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AT&T is offering 1000 rollover minutes to loyal customers in hopes of staving off defections to the Verizon network, and an Apple shareholder voting proposal calling for a majority vote to reelect board members has gained support from three prominent advisory services. Also, a new carrier tracking service estimates Verizon iPhone network traffic already accounts for more than 3 percent of all US iPhone-based traffic.

AT&T rollover

Reports emerged Friday that AT&T is offering 1000 rollover minutes as a customer appreciation promotion. Though initial reports suggested that the offer was only for iPhone customers near the end of their contracts, numerous AT&T customers without iPhones claim to have been approved for the bonus minutes.

Customers activated the promotion by texting "Yes" to the number "11113020." Processing of the bonus minutes could take up to 4 weeks.

This isn't the first promotion that AT&T has used to steal thunder from Verizon's iPhone 4 launch on Thursday. On Wednesday, AT&T teased an unlimited mobile to any mobile calling feature, promising more details on Thursday.

The Verizon iPhone 4 launch was relatively uneventful. One analyst called the release "a yawner" because most customers had elected to preorder online rather than brave the cold. Another analyst reported demand as healthy, but not "blowout," and indicated that sales should still be on track for at least 1 million units in the first week.

Shareholder proposal

Ahead of Apple's annual shareholder meeting on Feb. 23, three prominent advisory services have thrown their weight behind a shareholder proposal favoring majority votes for unopposed board member reelections, Reuters reports.

The proposal was initiated by pension giant CalPERS, which owns at least 2 million shares of Apple stock. CalPERS announced Friday that Egan-Jones Proxy Services, Glass, Lewis & Co and ISS Proxy Services are in support of the proposal. Proxy firms advise and sometimes vote on behalf of corporate shareholders.

Apple, which opposes the resolution, currently has a plurality vote rule in uncontested elections, which, according to CalPERS, could allow a board member's reelection with just a single vote.

Though the shareholder proposal is non-binding, California law requires companies with majority-vote policies to step down should they fail to win a majority.

ISS Proxy Services also supports a second shareholder proposal that would require Apple to disclose a CEO succession plan. Apple has argued that disclosing its succession plan would give competitors an "unfair advantage."

Verizon iPhone traffic

A new "Carrier Clash" tracker from ad network Chitika claims to show the share of US iPhone-based traffic that AT&T and Verizon each have. According to the tracker, Verizon's share of network traffic has reached 3.4 percent just days after launching the iPhone 4.

The tracker measures cellular connections from iPhones across the Chitika advertising network. Percentages are a 24-rolling average, update hourly.



In just two hours of preorders, sales of the iPhone 4 on Verizon beat the carrier's previous sales records for any handset. Brick-and-mortar sales of the device have been muted, however, with one blogger calling launch day lines "laughably short."
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So there isn't a single unlocked iPhone running in the states?
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So there isn't a single unlocked iPhone running in the states?

Not unless you're jailbroken or bought an iPhone in another country.
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AT&T is offering 1000 rollover minutes to loyal customers in hopes of staving off defections to the Verizon network, and an Apple shareholder voting proposal calling for a majority vote to reelect board members has gained support from three prominent advisory services. Also, a new carrier tracking service estimates Verizon iPhone network traffic already accounts for more than 3 percent of all US iPhone-based traffic.

AT&T rollover

Reports emerged Friday that AT&T is offering 1000 rollover minutes as a customer appreciation promotion. Though initial reports suggested that the offer was only for iPhone customers near the end of their contracts, numerous AT&T customers without iPhones claim to have been approved for the bonus minutes.

Customers activated the promotion by texting "Yes" to the number "11113020." Processing of the bonus minutes could take up to 4 weeks.

Yup, just had a friend who works for AT&T added to my family plan accounts. A nice little gift from AT&T if you ask me.
post #5 of 38
The article doesn't have a link to how to see the carrier stat updates:

http://labs.chitika.com/iZone/

Is there an identifying signature that tells what carrier the device is on? Does their method take care to avoid counting those using WiFi but over the carrier's land line division? Their site doesn't seem to say, that I've found yet anyway.
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Ahead of Apple's annual shareholder meeting on Feb. 23, three prominent advisory services have thrown their weight behind a shareholder proposal favoring majority votes for unopposed board member reelections, Reuters reports.

The proposal was initiated by pension giant CalPERS.... CalPERS announced Friday that Egan-Jones Proxy Services, Glass, Lewis & Co and ISS Proxy Services are in support of the proposal.

Apple, which opposes the resolution, currently has a plurality vote rule in uncontested elections, which, according to CalPERS, could allow a board member's reelection with just a single vote.

Though the shareholder proposal is non-binding, California law requires companies with majority-vote policies to step down should they fail to win a majority.

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CalPERS = ISS = utter irrelevancies.

(Here's a simple Apple shareholder guide: If they're for something, vote against it.)
post #7 of 38
So what is that, about 650,000 Verizon iPhones so far?
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I wonder if saying yes is an agreement to renew your contract for two more years?
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So what is that, about 650,000 Verizon iPhones so far?

Kind of hard to say. But I'd expect Apple to make an announcement Monday morning if they do over a million through this weekend.
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I wish I could sell my 4000+ rollover minutes or convert them to 'signal'
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So there isn't a single unlocked iPhone running in the states?

What relevance does this have to the topic of the article?

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post #12 of 38
I have about 3 hundred unused ones every month expiring, why would I need another 1000? A few bucks drop in a plan price would be better.
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post #13 of 38
How about letting me use 1 rollover minute as an SMS/MMS?

How about auto-teiring (someone on this site mentioned it before) where my plan will auto-bump to the next highest plan so the max I will ever be charged is what the maximum unlimited plan is. This would add peace of mind to customers without fear of thousands of dollars for a la carte prices.
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I wish I could sell my 4000+ rollover minutes or convert them to 'signal'

I've got over 10,000 rollover minutes (family plan). I don't need anymore. How about free tethering and the lifting of the arbitrary no facetime over 3G etc?

I'd also not like to be raped getting a new phone after one year. With the family plan, the primary account holder is eligible for a new iPhone each year, but the secondary holder is not. So the wife and I have been paying for one at normal price and one at the higher "rape me" rate.


Sheldon
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I have about 3 hundred unused ones every month expiring, why would I need another 1000? A few bucks drop in a plan price would be better.


I thought ATT lets you change your plan at will with just a phone call to them. Why don't you lower your plan for a few months, use up those rollovers, and then up it back up when you need it.
Result = a few bucks drop in a plan price + 1000 rollover minutes
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I've got over 10,000 rollover minutes (family plan). I don't need anymore. How about free tethering and the lifting of the arbitrary no facetime over 3G etc?

I'd also not like to be raped getting a new phone after one year. With the family plan, the primary account holder is eligible for a new iPhone each year, but the secondary holder is not. So the wife and I have been paying for one at normal price and one at the higher "rape me" rate.


Sheldon

Free tethering I agree with if youre only talking about limited data plans.

The FaceTime over 3G makes no sense in relation to AT&T. That is a limitation from Apple and has nothing to do with AT&T flipping a switch or lifting anything. Im sure this will happen this year with iOS 5.0.

if you are choosing to pay a higher rate then how is that rape? Why choose it if then refer to it as something as a criminal action without your consent. I dont understand how such hyperbolic comments are meant to effective.
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I thought ATT lets you change your plan at will with just a phone call to them. Why don't you lower your plan for a few months, use up those rollovers, and then up it back up when you need it.
Result = a few bucks drop in a plan price + 1000 rollover minutes

They do, but I bet most people are already at the lowest (yet still very high) 450 minutes per month voice plan making 1000 rollover minutes pointless.

Maybe we should all get together and use this voice minutes at the same time continuously to tach them a lesson? Would that even have an effect on their network the way heavy data users do? Im guessing it wouldnt.
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Free tethering I agree with if you’re only talking about limited data plans.

The FaceTime over 3G makes no sense in relation to AT&T. That is a limitation from Apple and has nothing to do with AT&T flipping a switch or lifting anything. I’m sure this will happen this year with iOS 5.0.

I'm pretty sure AT&T demanded the limitation in the first place, do you mean to say they can't lift the limitation on a per-account basis?

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if you are choosing to pay a higher rate then how is that rape? Why choose it if then refer to it as something as a criminal action without your consent. I don’t understand how such hyperbolic comments are meant to effective.

I agree. The higher price for the additional phones is because the additional phone lines are heavily discounted, by my figuring, saving $30/mo over having the phone on a separate account. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the multi-line account that enables the low cost annual upgrade on the first phone in the first place.
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I'm pretty sure AT&T demanded the limitation in the first place, do you mean to say they can't lift the limitation on a per-account basis?

They may have demanded it for all iPhones, not just the AT&T iPhone, and there may be a contract in place disallowing FaceTime over 3G on any network in the world, but it's still something Apple has to ultimately enable in the iPhone, not AT&T. I don't think a carrier file update can dis/enable this feature.
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Between the new "Mobile to Any Mobile" plan, which allowed us to drop from 1400 family minutes to 700, saving $20.00, and these complimentary 1000 rollover minutes (which may come in handy with the lower minutes) it didn't take us long to start benefiting from competition with Verizon.
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CalPERS = ISS = utter irrelevancies.

(Here's a simple Apple shareholder guide: If they're for something, vote against it.)

= major institutional stockholder = has more at stake and more power than any of us.

Lesson No. 1 in investing: Institutions hold all the cards. Ignore or dis them at your peril.
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I've got over 10,000 rollover minutes (family plan). I don't need anymore. How about free tethering and the lifting of the arbitrary no facetime over 3G etc?

I'd also not like to be raped getting a new phone after one year. With the family plan, the primary account holder is eligible for a new iPhone each year, but the secondary holder is not. So the wife and I have been paying for one at normal price and one at the higher "rape me" rate.


Sheldon

I've upgraded both mine and my wifes every year at the competitive rates. I'm not sure what is going on with yours, but I've been present on day one every time.

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This rollover bonus is pretty clever. Each recipient gets 1000 minutes to use calling people on other carriers to run up THEIR minutes. Equally, the mobile-to-mobile plan is very efficient at using other people's minutes at no cost to the ATT customer. Wonder if the ATT m-2-m plan also covers incoming calls from other mobile carriers. Verizon better get a similar plan working soon.

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AT&T rollover

Reports emerged Friday that AT&T is offering 1000 rollover minutes as a customer appreciation promotion. Though initial reports suggested that the offer was only for iPhone customers near the end of their contracts, numerous AT&T customers without iPhones claim to have been approved for the bonus minutes.
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This rollover bonus is pretty clever. Each recipient gets 1000 minutes to use calling people on other carriers to run up THEIR minutes.

Then you get people like me who have 450 minutes a month and use maybe 20 minutes. I'm already at the roll-over max. sigh
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LOL, yeah and people like me on Verizon... with an old Alltel plan. I have 21 phone numbers plugged into my account, that I can change anytime I want online that I get to call anytime of day or night that reflects (0) usage of minutes!
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http://labs.chitika.com/iZone/ estimates Verizon traffic to be 4%. Based on how many AT&T iphones there are in the US, what would be a good estimate of Verizon iphones ?
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This rollover bonus is pretty clever. Each recipient gets 1000 minutes to use calling people on other carriers to run up THEIR minutes. Equally, the mobile-to-mobile plan is very efficient at using other people's minutes at no cost to the ATT customer. Wonder if the ATT m-2-m plan also covers incoming calls from other mobile carriers. Verizon better get a similar plan working soon.

no, it doesn't use up the minutes on other carriers. Unless I'm mistaken, the unlimited m2m minutes apply only for calls between AT&T subscribers.
post #28 of 38
Rape is an over the top sentiment. It sounds as if you don't understand what you are agreeing to.

When you get an iPhone under contract you are paying $200/$300 in exchange for a two year contract. If you don't want the contract or the "rape" as you call it you are free to pay the full $700/$800 price of a contract free phone. You will be free to upgrade phones whenever you want.

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I'd also not like to be raped getting a new phone after one year. With the family plan, the primary account holder is eligible for a new iPhone each year, but the secondary holder is not. So the wife and I have been paying for one at normal price and one at the higher "rape me" rate.
post #29 of 38
you can lower your minutes but remember, AT&T only lets you keep as many rollover minutes as the new LOWER plan you select.
10000 rollover and switch to 450 minute from 1400 plan means you get to keep 450 of those minutes.
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no, it doesn't use up the minutes on other carriers. Unless I'm mistaken, the unlimited m2m minutes apply only for calls between AT&T subscribers.

The ATT unlimited mobile-to-mobile plan covers calls to mobile phone on ANY carrier.

http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/pla...ging-plans.jsp

Unless ATT is feeling very magnanimous (and will pick up both halves of the call), each call to a non-ATT number is free only to the sending half of the connection. The receiving half will have to pay the normal rate.

DB
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I've got over 10,000 rollover minutes (family plan). I don't need anymore. How about free tethering and the lifting of the arbitrary no facetime over 3G etc?

I'd also not like to be raped getting a new phone after one year. With the family plan, the primary account holder is eligible for a new iPhone each year, but the secondary holder is not. So the wife and I have been paying for one at normal price and one at the higher "rape me" rate.


Sheldon

As for FaceTime, just jailbreak. You can use whatever you want over 3g with a simple app install once you've jailbroken. And as a bonus, you can have free tethering too!

As for me, 100,000 extra minutes would be useless, I'm already on unlimited. I'd much prefer a rate cut.

If it weren't for the fact that T-Mobile doesn't work with iPhone 3g data in this country, I'd switch now, since they actually charge less if you've got a fully paid for phone, and they don't require a contract if you bring your own phone.

But I don't have much sympathy on you buying a new phone every year. Why would you do that? The iPhones are well built, they easily last over two years.
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...and here's why: Anyone who buys a phone out of contract gets screwed because they still pay the same phone rates as everyone else... which means every month they're paying for a subsidy they aren't receiving.

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Rape is an over the top sentiment. It sounds as if you don't understand what you are agreeing to.

When you get an iPhone under contract you are paying $200/$300 in exchange for a two year contract. If you don't want the contract or the "rape" as you call it you are free to pay the full $700/$800 price of a contract free phone. You will be free to upgrade phones whenever you want.
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...and here's why: Anyone who buys a phone out of contract gets screwed because they still pay the same phone rates as everyone else... which means every month they're paying for a subsidy they aren't receiving.

Sometimes It's not a complete all-or nothing on the subsidy, I recall there being three prices for a given iPhone, unsubsidized, maximum subsidized and one that's about half the subsidy for when you're between half way and full way of your upgrade eligibility. There is an apparent unawareness of this subsidy process, people seem to demand the advertised subsidized price every year. There's two sides to that fault, the carrier subsidy process is too opaque and confusing, but customers seem to play needlessly dumb to the very existence of the subsidy system.
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Sometimes It's not a complete all-or nothing on the subsidy, I recall there being three prices for a given iPhone, unsubsidized, maximum subsidized and one that's about half the subsidy for when you're between half way and full way of your upgrade eligibility. There is an apparent unawareness of this subsidy process, people seem to demand the advertised subsidized price every year. There's two sides to that fault, the carrier subsidy process is too opaque and confusing, but customers seem to play needlessly dumb to the very existence of the subsidy system.

The subsidy repayment should be a line item on the monthly bill which goes away once the subsidy has been paid off. I believe this is how it works in some other countries. Then you would only be pay for your monthly plan. The carriers could also eliminate ETFs by simply billing for the balance of the subsidy.

Of course, this makes too much sense and will never happen as it does not advantage the carrier.
post #35 of 38
Just called AT&T. Given that they have started this new program of unlimited to any mobile number i dropped down on my minutes as the rollover was getting kind of big. Found out that on the Loyalty minutes are only for those who received the text. If you just responded to the text, then you will not get them. Anyone hear anything different? Also, I was told that the mobile unlimited to any mobile is free for 6 months then you pay $30 a month. Anyone hear of that? Thanks in advance for replies.
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post #36 of 38
We've lived with horrible AT&T signal strength at our house since switching to get the iPhone. Two weeks ago they mailed an offer for a totally free microcell to improve our reception. If we leave AT&T within a year we just have to give it back, no other cost or contract. I'm sure it was totally a coincidence that this arrived at the same time as the Verizon iPhone.
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What relevance does this have to the topic of the article?

The sum of the percentages in the article add up to 100%. That's for Verizon and AT&T. That means no one in the US is running their iPhone on any other carrier. I know this isn't the case, since my iPhone 4 doesn't run on either network.
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The sum of the percentages in the article add up to 100%. That's for Verizon and AT&T. That means no one in the US is running their iPhone on any other carrier. I know this isn't the case, since my iPhone 4 doesn't run on either network.

I can think of two possible reasons, they might not be looking for them, and if they were, there might not be enough to make it significant relative to the carrier locked phones. The newest article I can find that discussed jailbreak percentages was two years ago.
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