Rumor: Initial sales of Apple's Verizon iPhone 4 disappoint - Page 3

Seriously? You are showing this as an example of fragmentation? Seriously?

The only thing Apple has made any attempt to dominate is its own platform. They never had any intention of dominating the mobile market in general.

If you have an iPhone 4 on AT&T, why get an iPhone 4 on Verizon right now. Makes zero sense even if you sell your phone for a good price then pay the ETF.

If you got a 3GS or older, maybe so.

We are looking at a little over four months until iPhone 5 hits most likely.

WWDC looks like it's around June 6 or so so we may see it there.

I don't think there were many switchers yet.

Absolutely. Can you play Sony Playstation games on the Motorola Atrix? Can you plug the Sony/Ericson Play into the Atrix docking station?

This is a prime example of why Android is not a congruent platform.

You feel that the success of Android is on its ability to adapt keyboards?

Maybe... stay with me now, but just maybe... many people know the iPhone 5 will be out in a hand full of months and would rather sign a new 2-year contract for a new phone rather than one that's almost a year old. (As I am and told my friends to do, wait for June)

Any analyst worth their salt should have known this would be the case. People buy the iPhone for the product. Not the carrier. The product is currently more than halfway through it's lifecycle.

No prospective buyer wants it now, save those with itchy trigger fingers and there will always be those.

The real uptick for verizon will be the the iPhone 5. Then there will be smiles all around. The reason it will be big is because it will be a true launch. New product. Not a 6 month old one. Who wants to be stuck in a contract with a device that is already old when you begin?

What verizon is seeing now is the result of smart people in a struggling economy waiting for the best possible time to purchase a NEW product with associated service.

Not surprised here. Verizon isn't offering incentives like AT&T had. Who is going to pay almost two hundred dollars for a phone, plus almost a four hundred dollar early termination fee. Verizon customers have to wait until their contracts expire. Same with AT&T people who want to switch. Further, people in the know who can afford to wait will wait until summer.

You have a very short memory. Back in 2007 they cut the price of the phone by $400, and ended up having to write a very large check to please the people who had already bought the phone. Same thing will happen again. I think Apple LOVES to have a release schedule that will allow them to have 2 large spikes in demand, half a year apart, rather than one EPIC spike in demand in summer.

Watch, it'll happen. Until the iPhone is 4G LTE, which won't happen this summer.

Exactly. And, dominance for the sake of dominance is not a value-creating strategy. Android is welcome to its profitless domination......

No my memory is good. I got one of those checks and used it to buy the iPhone 3G.

That is back when the iPhone was brand new and Apple wasn't so sure how well it would do. They cut the price because it was a monster hit. I don't understand how that relates to this situation at all.

I do not see the logic in staggering releases between AT&T and Verizon would result in two spikes. It just results in Verizon getting the same phone later, which would suck for them.

wtf is Itunes Operating System?

Obviously many are holding out for the iPhone 5 which will probably support LTE. If I were looking at getting an iPhone on Verizon I'd wait till June/July too.

The next iPhone, the 5 will just be a stop-gap until the real thing - A true LTE - phone is released as the iPhone 6. Buyers who hold out for the 5 will have even more buyers remorse than the buyers of the 4 - who by then will be ready for a subsidized upgrade to the 6. In addition, the $30 Unlimited VZ Data Plan probably won't be available to those who hold out for the iPhone 5. So, they will be doubly hosed.

Not necessarily. The current LTE deployment is a stop-gap for LTE Advanced.

At this point HSPA+ can match and exceed Verizon's LTE deployment. That is the reason AT&T isn't too worried about LTE yet.

If AT&T's iPhone 5 has an HSPA+ radio that can achieve the maximum speed. It will be faster than LTE at this point.

I don't need the iPhone 5. I waited long enough for the VZW iPhone. And now that I have it, I'll be getting the iPhone 6 next year. Atleast it'll take full advantage of VZW's 4G LTE network!

But it will slip 0.43% vs. what they would have made had it hit expectations but we have no idea what that number should be (since it is all growing so fast).

Damn, my precision AAPL model will be slightly wrong

Any halfwit can post on the internet - case in point above. How is "set a record in 2 hours" wrong? Or a million units in first week? Seriously, try to go back to sleep.

Unless we hear from Apple tomorrow, it is unlikely they have sold a million in the first week.

The rumor was that the initial CDMA build was for 2M units. Not really a problem as Apple will sell them as discounted devices once the next iPhone launches. Or they could get rid of them almost overnight by doing a deal with China Telecom.

I think Apple will release both versions at the same time - they want to be carrier agnostic. And I think this situation is substantially different than cutting the phone price by 2/3s.

Besides, you then are faced with the same situation you have today - selling a phone half-way through its product cycle.

Apple will likely address any supply issues by adjusting launches in other countries.

Funny thing - whenever I pass an Apple store, it seems there is always a throng of young people drooling over the iPhone.

I am a shareholder. I'm mildly disappointed but not really concerned. More phones will be sold as people come out of contract.

Yeah but the iPhone 5 on Verizon will still be on slow as shit 3G. HSPA+ means nothing for the Verizon people who are probably 16+ months from seeing an LTE iPhone.

I was all set to get an iPhone on Verizon. I was fed up with the Bugs Google intorduced in Froyo. However, last week a ROM developer came up with a custom Gengerbread ROM ( SS 5.0 ) and it fixed all of the bugs that Google caused in the Froyo ROM's. Motorola finally released a good Sync app for the mac that seamlessly syncs my music, Playlists, Photos and videos between the droid and iTunes. It is actually a little easier to setup than iTunes's native sync...

I am kind of enjoying the old Droid again. It is smooth and has a lot of really nice features that the iPhone does not have. I really do not want to give them up. Also I would have to pay $700.00 to get an iPhone as I have a year left on my 2 year contract.

Here are the features I would miss:

1) Free Wifi & USB Tethering. I use it to connect my iPad to 3G when not in a AT&T 3G area which is quite often. I also use it to connect my laptop when necessary.

2) Voice commands. Google did a great job with voice inputs. I can sent text and email by simply telling the phone who I want to send it to and saying the message. Really cool.

3) Voice text input in ANY text field. When the keyboard pops up I simply hit the mic and say what I want typed. I rarely type a lot any more. The Voice to text in Google is excellent.

4) Google Maps. Google Maps are simply better don in Android that on the iPhone ( remember I have an iPad for comparison )

5) I like being able to actually mount the phone as a USB drive to copy a file or directory between computers. I work with high tech equipment and a hande USB drive is nice to have.

6) I also like having Flash capability in the browser. Like it or not there is still a huge part of the web that is goign to be Flash only for a long time. I like to read about Automobile news and almost all of the sites are flash based.

Really? And how is that different from trying to sell a GSM iPhone in February? By your logic shouldn't they just stop selling phones after December?

This may have more to do with low sales than anything. Before getting my iPhone I was a Verizon customer and frankly have found AT&T to be a far more professional organization. By a very long shot. AT&T might not have the coverage (certainly not a problem for me), but it also doesn't have all the crap associated with Verizon.

Examples of Verizons crap: Kiosks in the local malls where the reps act as if they work for a traveling carnival. In actual free standing Verizon stores whole teams if sales people with extrodinary bad attitudes which are magnified in proportion to the persons stupidity with respect to knowledge about what they are selling. Endless marketing crap being directed at you. Bills and charges that are a complete mystery.

I could go on but at this point AT&T has my respect as a business. At least locally you actually feel like a customer. Verizon simply isn't all it is cracked up to be and has the feel of a slightly sleazy business. So unless you are in a class of people that don't have a choice, jumping ship to go with Verizon doesn't make a lot of sense.

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I honestly think the only reason young kids may like some Android phones better is texting. I know two teenagers who love all Apple products EXCEPT the iPhone. The reason is they text a lot and prefer an actual keyboard.

That's true. For the iPhone on Verizon WiFi will be your friend.

Yep. This is why I bought an iPhone 4. By the time my contract reaches it's end date, the 6 should be good to go, and then LTE will be in the picture.

Iphone5 is a hold out for many people. Others are on a wait &see status as to how Verizon handles the load.
Perhaps the Verizon Iphone4 wasn't a blowout, however it certainly was a winner according to the COO of Verizon.

1) New iPhone less than six months away
2) Verizon has horrible terms for length of time to get new phone subsidies making getting the iPhone 4 that much of a worse proposition vs. waiting for the iPhone 5
3) AT&T doesn't suck nearly as bad as many would have you believe
4) All of the above means people are probably going to wait until their current contracts are up before moving

<sarcasm>What a complete shock that there wasn't a mass uptake of the iPhone on Verizon! </sarcasm>

However, I have no doubt there will be plenty spinning this as an Apple failure or some other such nonsense.

The attraction is highest at product introduction and, I believe, Apple has every intention of being carrier agnostic. No, they don't stop selling phones but I think Apple will want a unified launch in the US.

Best post in the thread...

Beleaguered...

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."