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post #161 of 175
2/15/11 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

nobody said anything about 'a good idea', you are just desperately trying to find a reason to mouth off and then ask if we should continue?
you are trying to be clever i guess but you just come across as an idiot.

and who mentioned Twain? You hear about him in high school?

Actually I said it, and it's true. Just because somebody else didn't say it first doesn't meant the truth isn't the truth.

I mentioned Twain too. Did you? No. Does that matter? No. I merely opined that Twain and Shakespeare both earned the honor of us mere peons respecting their work, and that it is likely that quoting, not paraphrasing, them does a better job anyway. I added Twain specifically to strengthen my case as you already seem to do disrespect towards the Bard, and maybe you would think more of an example from the other side of the pond.

I'm surprised you find being faced with such basic common sense so offensive. Oh, wait a minute, I take that back. Unfortunately I'm nowhere near as good with a dig as Twain was so you'll just have to live with this.

This thread is dead as in dead horse. It's fun with fistie time now. How you doing with that fist thing? is it more comfortable now? Can the screaming subside? Inquiring minds want to know.
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post #162 of 175
2/15/11 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

Actually I said it, and it's true. Just because somebody else didn't say it first doesn't meant the truth isn't the truth.

I mentioned Twain too. Did you? No. Does that matter? No. I merely opined that Twain and Shakespeare both earned the honor of us mere peons respecting their work, and that it is likely that quoting, not paraphrasing, them does a better job anyway.



I added Twain specifically to strengthen my case as you already seem to do disrespect towards the Bard, and maybe you would think more of an example from the other side of the pond.

I'm surprised you find being faced with such basic common sense so offensive. Oh, wait a minute, I take that back. Unfortunately I'm nowhere near as good with a dig as Twain was so you'll just have to live with this.

This thread is dead as in dead horse. It's fun with fistie time now. How you doing with that fist thing? is it more comfortable now? Can the screaming subside? Inquiring minds want to know.



all humans in no way must respect the work of shakespeare and or twain. some take offense at the racial slurs contained in some of the works. i doubt that you do though do you? so take your demand for respect and shove it okay?

and my handle comes from a book called "neuromancer" written by william gibson. so go do some reading, chump.

'the bard'. you do make me laugh though. like you know a dang thing about his work. get a degree in english lit did we?
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post #163 of 175
2/16/11 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by vvswarup View Post

You seem to be missing the point entirely. Patent trolls are companies that buy up patents just to use them as weapons against other companies. MPEG-LA never bought any patents relating to H264 patent pool. The member companies own the patents. MPEG-LA is an organization that the member companies have paid to manage the H264 license and the related patents. In this role, MPEG LA is doing its job by looking for violations. It's looking out for its clients' best interests.

What you just described is a cartel.

MPEG-LA is a cartel or a patent troll. In reality, it is both.
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post #164 of 175
2/16/11 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by d-range View Post

This is a false statement. Anyone who studied VP8 and knows H264 (I only know the latter but I trust the analysis by people who know what they are talking about) will tell you that it is so close to H264 you could call it a direct rip-off.

If that were remotely true, there'd be no need for MPEG-LA to troll for patents like they are here. What do you think they've been doing for months? They've looked at their patents they own, they've discovered they couldn't make a case VP8 infringes on any of them. That's exactly why they're begging people to come forward with other patents they don't know about.

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There's nothing obvious about a video codec until you've studied one

I wrote my thesis on wavelet based encoding. I strongly suspect by the rest of your post, it is you that has not studied one.
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post #165 of 175
2/16/11 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

You're really grasping at straws here. What you are essentially claiming is that anyone who seeks to protect their patents is a patent troll. The alternative to seeking civil damages for infringement would be to make it a criminal offense. Perhaps you'd prefer a system that worked like that?

Any company or organization that solely exists to own patents and actively look for violators of the patents and obtain payments for the alleged violations is a patent troll organization.

This is not grasping at straws, it's the definition.
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post #166 of 175
2/16/11 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

all humans in no way must respect the work of shakespeare and or twain. some take offense at the racial slurs contained in some of the works. i doubt that you do though do you? so take your demand for respect and shove it okay?

and my handle comes from a book called "neuromancer" written by william gibson. so go do some reading, chump.

'the bard'. you do make me laugh though. like you know a dang thing about his work. get a degree in english lit did we?

Content free post -- check

Bad attitude -- check

Repetitive use of Gibson as handle origin- check

Lack of humor -- check

reading list reference -- check

Yeah, screamie, you really got it going on, and on, and on... No content and it pattern matches well.

If you want to be an asshat and disparage Shakespeare and Twain, go right ahead. You obviously don't get it, and never will. That's a sad waste of a resource, and lack of respect for yourself. Oh well...

Maybe you just need a little more lube to avoid the screaming part, or a little more respect will make society be gentler with you. Maybe kiss you first.
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post #167 of 175
2/16/11 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Asherian View Post

Any company or organization that solely exists to own patents and actively look for violators of the patents and obtain payments for the alleged violations is a patent troll organization.

This is not grasping at straws, it's the definition.

Agreed. Are you saying MPEG-LA is that? Because they don't own patents and they don't sue over patents. MPEG-LA administers the licensing and patent pool for a whole bunch of companies. If anyone sues it is the company in the pool that actually owns the patent. This explicitly separates them from the patent troll companies, even if you don't like them..
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post #168 of 175
2/17/11 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

Content free post -- check

Bad attitude -- check

Repetitive use of Gibson as handle origin- check

Lack of humor -- check

reading list reference -- check

Yeah, screamie, you really got it going on, and on, and on... No content and it pattern matches well.

If you want to be an asshat and disparage Shakespeare and Twain, go right ahead. You obviously don't get it, and never will. That's a sad waste of a resource, and lack of respect for yourself. Oh well...

Maybe you just need a little more lube to avoid the screaming part, or a little more respect will make society be gentler with you. Maybe kiss you first.

i put the gibson reference in there to try and let dumb scumbags like you know that the name has nothing to do with your own twisted perversions. so stop bringing it up and looking like a fool.
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post #169 of 175
2/17/11 at 7:10pm
Screamie, do you need a little more mental lubrication to deign to use proper capitalization??? The only fool here is the one that's not having fun with the poor troll!

Yeah, I think I'm havin' some fun now! Karma's a bitch isn't it! Turnaround is in high gear!

Maybe you should have spent the past few weeks being reasonable and respectful of others, both on and off the boards. Maybe not spouting untruths and personal insults over things it is obvious from your writings factual inaccuracies you have no insight to. That kind of written behavior is obvious to everyone. I'm over getting mad about it with you, I'm just going to let you experience the illustrious sensation of snapback.

I'll be completely supportive of a rehabilitated you. Lose the attitude and disrespect, Karma will yield goodness. Keep up your current work in a thread I cruise, I won't fail to correct the record, and I'll have lots of fun with what you post.

p.s. If you knew my reading list you might be more likely to discuss, but you don't and won't at this rate. Only a lost opportunity for you, but then if all you are is a troll that's getting fed up with the exposure you wouldn't care much.
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post #170 of 175
2/18/11 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by Hiro View Post

Screamie, do you need a little more mental lubrication to deign to use proper capitalization??? The only fool here is the one that's not having fun with the poor troll!

Yeah, I think I'm havin' some fun now! Karma's a bitch isn't it! Turnaround is in high gear!

Maybe you should have spent the past few weeks being reasonable and respectful of others, both on and off the boards. Maybe not spouting untruths and personal insults over things it is obvious from your writings factual inaccuracies you have no insight to. That kind of written behavior is obvious to everyone. I'm over getting mad about it with you, I'm just going to let you experience the illustrious sensation of snapback.

I'll be completely supportive of a rehabilitated you. Lose the attitude and disrespect, Karma will yield goodness. Keep up your current work in a thread I cruise, I won't fail to correct the record, and I'll have lots of fun with what you post.

p.s. If you knew my reading list you might be more likely to discuss, but you don't and won't at this rate. Only a lost opportunity for you, but then if all you are is a troll that's getting fed up with the exposure you wouldn't care much.

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scratch all this. it doesn't matter.
i seriously think that steve jobs is going to die very very soon. i don't think it is BS. And although i totally disagree with some of his business methods and do believe he probably was a real douche to work for, he is still a Titan in the history of computing. I adored the apple II and really believed the 'think different' campaign. sadly i think that spirit is gone from Apple. but in any case, coming to grips with the fact that a childhood idol, no matter what flaws i have imagined or are real, will soon be gone makes puts me in no mood to quible about this stupid sh**.
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post #171 of 175
2/21/11 at 2:52am
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

As much as it would have been an instinctive move Nokia was smart not to have anything to do with Google. Symbian and Google was the burning platform and Microsoft was the icy sea. Nokia jumped into the sea.

Yeah, Android, the fastest growing mobile platform is a "burning platform", while Windows Phone 7, a failed smartphone OS, is the answer!

Your logic rocks!
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post #172 of 175
2/21/11 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by tumme-totte View Post

One funny angle of all of this is that Google is a American company infringing on patents from and destroying other american companies.

What patents is Google infringing on? VP8 was created by On2 specifically to work around patents related to H264.

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The odds are not on Googles side I think.

I wouldn't be surprised if Google has some aces up its sleeve. Probably patents from the On2 acquisition that cover methods used by H264. Remember, On2 has been doing video for a long time. The company had a lot of patents relating to video.

If the MPEG-LA sues Google, Google will likely show its hand. And it probably won't be pretty for the MPEG-LA cartel.
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post #173 of 175
2/21/11 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

It's clear the decision had nothing to do with 'openness' but instead an effort to undermine Apple

Your paranoia is pretty amusing. Do you really think Google really gives a crap about Apple? All Google cares about is making money. You think they are some kind of child in a petty squabble over spare change.
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post #174 of 175
2/21/11 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Imagine if Google accused Bing of copying their search results derived using mathematical formulae known as algorithms...

...oh, hang on they did, then whined about it all over the Internet.

But did they sue Microsoft?

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Bunch of hypocrites, Google want to run roughshod over everyone else's IP, taking and adapting whatever they want but the first sign of it happening to them and they chuck a tantrum.

How is Google pointing it out when someone copies them "hypocrisy"? Did they actually sue?

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I'll leave that to Oracle (Java)

You mean the case where it turned out that nothing was infringed on?
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post #175 of 175
2/21/11 at 2:58am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Open Source software is a very minor component of the software industry.

Um, WebKit?

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Mac OS X?

"Major components of Mac OS X, including the UNIX core, are made available under Apple's Open Source license" (source@apple.com)

LOL.
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