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post #241 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I like the idea of a playoff, but I'm afraid it could further muddle things some years: X team should have been in, Y team shouldn't, Z team beat W team but lost to V team...

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>


I agree some marginal teams will always be left out, just like in the NCAA hoops. But a playoff system would make sure all the great teams get a shot. There is no way that a national champ can be crowned with 3+ undefeated teams that never play eachother. No computer can decide who is number 1 in that situation nor can a person, that can only be decided on the field.

An 8 team playoff would work great, especially if you get rid of conference championship games, or make them the first round, and you would not have to lose the tradition either.

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post #242 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Random thought of the day:
Michael Vick, had he stayed in the NCAA, would be a 5th year senior right now.

Can you imagine a backfield of Mike Vick, Lee Suggs and Kevin Jones?

Sweet Jesus.</strong><hr></blockquote>

When I die that is what I imagine heaven will be like, and I'll have season tickets on the 50 yard line.
post #243 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by FlashGordon:
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No computer can decide who is number 1 in that situation nor can a person, that can only be decided on the field.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not to mention, the BSC computer SUCKS. Strenght of schedual is figured by the oponets record, not AP ranking and it still takes this supper computer a day to post results?

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post #244 of 493
Not even the refs could help Notre Dame this time.
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post #245 of 493
GO BC, BEAT ND!!!
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post #246 of 493
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Whoa, ND AND VT knocked off in a week I didn't think looked very interesting!
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OU had a scare, as well.

Of personal interest:
Seneca Wallace: 31 of 47, 425 yards, plus 68 rushing yards. It took a last minute drive to win the game, though. I was hoping for a blowout.
That freshman QB on Missou is gonna be good!

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post #247 of 493
I have never seen a more pathetic game than I did lat night. I am shocked that the Hokies couldn't pull off a win. I guess this goes to show that they really are a freshman team! Pittsburg had an excellent game. And just another thing, I hope you guys will take the big east more seriously now. Pittsburg is an excellent team, Rutgers isn't as bad as you think, and BC has an excellent ball team. Keep that in mind folks.
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post #248 of 493
And don't forget Georgia... THey were knocked off too. It seems it was the weekend of the upset.

Didn't GT beat someone too?

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post #249 of 493
Pittsburgh is not an excellent team.

3 straight wins against tough teams (2 on the road) for my Longhorns, a well deserved rest against Baylor next week.

GTech beat NCState, but it wouldn't matter, their schedule is too weak to get them into the BCS anyway.

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post #250 of 493
Wow, this is great, for Ohio State . We have Purdue, Illinois and Michigan on the schedule and every opportunity to win out. How about Miami, Oklahoma and Washinton State and Texas all lose, and Ohio State plays Iowa for the National Championship. I'd laugh for the rest of the year no matter which one of them won. Go BIG 10
post #251 of 493
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[quote]plays Iowa for the National Championship.<hr></blockquote>
Please God, no!

I've gotta admit, if Iowa and Iowa State played tomorrow I'd be VERY nervous!

Miami had another lackluster week, too. Think off all the teams that could finish the season with one loss!

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post #252 of 493
OSU loses one of their last 3.

Miami/OU Fiesta Bowl. OU wins their 2nd national championship in 3 years.
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post #253 of 493
No, even if miami does remain undefeated, the BCS will screw the big east once again.
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post #254 of 493
You underestimate the Buckeyes. They'll run the table.
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post #255 of 493
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What the hell was going on with Marshall Saturday?
I only caught this on Pardon the Interruption...
Apparently their QB(what's his name, the good one?)was having shin problems so 3 of his lineman were literally carrying him to the huddle after plays!

Toughness is one thing, but if he was that hurt it was just stupid!

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post #256 of 493
AKRON! GO ZIPS!
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post #257 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by chweave1:
<strong>No, even if miami does remain undefeated, the BCS will screw the big east once again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Big East operates the BCS computers. You think they wouldn't screw themselves. If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
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post #258 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by smithjoel:
<strong>The Big East operates the BCS computers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do they now?

Miami gets Fiesta if they win out. OU gets in the Fiesta if they win out.

If OSU gets in, even if they win out, heads will roll in the BCS world. There's now way the last two NCAA champions don't deserve the shot.
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post #259 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>OSU loses one of their last 3.

Miami/OU Fiesta Bowl. OU wins their 2nd national championship in 3 years. </strong><hr></blockquote>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA, your PB must be burning your legs because you typed some funny shit there, ahhahaha

Miami would cruch OU and anyone else they face, bet on it.
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post #260 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by smithjoel:
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The Big East operates the BCS computers. You think they wouldn't screw themselves. If you're not cheating, you're not trying.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If they were biased Miami wouldv'e played for the national championship 2 years ago, they didn't. So it doesn't matter who operates the computers, BCS sucks.

Instead of making a one game playoff they add an extra game to the season!?!? Make them play 10 games and let the top 4 play each other with the 2 winners go to a national championship. Anything is better then the BCS.
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post #261 of 493
I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my last post. I didn't mean the Big East was fixing things. But they could.

The BCS computers are administered by the Big East though. And Miami should be above Ohio.
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post #262 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA, your PB must be burning your legs because you typed some funny shit there, ahhahaha

Miami would cruch OU and anyone else they face, bet on it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you need to put the crack pipe down son. it's one thing to be a fan and all, but you completely ignor the obvious: miami has looked absolutely lackluster at best since their near miss at the hands of florida state. need i mention that rutgers dominated last weekends game for three quarters. rutgers. a nobody of nobodies. do you honestly think they can score 28 fourth quarter points on OUs defense. not a chance. struggling against weak opponents while not being able to stop the run, does not bode well for you. not to mention you still have tenn, pit and v-tech yet play. if you win out, then you deserve a fiesta bowl bid, but you better make sure you get there first.
post #263 of 493
OU may lose, but this team won't get crushed by anyone.
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post #264 of 493
So groverat, let me get this clear, if Ohio State wins out they shouldn't be in the national championship game because they didn't win the last couple of years? And next year it would be the same thing right. Becuase they didn't get to play last year, they shouldn't get to play next year either? Do you really think Oklahoma and Miami own some kind of right to play in the championship. You are some kind of weird dude. The fact is that if they all win out, Oklahoma, OSU and Miami all have equal rights to play in the championship game, and letting the voters express their prejudices and have them apply to who gets to play is just a farce. It's not Miami's fault that Florida State and Florida are having off years and don't count for much in SOS. Just as it's not Ohio States fault that Washington State only lost to Ohio State gaining them the bonus. But that rule was put in because of what happened to Miami. Believe me, not one Ohio State fan believes Ohio State would lose to either Miami or Oklahoma on a good day. And looking at the games so far this year, it's hard to understand how anyone could say they couldn't win. Both Miami and Oklahoma have had close calls to teams that aren't as good as OSU. Looking at the strength of schedule, it's more likely that Oklahoma or Miami will lose a game. But for all of them, if they win out, it's going to be unfair to somebody to be left out. NCAA football is basicly a crapshoot. Untill the AD's listen to the fans and end this BS, this is just going to go on and on. Every one of us wants our team to have a fair shot at the title be the reward for a good season. That's only natural.
post #265 of 493
you make some good points, but i think groverat is speaking in terms of the current rules of the bcs system. flawed as it may be, if ou, osu, and miami all win out, then there is no doubt that ou and miami should be the match up in the fiesta bowl.
post #266 of 493
Norfa:

[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>So groverat, let me get this clear, if Ohio State wins out they shouldn't be in the national championship game because they didn't win the last couple of years?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Give Miami 0 losses, OU 0 losses and OSU 0 losses then yes, Miami v. OU national championship game. There is no reason for Miami to *not* be in it, same for OU.

[quote]<strong>And next year it would be the same thing right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If the national championship winner goes undefeated, they should be granted automatic entry into the next national championship game if they go undefeated, yes.

[quote]<strong>Do you really think Oklahoma and Miami own some kind of right to play in the championship.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Miami does, yes, they are the defending national champions. I don't see how an undefeated defending national championship could be kept from defending their title. If OU and OSU win out then OU deserves it because they played a tougher schedule.

[quote]<strong>and letting the voters express their prejudices and have them apply to who gets to play is just a farce.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You think the current system is unbiased?
Pardon me... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

I'm all for the playoff system as well.
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post #267 of 493
So, bottom line, you don't care if the best two teams are in the national championship game. Things like "defending one's title" are more important?
post #268 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:
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you need to put the crack pipe down son. it's one thing to be a fan and all, but you completely ignor the obvious: miami has looked absolutely lackluster at best since their near miss at the hands of florida state. need i mention that rutgers dominated last weekends game for three quarters. rutgers. a nobody of nobodies. do you honestly think they can score 28 fourth quarter points on OUs defense. not a chance. struggling against weak opponents while not being able to stop the run, does not bode well for you. not to mention you still have tenn, pit and v-tech yet play. if you win out, then you deserve a fiesta bowl bid, but you better make sure you get there first.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I'll pass it to you so you can finish puffing after you put down the scissors. If you actaully watched the canes, all of their games you'd know they are bored. They've won 30 straight, they know they will win it all, have been #1 since last year in all the polls until last week. If Rutgers were really that dominating, howe'd they give up 20 something points in 1 quarter? Wow, that is dominating. The canes played half harted because they knew they'd win the game. When it got time to get serious they did, and in a big way. When we play OU, I bet we'll score a lot more then 28 points. They haven't struggled, they simply haven't played their game, because frankly, they haven't needed to.
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post #269 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>So, bottom line, you don't care if the best two teams are in the national championship game. Things like "defending one's title" are more important?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, bottom line I say that an undefeated defending national champion gets in the title game.

The BCS is a load of shit.

Your bias is a little too strong here.
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post #270 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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I'll pass it to you so you can finish puffing after you put down the scissors. If you actaully watched the canes, all of their games you'd know they are bored. They've won 30 straight, they know they will win it all, have been #1 since last year in all the polls until last week. If Rutgers were really that dominating, howe'd they give up 20 something points in 1 quarter? Wow, that is dominating. The canes played half harted because they knew they'd win the game. When it got time to get serious they did, and in a big way. When we play OU, I bet we'll score a lot more then 28 points. They haven't struggled, they simply haven't played their game, because frankly, they haven't needed to.</strong><hr></blockquote>


what a joke. you must be totally delusional. this is not last years canes and you have yet to experience a team that not only can shut you down defensively but can thump you in the ass offensively. so go ahead and keep up the fantasy, because if ou and miami meet in the fiesta bowl, it will all come crashing down very soon.
post #271 of 493
groverat just has something against Ohio State. He keeps saying they won't go undefeated yet who does he really see beating them? Michigan. No. Umm...who else is left on their schedule? Maurice Clarett has been hurt a lot and they are still without a loss. As far as Texas is concerned......they've been out of the National Championship hunt for a few weeks now... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #272 of 493
I have no particular dislike of OSU, I just don't happen to think they will win out and they are historically underachievers. I'm surprised they've gone undefeated thus far playing such unimpressive football. Their schedule only has one really good team on it and they luckily got them early in the season and at home.

I've only really watched two of their games, one of those was against Cincy and the other was them pasting Texas Tech.
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post #273 of 493
Your bias is getting ahead of you dude, Ohio State has played a tougher schedule than Miami according to the rankings. And if you don't like the way Ohio State wins, lets talk, Miami-Florida State. Miami deserved to lose that one. They were saved not by their own play but by a missed kick. I agree with you Ohio State could lose. It's more likely Miami will lose. Their schedule is tougher and they've come closer to losing before.
post #274 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>Your bias is getting ahead of you dude, Ohio State has played a tougher schedule than Miami according to the rankings. --- It's more likely Miami will lose. Their schedule is tougher and they've come closer to losing before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ohio State has a tougher schedule, but Miami has a tougher schedule.

That's some logic right there.
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post #275 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Ohio State has a tougher schedule, but Miami has a tougher schedule.

That's some logic right there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

i'd say that osu has had perhaps a tougher schedule up until this point in the season (debatable), but miami gets the nod due to their remaining games.
post #276 of 493
I know, scissors, I was just showing norfa the flaw in his thinking.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I know, scissors, I was just showing norfa the flaw in his thinking. </strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, i know. i thought your comment was funny. i was simply trying to explain it to him, not you. sorry for not being clearer.

post #278 of 493
Groverat, . there was no flaw in my thinking, you just want there to be one because there are so many flaws in yours. But enough bickering, I got my Ohio State mug ready for a brewski, my Ohio State sweatshirt is back from the laundry and my Ohio State baseball cap is lying on the sofa beside the channel changer. I hope Ohio State wins, and Michigan, Miami, Oklahoma, Texas to all lose, and if Miami wins, Washington State better win too. . put your game faces on...LETS WATCH SOME BALL!
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But bickering is one of the things that separates NCAA football from the other major team sports- it's athletics, it's politics and (in some places) it's a religion!

What could be better?



That Michigan/OSU game at the end of the month should be quite an affair-you know if the Buckeyes come in unbeaten it'll mean more to Michigan than any bowl game!

I'm betting on a big win for Miami Saturday. I tend to agree that they've been playing disinterested lately, the poll drop should be a good wake-up call.

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post #280 of 493
OU really seems to have trouble with those pesky unranked teams.

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Miami &gt; OSU
I still think OU &gt; OSU

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