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post #161 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>Geez, it's Friday already again. Is this season (and year for that matter) going by fast, or what?

Of course, I've got my eye on the ISU/OU game (hoping the 'Clones at least keep it close) and am really looking forward to Air Force/Notre Dame.

What other matchups are good this week?

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Texas vs. K-State looks like the only other interesting top 25 matchup. I'd like to see how Texas comes off the lose;
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post #162 of 493
Too many people are saying Air Force is going to win for Air Force to actually pull it off. It makes me very very very sad but ND will win.

I am also very interested in how UT rebounds from the OU loss, I'm hoping we come out pissed and kick the kittycats in the balls.

I think OU will lose to ISU. Although I want OU to lose every game they ever play, I think ISU actually has a shot. It's not like the land thieves are juggernauts at home.
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post #163 of 493
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Just watched Boise State/Fresno State. Damn, that field is ugly!

Magicfingers, this bet takes on a whole new face if we have to type the dang thing out each time we make a post!
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post #164 of 493
What's up with Seneca Wallace today? Reall thought this game would be good.

OSU having troubles with Wisconsin. They can't stop the frickin run game! Stop the run damnit!
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post #165 of 493
I hate OU, I hate OU so very very much.
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post #166 of 493
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Well, that was just brutal. :eek:

ISU played about as bad on offense as they possibly could against the best D I've seen for a long time.

Seneca could have been on his game, they still wouldn't have had a shot today. I think the combination of all the Heisman hype plus the general terror the OU D provides had him playing like someone else.

Maybe I'm just shell-shocked, but based on the last two weeks, does the gap between the Sooners and 'Canes seem not great as it did early in the year?

Oh, well, I remember 0-11 too well to get depressed by the occasional drubbing by a quality team on the road.

I'm hoping for a good bounce back next week, I see the Longhorns had a tough one again today. They were my National Title pick at the start of the season!

At least ND/USAF is still close! &gt;fingers crossed&lt;

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post #167 of 493
Fiesta Fiesta !
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post #168 of 493
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Notre Dame 21, Air Force 14!

Just not my day!

It was a fun, old-school physical game, though.

Haven't seen the Irish's remaining schedule, but looking at the earlier posts in this thread, MagicFingers may be the real Nostradamus!

At least the signatures came back just in time-I HAVE always dug the ND fight song, especially the sweet A Capella version they had during Rudy.

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post #169 of 493
he-he...yes it was and old-school physical game.
ND's run defence was awesome, and they had a great effort running the ball themselves.
AF was simply overpowered by the bigger ND players,
the stats really show this. 104yds rushing for AF...they average 339, great ND defence.
335yds for ND on the ground, that proves my overpowered point.
Next week ND has an away game at Florida St.(uh-oh) they also still have to go to USC and Navy. Home games left are Rutgers and Boston College.
Looks like a 10-2 season to me, but you never know.
Maybe, if im feeling froggy, I'll let you redeem yourself with the FSU game next week.
post #170 of 493
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I dunno, the Irish will probably be favored in all those games with the possible exception of FSU, won't they? And that trip isn't nearly as scary this year.
Watching those Act I, Act II features during the ESPN broadcast has me believeing the magic is back!

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post #171 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I hate OU, I hate OU so very very much.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

that hurts. really it does.


[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:

Well, that was just brutal.

ISU played about as bad on offense as they possibly could against the best D I've seen for a long time.

Seneca could have been on his game, they still wouldn't have had a shot today. I think the combination of all the Heisman hype plus the general terror the OU D provides had him playing like someone else.

Maybe I'm just shell-shocked, but based on the last two weeks, does the gap between the Sooners and 'Canes seem not great as it did early in the year?<hr></blockquote>

wow. that was perhaps the most dominating performance on both sides of the ball i have ever seen by an oklahoma team considering how good the cyclones had been playing up until yesterday. if we can win out the rest of the season, i don't think there will be a team that can beat us for either the big 12 or the national championship. that defense is smothering and our offense just keeps getting better and better. i'm totally jazzed right now. hopefully we don't shoot ourselves in the foot and let off the intesity that i saw yesterday. go sooners.

bummer about the af - notre dame game. as much as i hate to admit it, notre dame is playing some tough ball right now. would love to see them getting knocked down a couple of notches though.
post #172 of 493
ESPN still has Senica ranked as #1 for the Heisman? And yes, It's been updated. I know one game dosn't make the season, but most of the anouncer were saying, "through out the Heisman". I just find it odd.
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post #173 of 493
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Odd? I find it darn near laughable!
I love the guy, he may be the best football player (forgive me, Troy Davis!) in Cyclone history, but I can't imagine any way he's winning that thing now!

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post #174 of 493
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Oh, I meant to give props to the Sooner fans in my post after the game. (I hope Groverat's head doesn't explode when he reads this.)

I sat near some at the game in Ames in '99 and they were really knowledgeable, cool guys.

I thought that came across on TV Saturday. A lot of crowds only pop for the big plays, especially on offense. The OU crowd even gets rowdy when the Sooners force a 3 and out. They seem to appreciate what they have with that defense.

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post #175 of 493
Crowds that know football know that you're supposed to be loudest on defense, especially on third downs. The (inbred, sister-humping) Okies know football and their (godforsaken, stump-sucking) coaches are football masters.

I think crowds that are quiet on defense and loud on offense don't know much about the game.
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post #176 of 493
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That had to be the most insulting compilment I've ever heard!

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post #177 of 493
Buckeyes going to the Fiesta Bowl!! Let's go !!!!!!
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post #178 of 493
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[quote]Buckeyes going to the Fiesta Bowl!! Let's go !!!!!!<hr></blockquote>

&gt;cough!&lt;November 23&gt;hack!&lt;


Sorry, just a force of habit! I can see them running the table, easy.

But if Oklahoma and Miami are undefeated at the end of the season, won't that be the matchup?

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post #179 of 493
OSU loses at least one.

Miami and OU(sucks) will run the table and OU(sucks) wins their 2nd NC in 3 years, that's my prediction as of 10/20/02 - 12:34 a.m. Central. Bob Stoops is a football maniac and I pray the Dallas Cowboys give him $10 million/year to coach and kill two birds with one stone for groverat's happiness: improve the Cowboys and hurt the OU(sucks) football team.

Damn Bob Stoops And His Rugged Good Looks!

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post #180 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>OSU loses at least one.

Miami and OU(sucks) will run the table and OU(sucks) wins their 2nd NC in 3 years, that's my prediction as of 10/20/02 - 12:34 a.m. Central. Bob Stoops is a football maniac and I pray the Dallas Cowboys give him $10 million/year to coach and kill two birds with one stone for groverat's happiness: improve the Cowboys and hurt the OU(sucks) football team.

Damn Bob Stoops And His Rugged Good Looks!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

that was very sweet of you. hugs and kisses.

as much as stoops want's to eventually end up in the NFL, i doubt the cowboys will ever get the likes of a coach as bob as long as j.j. is owner/general manager. tampa gets gruden, we are stuck with campo. bummer.
post #181 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>Oh, I meant to give props to the Sooner fans in my post after the game. (I hope Groverat's head doesn't explode when he reads this.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

thanks jeffyboy. don't worry about the ratster, he's used to it by now. that was one of the loudest games i've been to in norman.




Seneca may still have shot at the heisman if he can rebound from this weekend and finish strong. that would show some real character. i hope he does.
post #182 of 493
If ND can bury Florida State after Miami lost but had the game handed to them by the FSU kicker, they have a very good argument for being in the national Championship game. Don't get me wrong, I hate ND, but, I'm also really tired fot this " If ya didn't have a good team last year you can't be in the national Championship this year " crap. ND played a brutal schedule this year, and haven't lost yet. Anyway, I think Virginia Tech will beat Miami. I don't know if Oklahoma Will lose. The Big 10 teams Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, they all have too many big games back to back at the end of the year to get into the BCS. They should do what the sleezy Florida teams do. Play your big games at the start fo the year. Then if you lose one, you still have time to put together 9 cheap wins against crap teams to pad your coaches and APS poll votes. I don't think OSU will go undefeated. but if they do and they don't get in, it's time to take the BIg 10 and Pac 10 back out of the BCS system. After all, better to have a perfect season and get voted number one, than have a perfect seaon and not get a chance to play. It's already happened to Pen State. How many years has the Big 10 and Pac 10 had one loss teams overlooked for one loss teams from other conferences? The voting prejudice is clear, even though it's not supported at all by what happens on the field.
post #183 of 493
We shall see we shall see.
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post #184 of 493
the first BCS rankings have been posted. enjoy.

1\tOklahoma\t
2\tMiami (Fla.)
3\tNotre Dame
4\tVirginia Tech
5\tGeorgia\t5
6\tOhio State
7\tWashington St.
8\tMichigan
9\tLSU
10\tTexas (sucks my nut sack)
11\tN.C. State
12\tFlorida State
13\tIowa
14\tUSC
15\tOregon

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post #185 of 493
The BCS licks sweaty nut sack.
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post #186 of 493
Ohio State, I think, will lose 2. Most likely Penn State and Michigan.

Notre Dame will have at least 2 losses by season's end, if not 3. If you think they'll beat FSU on the road you're stoned. They will also lose to USC and I would put money on Boston College if I were a betting man. Even with 3 losses they'll be in a BCS bowl because they bring such a ton of money with them.

V.Tech will lose to Miami at the very least. I might be tempted to pick Virginia over them.

Georgia is interesting because I think they have a good chance of winning out. Florida is their biggest stumbling block, and I'm sure Florida will be primed for this game like it's the national championship.

My guesses right now for undefeated teams at season's end are Miami, OU(sucks) and Georgia. Miami/OU Fiesta Bowl that Miami wins in a real battle.

UT will win out and I hope like hell they make a BCS bowl.
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post #187 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>...

V.Tech will lose to Miami at the very least. I might be tempted to pick Virginia over them.

...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Va Tech does know how to blow it. But UVA this year...? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
post #188 of 493
Virginia ain't too bad this year. They lose to a very-hot-at-the-time Colorado State and to Florida State (which is a tough game, don't believe the "FSU sucks now" hype).

If you can hold the two RBs back then VTech doesn't have an offense.

Check out this offense:

QB:
Randall - 81 attempts
RB:
Suggs - 126 carries
Jones - 106 carries

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post #189 of 493
THe OSU vs. Michigan game might be the Buckeye's national title game. I look at Penn State and don't think they are as tough as people make them out to be. I don't look for a stumble against PSU, but Iowa is a team you're sleeping on. They are still undefeated in the Big 10, so it could well come down to Ohio St. and Iowa for the Big 10 title. Believe it or not, that's actually the team I fear the most in OSU's road to the Fiesta Bowl. If they run the table, can they get in the Fiesta Bowl? Maybe.
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post #190 of 493
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Ohio State doesn't play Iowa.
VERY lucky scheduling quirk for both teams, I think.

Jeff

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post #191 of 493
Forget Iowa, this year, it's run the table or die. Oklahoma and one of Miami/Virginia tech are probably going to be undefeated . If ND runs the table they deserve consideration based on their strength of scedule. Penn State has lost two games, both very close, both with questionable officiating. I swear, in that Michigan game, the Ann Arbor ref who called the Penn reciever out of bounds was the only person in the stadium who saw anyone out of bounds. The replay shows not 1 but both feet in bounds, where was that man looking? The big 10 needs to clean up it's officiating now, You can say it all evens out, but it doesn't. The officiating favours Michigan every time.
I think Penn State is probably the toughest game Ohio State has left on their schedule. Minnehaha hasn't played anybody, and Michigan just isn't tough enough this year. If Ohio State beats Penn, it will be because of their kicking game. I can't wait for saturday.
post #192 of 493
You all underestimate the Hokies' defense. YOu cannot compare how Tech played agaisnt BC or Rutgers to how they will play against Miami or UVA. Tech has this terrible habbit of playing at or only slightly higher than the other team's ability. PLus, our defense has the great ability to force a lot of turnovers on the opposing offense, an ability that has won us many games. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE TECH.

Our offense isn't as good as it looks, agreed. We do rely WAY too much on suggs and jones... BUT, texas A&M, LSU, Marshall, none of them could keep them from running the ball into the endzone.

And I am sorry, UVA is OVERATED... The ACC sucks, and i mean completely sucks, this year. The only decent team is FSU, and they, no matter what anyone says, are not on top of their game. DONT EVER choose UVA over TECH. It just wont happen. You forget that TECH and UVA have a huge rivalry, and usually, TECH wants it more(due to in-state issues). (Sorry to keep editing) PLUS, the game is here at Lane stadium, UVA hasn't got a chance playing here in blacksburg.

And I think tech has a decent chance against Miami.

What I am worried about is how Notre Dame is still getting the silver platter handed to them time after time. When will our country get over that terrible school.

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post #193 of 493
What? No Canes fans? Wow, a lot of college kids rooting for the wrong school then.

First (?) to repeat & be undefeated baby, hehe
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post #194 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by chweave1:
[QB]


And I think tech has a decent chance against Miami.
QB]<hr></blockquote>

A decent chance of being crushed.
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post #195 of 493
Miami fans suck, most of them have never even seen the campus.

VTech loses to Miami, that's a guarantee. They have the weakest schedule in the top 10, very pathetic. You know your schedule is pansy when Texas freaking A&M is your 2nd toughest opponent. I don't know how you can bag on Virginia, their schedule is tougher than VTech's.

And how in God's name can you rag on the ACC when your squad is in the friggin' Big East? When West Virginia is #3 in your conference you know you're riding high. (Oh wait, they are tied for #3 with Pittsburgh! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> )

You'd better hope your Hokies aren't selected for a BCS bowl just to spare yourself the humiliation of watching them get absolutely demolished by a real football team.
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post #196 of 493
I'm just waiting for ND to lose a couple games and get in a national title game. Kinda like Nebraska, no?
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post #197 of 493
groverat, i used to respect you. Too bad.

You dismiss tech, but Tech has consistently been a ranked team in recent years, plus has gone to a bowl game for the past 10 years straight, one of which was the national championship, and you think we are nothing?

What about LSU, we played them, and beat them, now they are in the top ten. Does that mean that we are any less viable then they are?

And as for the ACC, how many teams in the top ten do they have? ONE, the big east has two in the top five. I am sorry, but youre completely wrong on this one. The ACC is not the power house its cracked up to be.

And who the hell has UVA beaten? Akron, WOW, Duke, WOW, Wake Forest, Barely, South Carolina, Good job wahoos. Give me a break. Besides, we will see how well they do once they play NC State, Penn State, and Us. To say that UVA has a better chance of winning than we do is to go too far. WAY TOO FAR, thats what probably is provoking me.

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post #198 of 493
Nebraska only lost one last year before the NC game; anyone who would've made it to that game would've gotten smoked.

I would've put Oregon in there, but the collapse of Nebraska is only really visible in hindsight.
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Is there any reason to believe Notre Dame will get special treatment by the BCS, other than the fact they play a tough schedule?

I know they got treated like kings in the old days, but this stuff is computerized now, right?

(Looking for an answer from someone other than MulderWoods...)

Jeff

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jeffyboy:

The computers don't choose it automatically, the bowls still pick who gets in. There is a system, obviously, and since ND isn't in a conference they get special considerations. They bring a huge audience with tons of money to spend so any bowl that likes money (that's why they're there) will select ND if the team is eligible (and it's not too obvious, backlash is a bad thing).


chweave:

VTech is a good football team, yeah, but they aren't BCS quality, in my opinion. They have a one-dimensional offense and I don't see them posing a threat to any BCS teams. Again, my opinion.

I realize VTech has gone to many bowls and has been ranked and I'm sure they will continue to be, but "The Untouchables" aren't going to win the Hokies any national championships, it doesn't work that way. They will lose to Miami, that's a guarantee. They very well might lose to Viriginia, because if you shut "The Untouchables" down they have nothing else to go with.

Beating LSU is a good thing, but it's not like they are playing quality opponents. They caught Florida at their lowest point (so far) this year.

Never claimed the ACC was a powerhouse.
Never claimed UVA was better than VTech; the "better team" doesn't always win.

[quote]To say that UVA has a better chance of winning than we do is to go too far.<hr></blockquote>

Who said that?
I said: I might be tempted to pick Virginia over them.

Don't put words in my mouth, you'll just make yourself angrier.

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