad, and the Pre 3, a new smartphone intended to compete with Apple's iPhone.

"Today we're embarking on a new era of webOS with the goal of linking a wide family of HP products through the best mobile experience available," said Jon Rubinstein, senior vice president and general manager for the Palm Global Business Unit at HP. "The flexibility of the webOS platform makes it ideal for creating a range of innovative devices that work together to keep you better connected to your world."

Rubinstein, a former Apple employee, is known as the "father of the iPod." He left Apple in 2005, and became CEO of Palm in 2009.

TouchPad

Rubsintein and HP on Wednesday unveiled the TouchPad, a 9.7-inch multi-touch tablet with a virtual keyboard, instant-on access and support for Adobe Flash Player 10.1 beta in its browser. The device will run Palm's webOS and will have access to "thousands" of applications from the platform.

In April 2010, HP acquired Palm for $1.2 billion, after the struggling smartphone maker failed to find significant traction for its Pre smartphone. HP made it clear they were interested in Palm because of webOS, its mobile operating system, and the prospect of bringing it to tablet-style devices.

HP said the TouchPad is designed to be used alone or as a digital companion to a webOS phone, alerting users of missed phone calls or text messages. The device will launch "later in the summer," and pricing and availability are yet to be announced.

The virtual full QWERTY keyboard includes a number row for quicker typing, and the hardware includes a 1.3-megapixel front-facing webcam for video calling capabilities. The TouchPad has built-in HP Touchstone technology, which allows for charging in either portrait or landscape mode.



Features and specs of the TouchPad, according to HP:

HP webOS
High-speed connectivity
Qualcomm Snapdragon dual-CPU APQ8060 1.2-GHz processor
9.7-inch diagonal XGA capacitive, multitouch screen with a vibrant, 18-bit color, 1,024 x 768 resolution display
The option of either 16 GB or 32 GB of internal storage
High-performance browser with full access to the web, including support for Adobe Flash Player 10.1 beta for access to rich, Flash-based web content
Wireless connectivity:
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n with WPA, WPA2, WEP, 802.1X authentication
A-GPS (3G only)(10)
Bluetooth wireless technology 2.1 + EDR with A2DP stereo Bluetooth support
Multimedia options, including music, photos, video recording and playback, and a 3.5 mm headset/headphone/microphone jack
Internal stereo speakers and Beats Audio
Front-facing 1.3-megapixel webcam for live video calling
Email, including EAS (for access to corporate Microsoft Exchange servers) and personal email support (Google Gmail push, Yahoo!, POP3, IMAP)
Robust messaging support
Light sensor, accelerometer, compass (magnetometer) and gyroscope
Rechargeable 6,300 mAh (typical) battery
Micro-USB (Charging and PC Connect) with USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
Built-in HP Touchstone technology for easy charging (HP Touchstone for TouchPad sold separately) and HP touch-to-share to share web addresses between TouchPad and compatible webOS phones
Dimensions: 190 mm x 242 mm x 13.7 mm (7.48 inches x 9.53 inches x .54 inches)
Weight: approximately 740 g (1.6 pounds)
Pre 3

The Pre 3 is a new smartphone from HP powered by webOS geared for professional users. It sports a 3.58-inch touchscreen and packs a 1.4GHz processor with full slide-out keyboard.

HP boasted that the new phone has a slim design and high-capacity battery that supports the "new look of business for the 24-hour life." Compared to its predecessor, the hardware maker said the new Pre has a bigger and better touchscreen, more processing power and an all-new keyboard.



The Pre 3 also has a forward-facing camera for video calling, access to HP Synergy for contacts through social networking services, and support for Adobe Flash Player 10.1 beta. The full list of features and specs according to HP:
HP webOS
High-speed connectivity
Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8x55 1.4-GHz processor
3.58-inch multitouch screen with a vibrant, 24-bit color, 480 x 800 resolution display
Gesture area, which enables simple, intuitive gestures for navigation
Redesigned vertical slide-out QWERTY keyboard with backlight
8 or 16 gigabytes (GB) of internal storage
High-performance browser with full access to the web, including support for Adobe Flash Player 10.1 beta for access to rich, Flash-based web content
Wireless connectivity:
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n with WPA, WPA2, WEP, 802.1X authentication
Integrated GPS (and A-GPS)
Bluetooth wireless technology 2.1 + EDR with A2DP stereo Bluetooth support
Wi-Fi router functionality for up to five devices using HP mobile hotspot
Multimedia options, including music, photos, video recording and playback, a 5-megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash and a 3.5 mm stereo headset jack
Rear-facing autofocus camera with flash, HD camcorder (capable up to 720p video recording)
Front-facing VGA fixed-focus camera for live video calling
Email, including EAS (for access to corporate Microsoft Exchange servers) and personal email support (Google Gmail push, Yahoo!, POP3, IMAP)
Robust messaging support (combining IM, SMS and MMS capabilities)
Proximity sensor, light sensor, accelerometer and compass
Removable, rechargeable 1,230 mAh battery
USB mass storage mode to transfer media and other files quickly between desktop and device
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Here are some bloggers at the TouchPAd announcement:




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I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?
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I do think the "handoff" transfer of web pages by touching the Pre to the TouchPad is kind of cool. But summer is a long way off. Did they mention pricing? I was following Engadget for a little while but didn't hear prices for any of the phones or the TouchPad.
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I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?

It was mentioned in the presentation, "later this year," was I believe the timeframe they are shooting for
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Summer 2011 launch. This TouchPad will go on sale when the first 5 million iPad 2's are are in customers hands. It is the best alternative to the iPad I've seen yet, however. Apple need to demo iOS 5 on an iPad 2 with some improved features and this thing has an uphill battle.

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I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not.

That's what they said, and to me it was the biggest news of that show.

The products looked impressive. HP's move here is impressive. I'm looking for battery life and pricing on anything and not seeing it.

But HP could make some serious noise, They seem to be implementing an apple-like strategy and they have many of the same tools to work with....not all, but they even have a couple advantages, including a vastly larger PC base.

I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but if they get devs behind it and HP offesr some enticing deals to content providers......well they could do well for themselves in this new era of computing.

We will see where it goes.

What I am most interested in is how they cultivate an ecosystem compared to Apple's.....

Microsoft is on shaky ground the next decade or so IYAM. Critical times for them.
post #8 of 198
Look an iPad with webOS in it..

Waiting until Summer is what'll kill the TouchPad. iPad 2 and Honeycomb tablets will be out sooner..
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HP on Wednesday announced a trio of new webOS-based products, including the TouchPad, a touchscreen tablet with dimensions similar to the iPad, and the Pre 3, a new smartphone intended to compete with Apple's iPhone. ...

The phones look like a complete fail to me but the tablet looks interesting and (finally!) some real competition for Apple.

Why they would release only phones with little plastic keyboards and no touch-keyboard phones is just mystifying, as is the decision that we were all lacking a *smaller* phone than the Pre. Those things just make me go WTF?! but the tablet looks kind of nice.

One things seriously missing from the iPad is any kind of phone/tablet integration (or a decent email app but that's another story), and I've often wished for it when I'm travelling with both. Why should I have to either use iPads crappy email program or pull my phone out of my pocket every time it gets mail? I'm usually typing on the iPad when it happens and they are both within bluetooth range of each other (heck they are even in RFID range of each other), and are often sitting on the same network.
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Looks interesting, if anything... they made it look like yet another iPad clone.

However, I'm surprised Rubenstein is still running that unit considering how he totally borked the product when he was in charge of the helm.
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1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?
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You know, the post I made well before this one came along.

Yes, sarcasm.
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1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?

Same weight.
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I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?

They announced it, but were very fuzzy about details.

I suspect, that they will run WebOS apps in a Windows 7 window (or windows) -- maybe using a WebOS simulator.

Apple could easily do this, as the code already exists. However, I suspect that Apple will more tightly integrate iOS and Mac OS X Lion at the system level.
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Here are some bloggers at the TouchPAd announcement:

Very nice. No picture credit? Wert thou there?

On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.
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It was mentioned in the presentation, "later this year," was I believe the timeframe they are shooting for

That must make Ballmer very happy!
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This HP announcement had less details than the RIM PlayBook announcement...

No Price, No Availability, No Battery Specs!

Apparently, they had live demos, though!
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I do think the "handoff" transfer of web pages by touching the Pre to the TouchPad is kind of cool.

It's a neat trick that's good for a demo, but it doesn't seem that useful in real life.
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They announced it, but were very fuzzy about details.

I suspect, that they will run WebOS apps in a Windows 7 window (or windows) -- maybe using a WebOS simulator.

Apple could easily do this, as the code already exists. However, I suspect that Apple will more tightly integrate iOS and Mac OS X Lion at the system level.

Oh that's a shame, I thought it was a full alternative to Windows for a moment aimed at HP PCs. Now I stop to think I see that was stupid.
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Looks interesting, if anything... they made it look like yet another iPad clone.

However, I'm surprised Rubenstein is still running that unit considering how he totally borked the product when he was in charge of the helm.

Palm was "borked" long before Rubenstein ever got there.
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It looks like this is a blatant copycat of iPad forms. May be some of the recent rumors of iPad2 is just this one? The real iPad2 may have a rear camera after all. News articles about the iPad and iPhone competitors always neglect the batter issue. But the battery is one important area that iPad and iPhone excels.
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This HP announcement had less details than the RIM PlayBook announcement...

No Price, No Availability, No Battery Specs!

Apparently, they had live demos, though!

That's better than placing the tablet in a glass casing for everyone to just stare at and play some fancy videos like RIM did.
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Oh that's a shame, I thought it was a full alternative to Windows for a moment aimed at HP PCs. Now I stop to think I see that was stupid.

My impression, based solely on the engadget live blog images, was that these were PCs running webOS, not Windows machines with a webOS layer:



Looks like a boot screen, but really no details.
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I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?

That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.
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It looks like this is a blatant copycat of iPad forms. May be some of the recent rumors of iPad2 is just this one? ...

"This one" isn't anywhere near production yet, so unlikely.
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Very nice. No picture credit? Wert thou there?

On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.

Pic was From Jason Snell

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I do think the "handoff" transfer of web pages by touching the Pre to the TouchPad is kind of cool. But summer is a long way off. Did they mention pricing? I was following Engadget for a little while but didn't hear prices for any of the phones or the TouchPad.

No pricing. No battery life.
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I think HP is going to deliver a pretty good product. If they can return to their roots they should be able to match, or come close. to Apple's quality.

I can see two big challenges for them. The first is competing with Android for Non-Apple market share. HP might have left it too late to get a major foot in the door.

The other is the availability of components at prices competitive to Apple's. SInce Apple is now known to pre-pay for components they consider critical - and to get a nice discount in return - it is going to be difficult for HP to deliver quality at a price point that is both competitive and profitable.

As an old Palm V owner (shows how old I am) I'll wish them then best in taking market share from Android.
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That's what they said, and to me it was the biggest news of that show.

The products looked impressive. HP's move here is impressive. I'm looking for battery life and pricing on anything and not seeing it.

But HP could make some serious noise, They seem to be implementing an apple-like strategy and they have many of the same tools to work with....not all, but they even have a couple advantages, including a vastly larger PC base.

I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but if they get devs behind it and HP offesr some enticing deals to content providers......well they could do well for themselves in this new era of computing.

We will see where it goes.

What I am most interested in is how they cultivate an ecosystem compared to Apple's.....

Microsoft is on shaky ground the next decade or so IYAM. Critical times for them.

I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.
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I could be mistaken, but didn't HPs CEO just come out saying they're not going to announce products without being able to release them soon? as others have said, ipad 2 is going to be way ahead by the time HPs products are out the door. and although they seem to be emulating apples style, at least they seem to be putting out a good, competitive product instead of just another "me too" out there. certainly looks better than android.
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It's a neat trick that's good for a demo, but it doesn't seem that useful in real life.

I can see lots of uses for the technology -- using NFC.

You buy stuff at the store, gas station or supermarket:
-- you wave or bump your phone against the POST (Point Of Sale Terminal), cash register, cc machine
-- your payment is digitally sent and recorded
-- your detailed receipt is digitally returned

Boom!
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That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.

I wouldn't be so sure. There are a lot of people out there for whom a traditional PC (especially running Windows, so some segment of HP's customer base) is just way too complicated, to the point where they use it as little as possible and fear it like a trip to the dentist. I think they might be able to sell more than a few of these to those living in PC fear. I think Apple could probably sell more than a few keyboard+mouse iOS PCs to the same demographic.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

The phones look like a complete fail to me but the tablet looks interesting and (finally!) some real competition for Apple.

Why they would release only phones with little plastic keyboards and no touch-keyboard phones is just mystifying, as is the decision that we were all lacking a *smaller* phone than the Pre. Those things just make me go WTF?! but the tablet looks kind of nice.

One things seriously missing from the iPad is any kind of phone/tablet integration (or a decent email app but that's another story), and I've often wished for it when I'm travelling with both. Why should I have to either use iPads crappy email program or pull my phone out of my pocket every time it gets mail? I'm usually typing on the iPad when it happens and they are both within bluetooth range of each other (heck they are even in RFID range of each other), and are often sitting on the same network.

What was there about the tablet that got to you? I couldn't find anything. Same screen size. same resolution, but in obsolete 18 bit color. Really, these days on a tablet? I guess the screen was cheaper.

The rest of the features looked as though they came out of a rumors site for the iPad2, except that there's only one camera, for video calls. Otherwise, nothing of note.
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I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.

It doesn't have to be all-new ideas, features. Apple has never been feature-centric.

The interesting thing here is HP taking control of the software.

You dont have to make brand new eye poping features, you need to make your features work better than your competitors.

WebOS may or may not be able to do that, but this is the first truly intriguing, non-apple entry into the mobile space in the last couple years in my mind.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Pic was From Jason Snell

Thanks for posting it. It's a great shot, on a few different levels.
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1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?

iPad is 1.5 lbs for Wifi-only, 1.6 lbs for 3G. Presumably the stats they quoted are for the Wifi-only (3G and 4G versions are to follow), so a tiny bit heavier. It's also half a mm thicker.

The hardware is fairly conservative (for a Summer 2011 ship date) so I expect battery life and price to be similar to the iPad too.

I doubt it'll look competitive next to the iPad 2 though.
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Very nice. No picture credit? Wert thou there?

On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of "cartoon" interfaces either
post #38 of 198
For some reason I get a good feeling from this offering that I don't get from Android tablets.

Apple rip-off presentation: CHECK!
Apple rip-off tablet: CHECK!
Apple rip-off laptop design: CHECK!
Apple rip-ff phone design: not quite. lol.

Overall Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?

Same as my 3G model. But that's without 3G on the Touchpad. will it also gain weight when 3/4G is there? Likely a bit, but GPS is already in there, as it SHOULD be for the WiFi iPad.

BUT, if the iPad two uses the same radio chip as the Verizon iPhone, it won't have it again. We'll need 3G to get it.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

They announced it, but were very fuzzy about details.

I suspect, that they will run WebOS apps in a Windows 7 window (or windows) -- maybe using a WebOS simulator.

Apple could easily do this, as the code already exists. However, I suspect that Apple will more tightly integrate iOS and Mac OS X Lion at the system level.

Yeah I think you'll be able to run iPad apps in Lion's full screen mode. This will eventually lead to one app running across all OS X devices/computers natively.
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