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post #121 of 493
Outcoached 3 years in a row by the inbreeders.

Scissors: I'll give you our offensive coaching staff and 5 players of your choice for Bob Stoops.
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post #122 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Outcoached 3 years in a row by the inbreeders.

Scissors: I'll give you our offensive coaching staff and 5 players of your choice for Bob Stoops. </strong><hr></blockquote>

not a chance in hell.

great game though. half my face is fried from being in the sun. i'm half fried face man. did i mention i'm drunk. yes-sir-re-bob, i'm drunk. just dropping the parents off at my place, then it's out to drink more beer. hasta.
post #123 of 493
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Florida's getting killed in the swamp AGAIN!
Much as I hate Spurrier, I can't believe that'd happen if he was still there.

ISU wins again! We'll be seeing that run by Seneca for a loooong time. Slow first half, though.
Now comes the brutal stretch. At OU, at Texas, at K State and at Colorado all within the next five weeks.


Now I get to watch Air Force/BYU!
:cool:

I love the option!

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post #124 of 493
Oh yeah, who thought ISU would be ranked above FSU in week 9, at the begining of the season. I think the Clones (as over ranked as they are) can knock off Oklahoma or Texas.
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post #125 of 493
I think they'll beat the Sooners, OU has problems against mobile quarterbacks. If Brad Smith of Mizzou can make plays against 'em Wallace should have a field day.
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post #126 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I think they'll beat the Sooners, OU has problems against mobile quarterbacks. If Brad Smith of Mizzou can make plays against 'em Wallace should have a field day.</strong><hr></blockquote>

o ye of little faith. he'll definitely get his yards, but i doubt he can carry the whole load alone. we'll be ready for him come game time. should be a good match up.
post #127 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>Now I get to watch Air Force/BYU!
:cool:

I love the option!</strong><hr></blockquote>

nobody runs it better than air force, that's for sure. it's a thing of beauty. it amazes me that fisher deberry can continue to compete and win against much larger programs with the kind of talent he gets from year to year when army and navy just plain suck. a testament to a great coach and very smart players. by the way, they stomped the shit out of byu. i think notre dame is going to have their hands full next weekend. go falcons.

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post #128 of 493
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I've got MUCH respect for the Sooner and Longhorn defenses, plus ISU's running game just isn't getting it done this year the way they usually do.

If Seneca does pull out either of those games, they should just give him the Heisman before he leaves the field!

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post #129 of 493
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Anyone (I'm looking at you Magicfingers) want to make a friendly bet on Air Force/Notre Dame next week?

I think the Falcons can pull it off!

How about the loser has to have the fight song from the winning team in his signature for a week?

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post #130 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I've got MUCH respect for the Sooner and Longhorn defenses, plus ISU's running game just isn't getting it done this year the way they usually do.

If Seneca does pull out either of those games, they should just give him the Heisman before he leaves the field!

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

he's a bad ass, that's for sure.
post #131 of 493
Bah, go Buckeyes!
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post #132 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by chweave1:
<strong>Lets not overlook VT, if they can pull off a win against Miami... Just look at how they played against them last year, and compare that with how tech is playing this year. THAT should be a GREAT game.

GO TECH!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes! GO HOKIES!
post #133 of 493
Ohio State might want to make sure they lock down the MNC this year, or else they might be <a href="http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no22clarett.html" target="_blank">without the services</a> of young Master Clarrett.

And I say to him: "No true freshman has ever won the Heisman Trophy ..."

And he starts smiling.

"... And no one has ever challenged the NFL rule prohibiting a true freshman, sophomore or junior from entering the draft."

And he starts laughing.
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post #134 of 493
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Outside of the "Should he stay or try to go" part of that article, the stuff about his neighborhood... :eek:

I get fed up with athletes acting like "gangstas" as much as anyone, but man, just to survive s*** like that, it has to change you. EDIT: maybe I should say "shape you"

So different than the world I'm used to.

As far as going to the NFL, I wonder if many teams would be willing to take a chance on someone that young, no matter how talented.
Especially at RB, a position relatively easy to fill.

Jeff

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post #135 of 493
Anyone who thinks he can make the jump to the pro's after a year of college football is nutz. The speed of the game is night and day, and he'd be eaten alive.

The junior rule is there for a reason....the pro game is bigger, faster, and nastier. This isn't baseball or basketball, and i don't see the rule changing anytime soon.

He can laugh all he wants...cause bottom line is he's not even the best OSU running back of all time. If he thinks he is, then he has no knowledge or respect for the backs before him.
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post #136 of 493
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Reading about Eddie George in that article and the Heisman buzz for Seneca Wallace has reminded me of Troy Davis.

Now, I know the award's never going to go to a guy on a team with records as bad as Iowa State had the years he was there, and rightly so, but still...

To get as many yards against the defenses he did, when everyone KNEW he was going to get the ball everytime...

With no real passing game to speak of...

And an average at best o-line...

That was some amazing running.

It's too bad, because he's kind of been forgotten because of his lack of NFL success (which I still don't understand.)

28 Forever!

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post #137 of 493
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If you're curious (you're probably not but I just looked it up and think it's cool) TD is playing for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats of the Candian Football League and has 952 yards in 16 games.
He's averaging just under 5 yards per carry and plays with Darren Flutie (Doug's brother) who just became the CFL's all-time reception leader.

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post #138 of 493
The following is a list of guys I think were ready for the NFL after their 1st NCAA year (if not straight out of high school):

- Earl Campbell
- Bo Jackson (if he hadn't been injured so young, he could've developed into one of the most dominant athletes in history)
- Herschel Walker

I don't know if he's ready for the NFL, he has dominated so far but it's been against teams that treat defense like an afterthought. He's probably the best RB in the NCAA, at least in the top 5.

I don't think it's all that ridiculous to think of him as ready for the NFL, he's a special talent.
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post #139 of 493
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Groverat: Would you add Emmitt Smith to that list? I seem to remember seeing him on TBS a couple times his freshman year and thinking he was amazing.

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post #140 of 493
His neighborhood? If Clarett even brings that sh*t I'll know he ain't real. Warren Harding is nothing.
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post #141 of 493
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Grover's link says he's from a Youngstown ghetto, and from the sound of it, not a place this 240 LB. corn-fed white boy would want to hang around long in!

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post #142 of 493
Jeffy, that's a tough one because "logic" told all the "experts" that Emmitt wouldn't even make it after he exhausted his eligibility.

I think running back is the only position that it is generally possible to go to the pros that young, like guard in basketball. Anyone playing higher than 2 will take longer to develop an NBA game.

Actually, Randy Moss was ready (physically) for the NFL after his freshman year. NCAA ball was just a formality for him. I said "generally" above because Randy Moss truly is/was a freak of nature. A shame he's an idiot fruitcake.
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post #143 of 493
[quote]"The following is a list of guys I think were ready for the NFL after their 1st NCAA year (if not straight out of high school):

- Earl Campbell
- Bo Jackson (if he hadn't been injured so young, he could've developed into one of the most dominant athletes in history)
- Herschel Walker<hr></blockquote>

You werent even born when Earl Campball was a freshman and you were born about the same time the other two were freshman. How do you know how good they were then since you didnt see them play?

Emmitt Smith was not ready for the NFL after his freshman year.
post #144 of 493
They record moving pictures now, it's kinda cool and kind of amazing. A lot of it is even in color.
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post #145 of 493
To expound on my answer (for the guy who is 5 years older than me acting like he's been around since the 50s) note the words "I think" before the post. Obviously my exposure and knowledge is limited.

Earl Campbell - Having grown up with a very good friend whose father was a good friend and business partner of The Tyler Rose I was fortunate enough to watch quite a bit of mid-1970s Texas Longhorns football on tape, some of it old-school reel film in Mr. Campbell's living room. Also being around the program to a small extent has given me a bit of (biased) insight. He always dominated, it wasn't even fair.

Bo Jackson - I don't think this one even needs justification. I was 1 when he was a freshman in college but I was quite into sports during his heyday in the professional leagues. And as one might guess, they occassionally referenced his NCAA days.

Herschel Walker - I grew up an avid Cowboys fan, see above.

Randy Moss - See the first sentence of the Bo Jackson explanation.


I remember thinking Ricky Ervins of USC would be a superstar. Silly. You might remember him, though, he kicked Michigan's ass in a Rose Bowl some years back.
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post #146 of 493
[quote]To expound on my answer (for the guy who is 5 years older than me acting like he's been around since the 50s) note the words "I think" before the post.<hr></blockquote>

I never said I been around since the 50s. Note that I didn't take a position on those players, only on Emmitt Smith who came along later in the late 80s. I remember Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker though I was a yungin, Earl Campbell is before my time.

Ricky Ervins? Don't remember him. Slipped my mind.

I do remember Ron Dayne as a freshmen. He is the guy who later broke some other guy's record for most rushing yards. Mick Watson? Or Rick Wilson. Something like that.
post #147 of 493
I don't remember Emmitt in college really. It's difficult to say now, though, that he isn't one of the best running backs in history.

I haven't seen much Eric Dickerson but by all accounts he might be one to add to the list. I remember him running for the Rams and such, talk about poetry in motion.

I might also put Tony Boselli on that list. He was a monster from day one, if I remember correctly.
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post #148 of 493
Eric Dickerson had no need to come out of college. He was a professional anyway as were a lot of other people playing at SMU.

I think the guy who had his record broken by Ron Dayne might have been named Ricky Webmaster.

I don't think any OL are ready for the NFL after their freshman seasons. You just don't have the muscular thickness no matter how much you work out. You need that size that comes with being 22 instead of 18. Same for DTs. I've never seen a QB who was ready IMO after their freshman season. It is just way too complicated a position at the NFL without significant college preparation. I am skeptical on TE, FB and DE. Dunno about LBs. I think WRs and CBs could play. Maybe running backs and safeties.
post #149 of 493
Ooooh safeties! Here I was thinking Ronnie Lott when j00 post this. But maybe he wasn't ready so soon, he was very good in college, though.

No way are QBs ready, not even Vick from Eskimo Tech.
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I bet if Clarrett or someone else successfully challenges the rule and does well in the league EVERY hotshot underclassman will think he's good enough, with agents feeding their egos the whole way.

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post #151 of 493
Clarett is 18 years old and he's already had a knee surgery. A minor one, but still. With his running style I don't think he'd last long in the pro's. He inititates a lot of contact in his style. With the bigger faster pros, that's going to hurt more. He makes a lot of yards after the first hit. The pro's are better tacklers. After seeing him on TV a couple times I just hope he lasts through his years at OSU without injury. I mean , you never know, I could be wrong, but as a former running back, there are a lot of times i see him take hits that make me cringe. Think of the guys that last a long time, OJ, Emmet, Jim Brown, Walter Peyton, or if you're talking OSU guys, then Archie and Eddie etc, they all had running styles that were incredibly smooth, and efficient, and that minimized the hits they took . Clarett isn't like that yet, and, I'm not sure it's something you can learn.
post #152 of 493
That's one thing Emmitt used to be a master at, avoiding tackles. You never got a clean shot at him.
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Eric Dickerson was good at that in his own way.
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post #154 of 493
Ya that is incredible, if memory serves me well, I went on to other things. Then at some point I started using the back button to get back to a page I had left a while ago. Somehow when I got to the page with the post I stopped to admire the fact that the post was still there in it's entirety, I must have hit the enter key or something. I gotta start using the go menu instead of the back button.

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post #155 of 493
A double post with a double decker tweener and a 37 minute lag. Impressive.
post #156 of 493
Uh make that 36 minutes. I struggle with Maths.
post #157 of 493
Some of you are funny as hell. No HS player is ever going to be ready for the NFL. Not in my lifetime, at least.

I have had season tickets to the Washington Huskies now for almost 6 years and attended games before that. I had the pleasure of seeing Napolean Kaufman, and Corey Dillon in college up close and personal.

During this same time I have seen plenty to Seattle Seahawks games up close and personal, not on TV. TV tends to slow things down, to a degree. Anyone who thinks a HS player, or even a clooege freshman is ready to play Pro doesn't go to college games in person and then a pro game the following day.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two. The logic of RB's being able to make it is a joke. It may be one of the hardest positions to play effectively in the pro's.

I hope one of these fool's challenges it, and get's shot down like a scud.
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post #158 of 493
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Geez, it's Friday already again. Is this season (and year for that matter) going by fast, or what?

Of course, I've got my eye on the ISU/OU game (hoping the 'Clones at least keep it close) and am really looking forward to Air Force/Notre Dame.

What other matchups are good this week?

Jeff

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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>Geez, it's Friday already again. Is this season (and year for that matter) going by fast, or what?

Of course, I've got my eye on the ISU/OU game (hoping the 'Clones at least keep it close) and am really looking forward to Air Force/Notre Dame.

What other matchups are good this week?

Jeff

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ditto on both accounts. i'll be going to the ou/isu game. the weather is supposed to be shitty though. cold and wet. OU winning would go along way to keeping me warm. that and all the alcohol.


my brother went to USAFA so i'd love to see them stomp on notre dame. hell, for that matter, i'd love seeing anybody stomp on notre dame. go falcons.
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[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>Anyone (I'm looking at you Magicfingers) want to make a friendly bet on Air Force/Notre Dame next week?

I think the Falcons can pull it off!

How about the loser has to have the fight song from the winning team in his signature for a week?

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I think the Falcons could easily beat ND if they play a good game. But my money is on ND!
so come on.....
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