Microsoft paying Nokia billions to adopt Windows Phone platform - Page 2

It is a shotgun wedding between two have beens. Nokia have been dominating the market like Motorolad did before them. Microsoft have dominated " IT-mindshare" like IBM before. But now we have Apple and Google as the big guys, In a way it makes sense, in that way that MS really need to get out WP7 on as many phones as possible and Nokia need a modern OS.

I can imagine that there are valid reason to prefer one of the iPhone/Andoid/RIM over the other. However, coming late to the smartphone market MS_Nokia have to be better in some regard than any of these three to make sense of buying such a phone. Better integration in Office, Active directory or X-box something??

Have WP7 not gained tracktion by next year they can relegate it to handheld inventry devises in supermarket and other windows based buiissness application. Like Psion did when the pressure from the very succsessful Palm Pilot became to great.

There is also an other problem in the marrige. If WP7 fails it will hurt Nokia more than it does MS, and WP7 is in MS lap not Nokias...

This is the same mistake Palm made years ago. It toss out Palm OS when their business was declining. Adding Windows Mobile didn't do anything for them. Even LG, MS's other partner, has said WP7 is boring.

Why can't companies see that MS has a decade of fail products? Spot Watches? UMPC ? IF it wasn't for its monoploy it would have fold it by now.


No. They are starting from zero. Its not like all the existing Symbian HW will magically switch to WP7.

You will respect my authoritay

Oh! So THATS why investors have been so reassured...

And Yahoo is far ahead, why bother creating Google.
The PS3 and Wii are so far ahead, why bother creating XBox.
GM is so far ahead, why bother trying if you are Toyota.

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There's a huge difference. Nokia is effectively saying that their existing platform, and the platform under development is being terminated. Stop buying our phones and wait until the end of the year (if that). Also, who knows if WP7 will be prime-time ready by then.

Apple on the other hand didn't tell people to stop buying Macs when Jobs returned. Instead, you could go and buy new Macs and they'd run OS X when it came out. Apple released a transition OS, OS 9, that allowed developers to produce apps for the old platform that would continue to run on the new platform and even old software could run in classic mode on OS X. You could even dual-boot OS 9 / OS X. There was no reason to wait or reason to abandon development. There was no feeling of having worked on something that Apple was abandoning.

If you were considering a switch from Nokia to Android or iPhone, the choice is clear, unless you're willing to wait about a year *and* like what you see in WP7 today. Of course if you like what you see in WP7 today, go ahead and buy a WP7 from someone else. There's no need to wait.


No, their best move would've been executed before 2006. What they're doing now is correcting a series of mistakes and bad decisions. Nokia could have seen the light and struck this deal with Microsoft a long time ago and been the first to market with WP7. Nokia could have transitioned to WP7 by first releasing a WP7 phone and then announcing the full transition.

Micro$oft is perhaps the only 1 that "could" get into the phone os war between Apple & Google.. Nokia is feeling the heat it's OS was fine until iPhone came along they are jumping the wagon late in the game, as always Balmer is exploiting Nokia's fear & it's own.. Nokia is a very recognized brand and having WP7 on it will boost M$ share and that's precisely what matter the most. HP/Palm WebOS looks good too, but it's proprietary, they are only using it for there own devices, so i'm not sure if that's going to pick up..

M$ has the muscle to make deals with various phone vendors and position themselves for a good fight..

my 2 cents!!!

It's certainly debatable whether Nokia would ultimately come close to failing outright (a la Palm), but you may have touched on the real problem - time. Neither of these companies alone appear to have approached their smartphone issues with very much urgency. Given Elop's warning that the smartphone business is burning up around them, can Microsoft and Nokia accelerate their cooperation to hyperspeed? Sometimes the best technical brilliance can't overcome the cultural gulf between two organizations that aren't accustomed to cooperating with anyone outside their own walls. Bureaucratic infighting and inertia may doom their efforts.

Seamless how?

I bought my iPhone and its just worked, I bought my WP7 HTC and it also just worked. There wastlnt any difference in my experiance. So what is this seamless experience people talk about? Unless your iPhone had issues and you had a seamless support experience, but id rather just not need any support experience.

Don't want to cross the line the moderators are drawing on this one, but do you have any dots to connect those two sentences besides some kind of generalized hostility to the financial markets?

Depends on the person...but yeah, I've hired folks without the immediate skills required. Good coders are good coders.


True, on the other hand it seems like a lot are actually getting the axe. The failure of Nokia is IMHO not from the hardware perspective. That leaves management and software.

Looks like a few management types left too.


Microsoft needs a few of those engineers as they have a lot of their own.

Not every developer is anti-MS.

Sheesh, You're the moderator. Do what you want, man.

It actually grows my respect for Nokia.

I'd be seriously pissed off if Nokia sold me latest and greatest Symbian smartphone today, just to tell me tomorrow they are ditching Symbian for something else. I am really happy they are letting their users know what is going to happen in a year-or-so time.

Sure their current stock sales will take a dip (and eventually be sold for a bargain price) but eventually I think fair treatment of their customers will pay back.

That's funny.

the thing is, there's zero worthwhile smartphone in the nokia line up for people to buy.
they announce things early to stop people from buying iPhone, WebOS, Android etc...

Basically they are saying, hey look we have something cool in the future, now go to sleep and wake up in a few years.
Same reason why Samsung, HP, Motorola show off their phone/ tablet months before anyone can actually buy one.

Because there are still a lot of people who want to buy a phone based on brand, rather than OS or features (and speaking of features, that category is really easy to stretch anyway).

I know people who want Nokia phone just because it is Nokia, without even knowing what software runs inside.

Likewise, I know a few with iPhone having no idea what software it runs. It's an iPhone and it is cool; that is all they need to know.

Prob'bly because it didn't happen..?

Quite agree with you, except that X360 was created before PS3

But you could add something like "Nokia and Blackberry are so far ahead, why creating iPhone"?

Apple gets paid when people use its mobile OS.

Google gives their mobile OS away for free.

Microsoft pays people to use its mobile OS.

Nice one All the headlines should have read, Microsoft buys Nokia.

Yeah, the investors should be reassured, Nokia has just been bought over by Microsoft.

Instead of a big sinking ship they jumped over to a very, very big sinking ship.

How pathetic.