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Putting into perspective the threat of Verizon's new iPhone 4 carries for Android handset makers, a new report states that 28 percent of Motorola's phone sales came from Verizon before the iPhone went on sale.

More than a quarter of Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc.'s revenue in 2010 came from sales on Verizon's network, according to a new report filed Friday by Bloomberg. Verizon has played an increasingly important role with Motorola, as the handset maker saw 13 percent of its revenue from the carrier in 2008, and 17 percent in 2009.

Motorola is one of the premier Android device makers, ushering in the "Droid Does" marketing campaign with Motorola in 2009 with the launch of the first Motorola Droid.

Motorola's important relationship with Verizon was detailed in a regulatory filing made on Friday. In it, the Illinois company also indicated that a significant loss of revenue from Verizon "could have a negative impact on our business."

The details underscore the belief that Apple's end of iPhone exclusivity in the U.S. and decision to align with Verizon is strategic. Wall Street analyst Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray has estimated that Verizon accounts for roughly 20 percent of all Android users worldwide.

One rumor this week suggested that both Apple and Verizon are disappointed by launch sales of the CDMA iPhone 4, after it became available at retail on Feb. 10. That report also claimed that 30 percent of Verizon iPhone buyers were Android users switching to Apple's handset.

However, a Verizon spokesperson contradicted that report, and said the company was pleased with initial sales. No sales figures for the Verizon iPhone 4 have been released yet.

More likely, the real test for Android handsets on Verizon for device makers like Motorola will come when the so-called "iPhone 5" launches, expected around Apple's annual June timeframe. Then, both AT&T and Verizon -- the two largest carriers in the U.S. -- could potentially have a simultaneous launch of the new device.
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This will be interesting to follow.
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More likely, the real test for Android handsets on Verizon for device makers like Motorola will come when the so-called "iPhone 5" launches, expected around Apple's annual June timeframe. Then, both AT&T and Verizon -- the two largest carriers in the U.S. -- could potentially have a simultaneous launch of the new device.

I know we will have to wait, and there's no better afternoon sport (tongue firmly in cheek) than handicapping iPhone versus Android sales figures, but in less than 6 months we will have hard data on who is selling/not selling what. I suspect that Android is going to take a serious hit, but I reckon the proof will be in the pudding. Some early numbers should be coming pretty soon.
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Is is a shock to me that it is only 28%...
That is only slightly better than 1/4, there are 4 major carriers so logically it would be a 1/4 split 4 ways.

Now take in to consideration the massive droid ad campaigns from VZ..
I would think this would bring the percentage much higher then just a few points above 25%..

This is being sold as a "See look, iPhone is going to kill Moto"
Not going to happen.
Atrix sales will add to the AT&T%
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Is is a shock to me that it is only 28%...
That is only slightly better than 1/4, there are 4 major carriers so logically it would be a 1/4 split 4 ways.

Now take in to consideration the massive droid ad campaigns from VZ..
I would think this would bring the percentage much higher then just a few points above 25%..

This is being sold as a "See look, iPhone is going to kill Moto"
Not going to happen.
Atrix sales will add to the AT&T%

Is it 28% of global sales?
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More likely, the real test for Android handsets on Verizon for device makers like Motorola will come when the so-called "iPhone 5" launches, expected around Apple's annual June timeframe. Then, both AT&T and Verizon -- the two largest carriers in the U.S. -- could potentially have a simultaneous launch of the new device.

Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.
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Got 5. Hop on one of the bandwagons and move to Texas too.

Edit Oh, and I LOL'd at the pic. Good stuff.
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Pfft! My iPhone gets 3-4 bars and can drop a call with 5!
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Pfft! My iPhone gets 3-4 bars and can drop a call with 5!

Now that's magical!
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Why buy the iPhone4 when they can wait 4 months and get the iPhone5? What surprises me is that so many people actually DID buy the Verizon iPhone 4.
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Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.

But if iPhone 5 has resolved antennae issues then I can see a lot of users upgrading. I certainly will for that reason alone if it's sorted - as it should be.
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Is is a shock to me that it is only 28%...
That is only slightly better than 1/4, there are 4 major carriers so logically it would be a 1/4 split 4 ways.

Now take in to consideration the massive droid ad campaigns from VZ..
I would think this would bring the percentage much higher then just a few points above 25%..

This is being sold as a "See look, iPhone is going to kill Moto"
Not going to happen.
Atrix sales will add to the AT&T%

Its actually huge considering Moto sells phones worldwide.
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Why buy the iPhone4 when they can wait 4 months and get the iPhone5? What surprises me is that so many people actually DID buy the Verizon iPhone 4.

What amazes me is there are people that keep saying they are surprised that people aren't waiting for an unknown amount of time for an unannounced product with unannounced features.

Just exactly what new feature should people being putting off their purchase for?
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Is is a shock to me that it is only 28%...
That is only slightly better than 1/4, there are 4 major carriers so logically it would be a 1/4 split 4 ways.

First, this is 28% of *all* MMI sales. That includes the billions of dollars of cable boxes they sell every year. Verizon's share of MMI mobile devices sales is 38%.

Second, this is across all carriers in the world, not just the four US carriers.

Finally, the VZW sales make up a disproportionate share of MMI smartphone sales. Remember, MMI still sells almost two "dumb" phones for every smartphone, but the vast majority of the dumb phone sales are on other carriers. VZW accounts for at least 50% of MMI smartphone sales, if not more.

There is no doubt that they will be hit hard by the Verizon iPhone. I will be surprised if they do not slide back to a loss in the coming quarter. The Xoom's DOA pricing scheme won't help either.

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Atrix sales will add to the AT&T%

AT&T's Android share has remained trivial, even with them now offering top models like the Galaxy S. The simple fact is that Android is not the preferred phone choice when iPhone is available on the same carrier, and AT&T is not the preferred network choice when a given phone is available on all carriers. If you cross the unpreferred phone with the unpreferred network, you get...not a lot of sales.
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What amazes me is there are people that keep saying they are surprised that people aren't waiting for an unknown amount of time for an unannounced product with unannounced features.

Just exactly what new feature should people being putting off their purchase for?

I can see that, but I think most people (here) are really saying, Im holding off on a new Mac until I see what they have out next. Until then my current Mac will suit me just fine as the current models arent enough to make me want to upgrade again just yet."
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Why buy the iPhone4 when they can wait 4 months and get the iPhone5? What surprises me is that so many people actually DID buy the Verizon iPhone 4.

Because some of us have been dealing with AT&T's lack of coverage for data and voice (and I live in a major metropolitian area) and dropped calls for years that it was time to move on. Besides, the iPhone 5 is vapor-ware at this point. Why wait four more months for something that just might be more of a software upgrade than a hardware upgrade?

With Apple just begining to hire LTE engineers, I can't see the next iPhone being 4G compatible.

With that said, a lot of Verizon customers wanted this phone, but wanted Verizon more than AT&T.
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I can see that, but I think most people (here) are really saying, “I’m holding off on a new Mac until I see what they have out next. Until then my current Mac will suit me just fine as the current models aren’t enough to make me want to upgrade again just yet."

I agree with your point for the select number of people who visit these types of forums. However, I would say that most of the Apple consumers have no idea about these things until it makes it to the mainstream news outlets. For people to say you should wait some unknown amount of time for a phone with features we know nothing about is a bit crazy to me.

These are the same boards that were calling people crazy for buying iPad's during Christmas because the new iPad was coming right after Christmas. While that still may hold true, there has been nothing from Apple about it. Meanwhile, those people are happily using their iPad's.
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Why buy the iPhone4 when they can wait 4 months and get the iPhone5? What surprises me is that so many people actually DID buy the Verizon iPhone 4.

Are you sure that the iPhone 5 is going to be coming in 4 months?
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But if iPhone 5 has resolved antennae issues then I can see a lot of users upgrading. I certainly will for that reason alone if it's sorted - as it should be.

Why would the resolution of an "issue" that affects virtually no one result in mass user upgrades?
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The strong pre-orders contradict the rumor of disappointment by Apple and Verizon. Obviously there's pent-up demand. Less obvious is the fact that the iPhone 4 has been out for awhile and there's no hype to stand in line to be the first to get something that's been out for over half a year on another network.
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Putting into perspective the threat of Verizon's new iPhone 4 carries for Android handset makers, a new report states that 28 percent of Motorola's phone sales came from Verizon before the iPhone went on sale.

So what got put into perspective? Nothing until figures *post* iPhone 4 being released come out.

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More likely, the real test for Android handsets on Verizon for device makers like Motorola will come when the so-called "iPhone 5" launches, expected around Apple's annual June timeframe. Then, both AT&T and Verizon -- the two largest carriers in the U.S. -- could potentially have a simultaneous launch of the new device.

Actually the real test will be if the iPhone 5 can withstand the new Android devices being released *before* the June timeframe. There's some "magical" Android devices coming with everything from 3D no-glasses-display with 3D recording and photos to dual core power houses with unique features such as being dockable in a laptop shell. Even AT&T who has historically barely given an Android device shelf space is going to be bringing on *12* Android devices in 2011 (competition not seen by the AT&T iPhone at AT&T). Its not if Android will be stunted by the iPhone 5, it is if the iPhone 5 (which should barely be an upgrade if it plays to historical stats) can withstand all of the Android devices which will feature things (like today) that the iPhone won't have. As Android devices appear with more unique features to stand them out from other Android devices, poor Apple will be left scrambling to keep up as the "magic" is being sucked out from under them. They had a great no-competition run that allowed them to grow for years at a rapid rate. Those days of running free are going...
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I'm a little bit confused as to why this is newsworthy? Why Motorola singled out? Why is it of any note without post-iPhone launch sales to contrast?
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So what got put into perspective? Nothing until figures *post* iPhone 4 being released come out.



Actually the real test will be if the iPhone 5 can withstand the new Android devices being released *before* the June timeframe. There's some "magical" Android devices coming with everything from 3D no-glasses-display with 3D recording and photos to dual core power houses with unique features such as being dockable in a laptop shell. Even AT&T who has historically barely given an Android device shelf space is going to be bringing on *12* Android devices in 2011 (competition not seen by the AT&T iPhone at AT&T). Its not if Android will be stunted by the iPhone 5, it is if the iPhone 5 (which should barely be an upgrade if it plays to historical stats) can withstand all of the Android devices which will feature things (like today) that the iPhone won't have. As Android devices appear with more unique features to stand them out from other Android devices, poor Apple will be left scrambling to keep up as the "magic" is being sucked out from under them. They had a great no-competition run that allowed them to grow for years at a rapid rate. Those days of running free are going...

This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.

Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.

When people keep spewing out the endless "features" and "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" abilities, you already lost the argument because the majority of consumers really do not care about all that stuff. It's only the wet dreams of tech-heads, nerds, and geeks. You're beliefs do apply to the majority.

In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.
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This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.

Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.

When people keep spewing out the endless "features" and "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" abilities, you already lost the argument because the majority of consumers really do not care about all that stuff. It's only the wet dreams of tech-heads, nerds, and geeks. You're beliefs do apply to the majority.

In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.

Quite right, but I want some of what MicroNix is smoking!! There's so much wrong with his comment it's hard to know where to start but you did a reasonable job lol
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This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.

Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.

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Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.

No? Then how did they release a phone where simply holding it can degrade the signal so much? Pre-iPhone 4 this would have not happened. QC was not at its best here.

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In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.

Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.

You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.
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Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.

Those vendors are battling for crumbs as they use their last bit of energy to attempt to scramble out of the grave they dug themselves.

Apple, on the other hand, is taking the lions share of revenue and profit compared to vendors using Android in smartphones, despite your claims that "Android is spanking iOS in sales [revenue and profits].

Oh, you meant unit sales? So your big defense that Apple is losing in a race they arent playing by choosing to only release a new model once a year and not giving away their OS for free to other developers. Maybe you can conceive of a reason why they wouldnt do that perhaps because they can make money at selling phones while others are lucky to keep the lights on.

BTW, you cant use that defense when you reference battling for crumbs which implies some sort of payoff which is no guarantee when you only measure unit sales. You can still lose your ass selling all your stock. Every day companies lower prices to limit loses from a failed item. Xoom $1,199 on Best Buy advert, now $799, soon to be even lower when the sells even less than Motorolas execs think it will sell.
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Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.

1_ The iPhone hasn't been out long enough to say there's some pattern of updates, 3G to 3GS is only one instance, maybe you're right, but can't use one instance as a pattern. A pattern is multiple instances. Wanting to keep up to Android and really impress on Verizon it's definitely possible iPhone 5 will be a major upgrade in design & features. (Not going to happen, but I hope for a 64gb version.)

2_ I'm on the 3GS, one of my friends is still on the 3G along with one of my coworkers and both will upgrade this summer. Only three people, but folks whose 3GS contracts end this summer many will upgrade to iP5. Not everyone has an iP4.
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Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.

Yes that's true and it is expected of Android to "dominate". With a gazillion different vendor devices running Android littering the market, how could it not? But you forgot that this "domination" is meaningless when each hardware vendor running Android ends up breaking-even at the most when profit is calculated. Let's say they do profit, but with a measly sum? Who will be happy with that? This Android "success story" will be short-lived because the handset vendors at some point in the near future will try to differentiate themselves from their Android kin by breaking away from Google and craft their own OS. You can see that from LG, who is getting tired of too many Android in the market.

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Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.

You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.

I can see an exasperated Android groupie in this post. Why not, from initial reports, an eight month old iPhone 4 is taking away 30% of Android customers on Android's personal playground - Verizon. It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.

Moto, Samsung, LG and HTC will not be in a position to challenge iPhone one-on-one in customer patronage because they just don't have the X factor. Whether you like it or not brand name recognition still rules the day.
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Yes that's true and it is expected of Android to "dominate". With a gazillion different vendor devices running Android littering the market, how could it not? But you forgot that this "domination" is meaningless when each hardware vendor running Android ends up breaking-even at the most when profit is calculated. Let's say they do profit, but with a measly sum? Who will be happy with that? This Android "success story" will be short-lived because the handset vendors at some point in the near future will try to differentiate themselves from their Android kin by breaking away from Google and craft their own OS. You can see that from LG, who is getting tired of too many Android in the market.



I can see an exasperated Android groupie in this post. Why not, from initial reports, an eight month old iPhone 4 is taking away 30% of Android customers on Android's personal playground - Verizon. It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.

Moto, Samsung, LG and HTC will not be in a position to challenge iPhone one-on-one in customer patronage because they just don't have the X factor. Whether you like it or not brand name recognition still rules the day.

You are wrong. 30% of new verizon iphone buyers were switching from android does not equals to
30% of verizon Android customers are switching to iPhone. It means that 100-30=70% of Verizon Android users are switching to iphone. I agree with you though that the rest 30% are waiting for iphone5
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Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.



No? Then how did they release a phone where simply holding it can degrade the signal so much? Pre-iPhone 4 this would have not happened. QC was not at its best here.



Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.

You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.

When a single model of an Android phone sells half the quantity that the iPhone 4 does then I'll consider your point of view as valid.
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Just exactly what new feature should people being putting off their purchase for?

Are you kidding? The NEXT Apple release is always amazing.

People are already predicting great things for the iPad 3, like a retina screen. The iPad 2 is likely to have an incremental addition of stuff left off the first one, like cameras. But the NEXT iPad will leave the competition scrambling.


Andthe next iPhone will blow everyone away. It iwll have better battery life, a VERY fast dual core processor, NFC, a touchscreen on the back of the device, lots and lots of RAM, an SD card slot, wireless syncing, free turn-by-turn directions, and lots of other stuff. If it doesn't get that stuff, then the iPhone 6 will blow everybody away with its SOTA technology. And if not, then the 7 will get everything anyone might want. Remember, Steve is just like Wayne Gretsky!
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It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.



The next iPhone is gonna be SWEET! It will be so much better than any Android phone! I can't wait!
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Because some of us have been dealing with AT&T's lack of coverage for data and voice (and I live in a major metropolitian area) and dropped calls for years that it was time to move on. Besides, the iPhone 5 is vapor-ware at this point. Why wait four more months for something that just might be more of a software upgrade than a hardware upgrade?

With Apple just begining to hire LTE engineers, I can't see the next iPhone being 4G compatible.

With that said, a lot of Verizon customers wanted this phone, but wanted Verizon more than AT&T.

so you are going to go to verizon where their network can not handle simultaneous voice/data? have fun with your slow 3G speeds. How about Verizon fix their dl/ul speeds before jumping to 4G.

I live in major metro area, actually the 3rd largest, Houston. I have may have 3 dropped calls since the iPhone 4.

quit throwing around terms like 4G..no one has 4G, it's more like 3G+. 4G is still marketing hype and you fell for it. 4G will not be ubiquitous for many years. nice try though. Funny how AT&T 3G will still be faster than Verizon's 4G.
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so you are going to go to verizon where their network can not handle simultaneous voice/data? have fun with your slow 3G speeds. How about Verizon fix their dl/ul speeds before jumping to 4G.

I live in major metro area, actually the 3rd largest, Houston. I have may have 3 dropped calls since the iPhone 4.

quit throwing around terms like 4G..no one has 4G, it's more like 3G+. 4G is still marketing hype and you fell for it. 4G will not be ubiquitous for many years. nice try though. Funny how AT&T 3G will still be faster than Verizon's 4G.

I agree that the pros of AT&T outweigh its cons, but I have good AT&T coverage everywhere I go. Not everyone will fall into that group. Those people need to realize that not everyone will fall into their group either.

Verizon had to go to LTE. The effort to upgrade to EV-DO Rev. B for a little faster speeds with a still present dead-end made it so, hence moving to LTE is how they are fixing their dl/ul speeds.

People can use terms like 4G anyway they want, including the carriers. What you are referring to is the ITU’s definition of 4G, which has also changed many times and includes a lot more than the 100Mbps download rate that is often cited. ITU’s definition is too complex for the average person to grasp and there is nothing requiring carriers and phone makers to use the ITU definition so AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile wanting to call their network 4G is perfectly fine.

From all of their PoVs it is the 4th generation of major network technology overhauls so it does make a lot of sense. I know AT&T resisted it and didn’t like when T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G but they really had no choice but follow suit since they clearly couldn’t go to the FCC or ITU Spanking Board to get T-Mobile to drop the marketing term and would have been seen as inferior if they kept saying 3G for the same or better service. I still don’t think most “technical” people realize that Verizon’s 3G network map included CDM2000 1xRTT which is actually on par and slightly worse than EDGE. I’m not sure if Verizon has any more of that, but when they started advertising the size of their 3G network they had plenty.
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Note: "motifake.com" printed on bottom right hand corner and is posted on http://www.bartcop.com/

Did it really need to be pointed out that the image was a fake?
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Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.

Some, have no idea of how many, do buy a new iPhone every year. When I purchases the original iPhone, I was switching from Sprint, also purchased a Razor for my wife, so now every year I buy the new iphone and give her the old model. Works great.
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