Originally Posted by jfanning
The magic bit being "phone division", not NSN, not Navteq, but "phone division". You referred to Nokia making products, but you didn't restrict the original comment to "phone division".
Look, when they were talking about the R&D dollars, they were talking about the entire company. I'm pretty sure, in one of my posts, that I referred to phones at one point. It doesn't really matter. Nokia spends a lot of money on many products. Apple spends less on far fewer products. That's an important point. We can say that Apple and Nokia spend a certain amount on their phone R&D, and then Apple is even further ahead. One model against a dozen dozen.
I'm not criticizing Nokia for that. As I said it's what they feel they have to do, and against competitors who do the same, they have no disadvantage. But against an Apple, they do have that disadvantage. And it's not just R&D, it's manufacturing cost. Nokia simply can't always get the huge discounts Apple can, except on shared parts, and many of the parts are not shared.
In addition, marketing costs for such a wide range of products is very high. It costs a great deal to come up with ten marketing campaigns rather than one or two.
Nokia has always had decent, but not large margins, even before Apple arrived on the scene. Now, they're almost nonexistent.
Your elitism is showing a little bit too much. Yes they have an excessive amount of devices, but try and remember where a lot of these are being marketed to, they need to be low cost, so they will have three versions for different frequencies etc, remember the majority of the of the world cannot afford a Symbian/WMP/Android/iOS device. They were producing a phone they can sell for next to nothing, and still managing to make a profit off it.
And your rant goes on just talking about phones, Nokia makes more than phone, why do you have an issue with that point?
Please, you have no response, so this is it, that I'm an elitist? Is that the best you can do?
Which company is going down in flames, Apple or Nokia? Am I responsible for that? I gave a very logical rundown of the situation. You obviously don't like it, and that's fine, but you misunderstand everything I said if you think it's because I'm an elitist.
No one said to Nokia that they HAD to be everything to everyone. That was their choice. And now it's become a major problem for them. It's not my fault. It's theirs. And their lunch is being eaten by even cheaper Chinese companies on the low end. Their fault again. Perhaps they should exit those markets where they can't make a profit, and their sales are falling.
So, I'm an elitist, but their cheap phones aren't selling that well, and why, because elitist Mel went to those countries and told them to not buy that junk? No, because people see it's junk, and don't want to buy it.
Don't blame me.