Originally Posted by tonton
LOL how naive to believe that law is the only means by which people are forced to make decisions they don't want to make.
Unregulated business has every bit as much capability to use 'force' as government has.
They may have the capability
but they don't have the right
. Just like a mugger might have the capability to use or threaten force with, say, a gun or knife and take your money...they don't have the right
You are confusing capability with moral right.
The problem is that with government, you have given them the apparent
"right" to use force. Morally speaking, no one has the right to initiate* the use of force against another. Whether that someone is an individual, whether they work for the government, whether it is a large group. Whether it is a large group that has been selected by some other group to do their bidding. Whatever.
Worse, this capability (and alleged "right") vested in the state then becomes co-opted by private interests to be used for their
own purposes. Which is why the power of government to use force must be strictly limited.
It's amusing to see people who want to give government lots of power then be dismayed when that power is co-opted and abused, as if this were some kind of unpredictable outcome.
It's amusing to see people who have no faith in people to act morally and well when they are acting in the private realm but to assume they will act morally and rightly once they have been given the power of force embodied within the government.
Finally, its amusing to see people who propose and advocate for the use of force to achieve whatever goals they desire or claim to be noble (usually for other
people than themselves), ignore both the immorality of this as well as the fact that they have no right to do it.
Look tonton, as an example, if you are entering into some kind of agreement, let's say for employment, with someone...I have no right whatsoever to step into the middle of that arrangement and dictate its terms. None.
*Everyone does have the right to use force in defense
of a forceful action of course.