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4 Big Ten teams in the Top 11. That's a strong top four in a conference!
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You guys know who's really good?
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post #403 of 493
Imagine if all 4 Big Ten teams in the top 11 win their bowl games! It would be total Big Ten Domination!
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Is there any chance Iowa could play Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl? I would love for that to happen. Hope Miami loses, but they wont.
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post #405 of 493
It's unlikely, TW. Iowa is 5th in the <a href="http://espn.go.com/abcsports/bcs/rankings_full/index.html" target="_blank">BCS Standings</a>.
post #406 of 493
No way all four Big Ten teams win their bowls. All will lose their games except for maybe Penn State.
post #407 of 493
Who has Iowa played?
Is 34-9 over Michigan really impressive enough to overcome a schedule that Kansas State might turn away as too easy?

Yeah yeah they're good, they score lots of points against Northwestern. Wahoo.

Third best team in the nation? No way in hell, friends, no way in hell.
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post #408 of 493
Right. If you could only support those claims you could be on TV with the rest of the Big Ten naysayers. Unfortuntely, K-State has a worse schedule than Iowa- being ranked 52nd to Iowa's 47th. (Michigan would be 2, by the way). And Iowa is #5 in the BCS- where rankings actually matter. Plus, not one poll ranks K-State higher than Iowa. Deservedly so. The Big Ten was pretty good this year- I'm just hoping Ohio State's defense holds up against Miami.
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Awww, man...

Right now CNNSI projects Iowa State for the Humanitarian Bowl!

For those of you who don't know, that's the much dreaded "Blue Field Bowl" mentioned earlier in this thread.

Frighteningly , Boise State has already accepted the other berth, making it a home game for them. Two weeks ago I would have scoffed, but that UConn game really shook my confidence.

I'm still not sold on the Big Ten. I'll be very interested to see who they all draw. If the lower teams get a bunch of games against the SEC or Big XII I guess they'll have their chance to prove us all wrong.

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Boise State is an OK team. On a neutral field they would not be worrisome but playing on their field in Idaho in December could be scary. Plus there is nothing to be gained in such a game, a win gets you no props and a loss is veiwed as an embarrassment. UCLA skipped a bowl last year rather than settle for the Humanitarian.

Michigan and Florida in Outback is pretty even. I favor PSU slightly over Arkansas or Auburn in Citrus which assumes that Georgia wins. Ohio State probably has a 1 in 3 chance of beating Miami in the Fiesta. Iowa we don't know their opponent yet. Bowl games are always kinda random though since teams haven't played a game in six weeks. Wisconsin will be gang raped if they play Kansas State as some have speculated in the Alamo. Wisconsin doesn't belong in a bowl. Purdue will have a fairly even game against a middling PAC 10 team in the Sun, maybe Oregon State? Minnesota will lose to Tennessee/Auburn/Arkansas in the Music City Bowl, Minnesota doesn't really belong in a bowl either.

The Big Ten really will have only one game where they are favored, PSU in the Citrus, and I think WI and MN are very probably losses. The Big Ten was actually fairly deep the last two years, it was the top of the conference that was horrible. This year the top four are solid but the other teams are weaker than normal. Obviously Ohio State beating Miami would be huge though not just as a national championship but in beating a team that schools from all conferences haven't been able to beat for almost three seasons now. If OSU loses though the Big Ten can still be successful if PSU, Michigan and Purdue win which are all fairly plausible.

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[quote]Unfortuntely, K-State has a worse schedule than Iowa- being ranked 52nd to Iowa's 47th. (Michigan would be 2, by the way).<hr></blockquote>

The K-State thing was a joke because K-State always has a weak schedule. Wise up, Neidermeyer.

I notice throughout your post that you never actually address the fact that they had a pathetically weak schedule.

They are ranked #5 in the BCS because they have 1 loss and the human polls love them (#3 in AP & Coaches, but only #5 in BCS, hmmm).

I am definitely a Big Televen detractor and Iowa will be "exposed". I don't know who they will match up with in the BCS but chances are they get rolled, I'll make a prediction when I see their opponent.
PSU and Michigan will probably be the only bowl wins the Big Televen gets this year.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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The K-State thing was a joke because K-State always has a weak schedule. Wise up, Neidermeyer.

I notice throughout your post that you never actually address the fact that they had a pathetically weak schedule.

They are ranked #5 in the BCS because they have 1 loss and the human polls love them (#3 in AP & Coaches, but only #5 in BCS, hmmm).

I am definitely a Big Televen detractor and Iowa will be "exposed". I don't know who they will match up with in the BCS but chances are they get rolled, I'll make a prediction when I see their opponent.
PSU and Michigan will probably be the only bowl wins the Big Televen gets this year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, Grover, we can't all be playing North Texas, Baylor, and Houston. Some teams just aren't three deep with all-american recruits like Texas. Too bad all those hot shit recruits still can't buy a win against Oklahoma.

Yes, Iowa's schedule is a bit weak, but this team is for real. We have one of the best quarterbacks and two of the best lines in the country. No one can run against us. Once we started playing man on pass defense, no team has even been close to us (unlike Ohio State).
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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The K-State thing was a joke because K-State always has a weak schedule. Wise up, Neidermeyer.

I notice throughout your post that you never actually address the fact that they had a pathetically weak schedule.

They are ranked #5 in the BCS because they have 1 loss and the human polls love them (#3 in AP & Coaches, but only #5 in BCS, hmmm).

I am definitely a Big Televen detractor and Iowa will be "exposed". I don't know who they will match up with in the BCS but chances are they get rolled, I'll make a prediction when I see their opponent.
PSU and Michigan will probably be the only bowl wins the Big Televen gets this year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Cool. But I don't see how stating that Iowa is #47 in terms of strength of schedule can come across as never addressing the "fact" that they have a weak schedule. Naturally, there are only about 100 teams. If you want to talk about weak schedules, how about Miami at #30- yet you don't see any drop-off from the polls and to the BCS.
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What are the chances UCLA wins?
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[quote]Originally posted by Simple Ranger:
<strong>Sorry, Grover, we can't all be playing North Texas, Baylor, and Houston.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Schedule smack from an Iowa fan?

North Texas, lame as it is, had a pretty good defense (Top 10 nationally) and won their DivII conference. Can the same be said for Miami (Ohio) and Akron?

47th toughest schedule in the nation. Sad.

[quote]<strong>Some teams just aren't three deep with all-american recruits like Texas. Too bad all those hot shit recruits still can't buy a win against Oklahoma.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We do all right against Iowa State... yourself?

[quote]<strong>We have one of the best quarterbacks and two of the best lines in the country. </strong><hr></blockquote>

One of the best quarterbacks in the country if the list is 15-20 guys long.

Easy for your squad to look good playing MAC powerhouses.

Make sure an check back in after the bowls.
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post #416 of 493
Miami Ohio is appreciably better than North Texas. Not that that really matters since either ought to be beaten by a top 10 team but none the less they are better. Akron blows, North Texas would probably beat them. In general the MAC is superior to the Sun Belt by a decent margin, Sun Belt is far and away the weakest Divison 1A conference. Not that anyone really cares, but I just thought I would say that.

I think Iowa is an excellent team, one of the top 5 in america. Iowa State losing to Iowa is just one of those rivalry game things. Rivalry games tend to be far more random. I'm not going to hold losing to their in state rival against them too harshly, it happens. Likewise I wouldn't hold it against good Big 12 teams like Texas when they lose to a 5 loss Texas Tech team. Likewise for Oklahoma which lost, for the second year in a row, to a 5 loss Oklahoma State team that lost on their home field to UCLA and lost their season opener to Louisiana Tech. :eek: Or a Colorado team that won their division of the Big 12 but lost for the second year in a row (maybe even 3 or 4 years in a row?) to a decent but not great Colorado State team that just got beat on their home field this weekend by UNLV. :eek: Good teams tend to lose a lot more often to worse teams when those worse teams happen to be in the same state.

There are many many schools that should be ashamed of their non-conference schedules. With the requirement of the BCS to win 9 games and everyone's desire to be national champions it is easy to see why there are relatively few tough non-conference games scheduled these days. A shame for football fans.
post #417 of 493
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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One of the best quarterbacks in the country if the list is 15-20 guys long.

Easy for your squad to look good playing MAC powerhouses.

Make sure an check back in after the bowls. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Who has the best quarterback rating in the nation? Brad Banks. Just think how good he would be with an all-pro daddy.

We looked better in the Big 10 than we did in the preseason. You obviously haven't seen Iowa play this year.

Believe me, I'll be back after the bowls. I won't even guarantee a win. I will guarentee that we will be competitive and show that we are indeed at least a top five team.

Plus, who else thinks that even Northwestern would beat Baylor 50-0? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

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post #418 of 493
Northwestern might score 50 on Baylor but their defense is so bad they could play the Montana School for the Blind and they still wouldn't be able to shut them out.
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I heard about the Montana School for the Deaf and Blind. It seems they have a good <a href="http://www.sdb.state.mt.us/" target="_blank">basketball team</a> this year. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Simple:

[quote]Who has the best quarterback rating in the nation? Brad Banks.<hr></blockquote>

Brad Banks does not lead the nation in <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=2&year=2002&g roup=80" target="_blank">quarterback rating</a>.
I guess Ryan Dinwiddie is some kind of football God, he's got 40 points on Banks.
Then at 3rd under Banks, Brian Jones from Toledo.

That's some elite company right there.

Banks is Top 10 maybe. Top 15 most likely.

[quote]Just think how good he would be with an all-pro daddy.<hr></blockquote>

Is that some kind of Chris Simms dig? If so I don't get it, could you explain?

[quote]You obviously haven't seen Iowa play this year.<hr></blockquote>

Amazing that games against Purdue (what, your 3rd toughest opponent on the year?) aren't televised.
I watched the Michigan ass-kicking, you know the one that had everyone falling all over themselves talking about how great Iowa is. They don't carry Iowa games in my region usually (derned ABC) because they aren't a powerhouse.

I'd take that TE Dallas Clarke in a heartbeat, he's got skills.

I don't see the big deal. I don't know what would be wrong about leaving Iowa out of the BCS.
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post #421 of 493
What I want to know is what the **** Florida State is doing in the BCS?
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Technically Brad Banks is first in passing efficiency as Dinwiddie must not have had enough games or attempts or something to qualify. The official stats can be found here:

<a href="http://www.ncaa.org/stats/division1%20football/national%20rankings/IA_playerpasseff.html" target="_blank">http://www.ncaa.org/stats/division1%20football/national%20rankings/IA_playerpasseff.html</a>

Passing efficiency is the best stat for QBs but I agree with groverat's implied point that it might be that reliable in determining who the best QBs are.

Carson Palmer and Jason Gesser might be better than Banks. Pickett? Naw.

No one in the Big 12 is better (Hodge/Hybl/Simms/Lord). Kingsbury is a systemized stat monkey and Wallace throws way too many picks.

Byron Leftwich might be better, I never watch Marshall so that is hard to say.

No one in the Big East is better. Dorsey is way overrated simply because the rest of the team is stacked. Randall Fitzgerald and St. Pierre all suck.

Zack Mills might be comparable though I think that is a stretch.

I don't believe it for a second but some people might say Philip Rivers. McBrien is nothing special and Rix blows.

David Greene is a nice QB when his idiotic coach isnt pulling him so that Shockley can run around and then throw INTs. Grossman has been entirely mediocre this year. Clausen was good last year but has been hurt this year.

I can buy Palmer, Gesser, and Leftwich as better than Banks. Greene and Mills close behind but I think that about covers it. Just my opinion of course, I'm sure others have different opinions which are equally if not more valid than mine.

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poor bama...
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I'm not sure that Bob Stoops would agree with that.
post #425 of 493
I heard that the so-called "big east" rule, something about not being eligible for a BCS bowl unless you've been in the top 15 or 20 or something for a certain amount of weeks, will be applied to the ACC because of Florida State this year.
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Franny screwed his players over, sad sad. Talked them into staying in the sinking ship all while preparing his life boat. Now he won't even face them to tell them he's stabbed them in the back.

Perfect fit for Aggy.

I sure hope he took some alchemy classes at 'Bama, because he's got a huge pile of shit to turn into gold before the potbangers start calling for his head. How much more rosy is a crap team losing its few good players than a legendary program facing the end of its probation? Maybe 'Bama will get slapped some more, but I don't see the use.
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Hokie, the Big East rule says that if a conference's champions over a four year span have a mean BCS ranking of 12 or lower, or perhaps lower than 12, then the BCS may reconsider their inclusion as a BCS conference with an automatic bid. Not sure what the ACC's average is but since FSU was #1 in 99 in the BCS and #2 in 00 I kind of doubt that the four year average could be below 12. Beyond that, they have no intention of ever actually kicked out a conference. ACC still gets at least decent TV ratings which is what really matters, not how good the teams are. Unless we go to superconferences that Big East rule will never be invoked.

Alabama has a new NCAA investigation open and an old one that has been reopened. Rumor is that the facts are making it very hard for the NCAA to do anything other than give them the Mustang treatment for one year although many people think they will never use the Death Penalty again. But it is gonna get worse before it gets better for them regardless, they will definitely get an extension onto that bowl ban and more scholarship cuts. The scholarship cuts really hurt a program. I don't blame Franchione for leaving under the circumstances. However if it true that he won't be going back to address his team then he has no balls and deserves to be anally ravaged by Bevo.
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Florida State does NOT belong in any BCS game!
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I agree, that's beyond sad.

I think maybe 5 or 6 teams in the BigXII could've won the ACC this year.
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post #430 of 493
Or the Big Televen

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Or 3 or 4 Big Televen teams.
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Hey CoD, thanks for the clarification. I really am not proficient on BCS rules... (as you probably figured out)
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post #433 of 493
Well, it's all over but the shoutin'.

Fiesta: Miami - Ohio State
Rose: WSU - Iowa
Orange: OU - FSU
Sugar: Georgia - USC

Two Big 10/1, two Pac 10, 1 BigXII, 1 SEC. The BCS doesn't work.

The Orange is supposed to take Iowa instead of OU (which puts OU in the Rose), but I can't imagine there not being a Big 10/1 team in the Rose.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Well, it's all over but the shoutin'.

Fiesta: Miami - Ohio State
Rose: WSU - Iowa
Orange: OU - FSU
Sugar: Georgia - USC
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't say it's bad news, but I was hoping against hope to see an Iowa-Ohio State game. Just because it would be a good game, and it would settle a few questions.

Ah well. It'll be something for people here to argue over their beers for the next few decades.
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post #435 of 493
Oklahoma being in the Rose Bowl when Iowa is available and deserving is just wrong. I don't even care about Iowa but as a Big Ten fan I want to vomit. Every single year so far the BCS has ****ed something up and gotten away with it.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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The Orange is supposed to take Iowa instead of OU (which puts OU in the Rose), but I can't imagine there not being a Big 10/1 team in the Rose.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The real pairings...

Fiesta: Miami - Ohio State
Rose: WSU - OU
Orange: Iowa - USC
Sugar: Georgia - FSU
post #437 of 493
Iowa...you guys just got jobbed. USC is playing perhaps the best football in the country. Being a Univ of Washington fan I can attest to how good USC's Defense is and the offense ain't too shabby. I think Iowa had a much better chance of beating the Washington State Coogers. It will be a good game though...I think this pairs up the two best teams in each conference. No disrespect to OSU but they don't really have an offense that stands out.

The poor Coogers now how to play Oklahoma. One of the Best Defenses out there. Those poor hicks.

FSU? WTF. I hope Georgia stomps them into the ground.

Miami vs OSU...y'all are about to see what speed does. Miami by 21 at least. OSU's Defense is tough but NOBODY in the Big10 has anywhere near the total Team Speed of Miami.
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post #438 of 493
We shall see.
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What's funny about his is that the Orange Bowl will be the real Rose Bowl, with Pac-10 and Big 10 champions. Since the Rose Bowl gets better ratings than the other bowls, it will be interesting to see if the ratings go to the Orange. Will anybody in the country be watching Washingto St. - Oklahoma? Who cares about that game?
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[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>Will anybody in the country be watching Washingto St. - Oklahoma? Who cares about that game?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i will. would have prefered a game against miami, but oh well.

[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>Miami vs OSU...y'all are about to see what speed does. Miami by 21 at least. OSU's Defense is tough but NOBODY in the Big10 has anywhere near the total Team Speed of Miami.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think osu has a very good chance of beating miami. the canes have looked very suspect when playing teams with halfway decent defenses, where osu's will be by far the best they will haved faced. the real question is wheather the buckeye "o" can take advantage of miami's mediocre "d". if they can put points on the board, they will win. it been said before, but "great defenses win championships".
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