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A third major publication reported on Monday that Apple is working on a new, smaller, cheaper iPhone set for release this year, as the handset maker continues to steal thunder from the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona -- a show it is not even attending.

The U.K.'s Daily Mail reported on Monday that Apple is working on a "smaller version of the iPhone 4" which will be released separately from the iPhone 5 this summer. The story, citing anonymous sources close to the company, follows similar reports last week from Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal.

The latest report restated much of what had been revealed in previous stories, including the fact that Apple apparently intends to sell the device at a low $200 price point without a contract or carrier subsidy. That would be a major discount from the current iPhone, which has an average selling price of $625.

"Phone users on tighter budgets have been shunning the pricey iPhones in favour of less expensive models which have Google's popular Android software," the report said. "Apple will now hope to lure away customers from the likes of Nokia."

As in previous filings, an anonymous tipster claims to have seen the prototype, said to be about a third smaller than the iPhone 4. The person reportedly said that the early version of the device had no "home" button, and cautioned that the device could be delayed or scrapped.

The publication also reaffirmed that Apple has also worked on new iPhone software and hardware that would let customers choose a network directly from their handset, bypassing the carriers even more.

The flood of information and rumors about Apple's next iPhone arrived just as the Mobile World Congress got underway in Barcelona, Spain. Though Apple is not participating in the annual mobile device event, the company has once again stolen the spotlight, as noted by The Wall Street Journal.

"The long shadow cast over Barcelona comes from the company not exhibiting there," Altimeter Group analyst Michael Gartenberg wrote on Twitter. "That's now become common."

In 2009, the iPhone dominated the talk of the Mobile World Congress as the iPhone continued to gain steam. And last year again, Apple was in the spotlight even as competitors attempted to hype their own would-be "iPhone killers."
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A third major publication reported on Monday that Apple is working on a new, smaller, cheaper iPhone set for release this year, as the handset maker continues to steal thunder from the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona -- a show it is not even attending.

The U.K.'s Daily Mail reported on Monday that Apple is working on a "smaller version of the iPhone 4" which will be released separately from the iPhone 5 this summer. The report, citing anonymous sources close to the company, follows similar reports last week from Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal.

The report restated much of what had been revealed in previous reports, including the fact that Apple apparently intends to sell the device at a low $200 price point without a contract or carrier subsidy. That would be a major discount from the current iPhone, which has an average selling price of $625.

"Phone users on tighter budgets have been shunning the pricey iPhones in favour of less expensive models which have Google's popular Android software," the report said. "Apple will now hope to lure away customers from the likes of Nokia."

As in previous reports, an anonymous tipster claims to have seen the prototype, said to be about a third smaller than the iPhone 4. The person reportedly said that the early version of the device had no "home" button, and cautioned that the device could be delayed or scrapped.

The report also reaffirmed that Apple has also worked on new iPhone software and hardware that would let customers choose a network directly from their handset, bypassing the carriers even more.

The flood of information and rumors about Apple's next iPhone arrived just as the Mobile World Congress got underway in Barcelona, Spain. Though Apple is not participating in the annual mobile device event, the company has once again stolen the spotlight, as noted by The Wall Street Journal.

"The long shadow cast over Barcelona comes from the company not exhibiting there," Altimeter Group analyst Michael Gartenberg wrote on Twitter. "That's now become common."

In 2009, the iPhone dominated the talk of the Mobile World Congress as the iPhone continued to gain steam. And last year again, Apple was in the spotlight even as competitors attempted to hype their own would-be "iPhone killers."
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Is there some "Thunder" meter we can view to see if your BS is true?

Maybe its web based, and hopefully not written in Flash so you can view it on your iPhone/iPad.
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A smaller iPhone in terms of screen size makes no sense. I've played with some handsets running Android that have smaller screens and they are shite.

I could see Apple releasing a cheaper iPhone using previous years tech with less ram etc, that would sell well..... Oh wait, Apple already does that with the iPhone 3GS!

Maybe I will be proved wrong, but Steve Job's was clear on the fact that Tablets need a 10" or higher screen, I'm pretty sure they researched the size of an optimal phone screen and settled on what we use today.

Doesn't make sense, at least not to me.
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is there some "thunder" meter we can view to see if your bs is true?

Maybe its web based, and hopefully not written in flash so you can view it on your iphone/ipad.

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post #6 of 58
another lame and click baiting article.

cause the clicks pay the bills at AI.


*yawn*


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Is there some "Thunder" meter we can view to see if your BS is true?

Maybe its web based, and hopefully not written in Flash so you can view it on your iPhone/iPad.

I would have to agree. I would venture to say that this article was written in response to the overwhelming presence of Android at MWC. From the pictures I've seen from various tech blogs, there's a very healthy turn-out and it seems many of them are excited by the tech being offered, especially the tablets.

Pricing aside, of course.
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post #8 of 58
I think there's enough thunder at MWC that someone stealing a bit won't make much difference.
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A smaller iPhone in terms of screen size makes no sense. I've played with some handsets running Android that have smaller screens and they are shite.

I could see Apple releasing a cheaper iPhone using previous years tech with less ram etc, that would sell well..... Oh wait, Apple already does that with the iPhone 3GS!

Maybe I will be proved wrong, but Steve Job's was clear on the fact that Tablets need a 10" or higher screen, I'm pretty sure they researched the size of an optimal phone screen and settled on what we use today.

Doesn't make sense, at least not to me.

I don't think the screen size will be changed. but a no retina display plus removal of gyroscopes and GPS as well as no wifi won't need such a big battery anymore and everything together leaves room to miniaturize.

Here what it may look like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klOptnFNgQo
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I'm pretty sure they researched the size of an optimal phone screen and settled on what we use today.

They could keep screen size the same and still make a phone 1/3 smaller just by eliminating the home button, and shrinking top and bottom bezels.
But I wonder then how they would avoid cannibalizing sales of the bigger iPhone.
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Ahh the Apple rumor mill. Always working at its best when needed. How to steal the thunder on a show that you are not even participating...

I bet you the other manufactorers are wetting their pants as we speak drowning their fears with lotsa Cava.
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I don't think the screen size will be changed. but a no retina display plus removal of gyroscopes and GPS as well as no wifi won't need such a big battery anymore and everything together leaves room to miniaturize.

I think it does not make sense to remove anything that iPod Touch already has (that sells for $200 without contract So, Retina, gyroscope, wifi will be there for sure. Maybe no GPS and mediocre cameras.
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Wouldn't this fall into the same territory that we all criticize Android for, namely fragmentation of app development? Developers would need to consider 3 different screen sizes when they develop their apps. Unless, instead of a 2x button, there's a 0.5x one.
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They cant remove wifi... and GPS? My 3GS use cell towers to compute its location, it doesnt have a GPS.
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What will happen with the iPhone 4 then if this comes nano-phone comes out? The nano-phone will be less featured, an iPhone 5 will have more features. I think Apple's strategy of using last year's model as a low-end or entry level phone isn't a bad one. My co-worker bought a 3GS when the 4 came out because it was so much cheaper and readily available.
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They cant remove wifi... and GPS? My 3GS use cell towers to compute its location, it doesnt have a GPS.

3G doesn't have a GPS chip, but I believe the 3GS does.
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They cant remove wifi... and GPS? My 3GS use cell towers to compute its location, it doesnt have a GPS.

It does.
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3G doesn't have a GPS chip, but I believe the 3GS does.

It does.
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Here at MWC everybody is talking about the WSJ scoop and Appleinsider article

/sarcasm off
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3G doesn't have a GPS chip, but I believe the 3GS does.

3G also does
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I think it does not make sense to remove anything that iPod Touch already has (that sells for $200 without contract So, Retina, gyroscope, wifi will be there for sure. Maybe no GPS and mediocre cameras.

The iPod Touch is a great device, but it lacks a callular radio. And as lovely as the retina display is, most people won't really need it. It's beautiful but luxury.. And besides, if you want to make something so incredibly dens packed as the iPhone a little smaller, you have to make cuts.
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Here at MWC everybody is talking about the WSJ scoop and Appleinsider article

/sarcasm off


Correct, I have seen a single article on this and I've been following MWC since last night. Absolute and utter balls, as usual from AI.
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A third major publication reported on Monday that Apple is working on a new, smaller, cheaper iPhone set for release this year, as the handset maker continues to steal thunder from the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona -- a show it is not even attending.

The U.K.'s Daily Mail reported on Monday that Apple is working on a "smaller version of the iPhone 4" which will be released separately from the iPhone 5 this summer. The story, citing anonymous sources close to the company, follows similar reports last week from Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal.

The third major publication, i.e., the U.K.'S Daily Mail article was written by a staff reporter who had simply picked up the content from the previously published Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal article.

It is unfortunate that the media is not required to formally reference their sources when they copy/paste materials from another publication. Or at least signify that their news is a 'REPRINT'.
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Yeah, like the general concensus says, the iPhone can easily get smaller by removing some of the border space and the home button. Although it seems like a scam I can see the "iPhone nano" being very marketable for kids, teens and those who want to try a smart phone but don't want to dish out $600+ for something they may feel overwhelmed using. There is a market for everything and Apple knows how to use it.
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The Daily Mail is NOT a third 'source'. It's an aggregator like every other tabloid. They have no real reporters.
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Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
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The iPod Touch is a great device, but it lacks a callular radio. And as lovely as the retina display is, most people won't really need it. It's beautiful but luxury.. And besides, if you want to make something so incredibly dens packed as the iPhone a little smaller, you have to make cuts.

It's not just luxury. After using the Retina display for browsing on iPod Touch 4 it is impossible to get back to the previous version.
Apple will never eliminate retina displays and gyroscope for the sake of defragmentation. Instead they will likely phase out the smaller resolution devices this June.
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Wouldn't this fall into the same territory that we all criticize Android for, namely fragmentation of app development? Developers would need to consider 3 different screen sizes when they develop their apps. Unless, instead of a 2x button, there's a 0.5x one.

Exactly. But for some, just because it's Apple doing it, it's perfectly fine. There's no such thing as being a hypocrite.

Personally, I think Apple offering the model two revisions ago at a much reduced price is the better way to go.
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post #29 of 58
Something like this maybe:

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Maybe this "nano" is not a phone, but a full featured Apple Remote that will work with a redesigned Apple TV.
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a smaller screen is gonna make emailing, surfing the web, twitter, facebook etc too difficult to use - does not make sense to me at all! All BS to me
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Something like this maybe:


But what happens to the iconic Home button on the concept? Will the area just under the screen be capacitive touch, a la the HP Pre?
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Something like this maybe:


That's an iPhone, squashed, not an iPhone nano.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
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Maybe this "nano" is not a phone, but a full featured Apple Remote that will work with a redesigned Apple TV.

No way.
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post #35 of 58
"They want to kill our phone. We won't let them".

Think I read these words somewhere.

Thats exactly why Apple has to do this. And it is more important on the phone than on the iPad.
Apple wants so bad to give us the very best phone experience. But it will naturally cost a little bit more than the other guys. (You've read before how a BMW will cost more than a Chevy).
But Android and even Nokia/Microsoft and all the others will claim that their phone is at least as good for a smaller price.
Apple has to watch their backs against these guys. They have to offer something that will also undercut them.
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Something like this maybe:

Let's hope for something like this (iPhone Nano and iPhone 5 )
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But what happens to the iconic Home button on the concept? Will the area just under the screen be capacitive touch, a la the HP Pre?

I'm not buying into the nano rumors, but, in the rendering referred to the home button functions would be replaced by one of the other hardware buttons (e.g., lock) and/or gestures.
post #38 of 58
Where are the hordes of case protectors, dash mounts, belt clips and other swag the must be manufactured before a new product spews out? Most every release had something else in the pipelines to support it. Where is the research AI could do to prove or dispel their claims or regurgitations of others claims?

We could just as easily claim Cupertino has Einsteins brain in a jar in a secret lab. And it would be as accurate as this rumor mill.

Facts on the ground, or don't waste the electrons.
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No way.

Better chance to be true than a smaller screened phone though.
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

I don't think the screen size will be changed. but a no retina display plus removal of gyroscopes and GPS as well as no wifi won't need such a big battery anymore and everything together leaves room to miniaturize.

Here what it may look like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klOptnFNgQo

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They could keep screen size the same and still make a phone 1/3 smaller just by eliminating the home button, and shrinking top and bottom bezels.
But I wonder then how they would avoid cannibalizing sales of the bigger iPhone.

If you keep the same screen size, there is no way to reach an unsubsidized price of $200. Even if you don't use a Retina display. Shrinking the bezel to make the phone smaller will only do that, make the phone smaller. It won't shave $400+ off the price. The cheapest iPod touch is $230. Even the cheapest iPod nano with it's tiny display is $150. There is simply no way Apple is making an iPhone as we know it for $200.

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a smaller screen is gonna make emailing, surfing the web, twitter, facebook etc too difficult to use - does not make sense to me at all! All BS to me

You are correct. So I see only two possibilities for where these rumors are coming from (if they are based in any reality):

1. Apple is making a non-smart "feature phone". Basically, take the screen-size from the previous generation iPod nano (because the current gen sucks), give it all the previous gen nano functions (again, because the current gen sucks) and make it a phone.

2. Note that the rumor says it will be a separate release from the iPhone 5. So could it be that the release time coincides with the annual iPod refresh...ie, it's not a new phone, it's a new iPod. Apple will finally retire the iPod classic hard drive based iPod. But they need to replace it with a high-capacity flash iPod. They do that by giving it a smaller, lower-resolution screen than the touch has. A much simplified interface, no web browser/email, and no 3rd party apps. So you can use a lower powered processor, less RAM, smaller battery, no wi-fi, no camera (but would be nice to keep the camera). Use the savings from all that stuff to max out the flash storage capacity.

If there is any basis in fact for these rumors, my money is on #2.
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