iPad 3 with Retina display, new device sized between iPad and iPod in Apple's pipeline - Page 3

My dear friend, I will return the compliment you once threw upon me and say emphatically that once you cross the threshold of three medium length sentences in one post, your rhetorical acumen opens a door to all too withheld clear-sightedness.

Were it stricly for my own benefit, please do expend yourself more often...

Nope.


NOPE.

Call bs on a six inch device. Cause if apple were to ship one it would have to come with a knife to shave down your fingertips.

What did I tell you.

I knew that Steve would eat his own words claiming DOA when the Galaxy Tab launched with the 7" screen. It's purpose was to rain on Samsung's parade to quell Apple's competition by putting the words "DOA" into journalists hands.

He obviously saw Samsung as a threat ( and they should be).

Now look at Apple now, eating its own words.

You're taking Job's marketing speak for what he was describing as a tablet to literally, or with convenient blinders on. The iPhone and iPod Touch came before the iPad by almost three tees with 1/8th the display/touch space. Surely you don't think jobs expected people to widdle down their fingers for a smartphone and Personal media player and Internet device. For this reason I'd assume any device in that size range to be grouped with the iPods. Before you say that Jobs is just covering his ass by grouping it that way note that these devices spend years in development.

In the same response that you trashed everybody that said something won't happen you go on to predict that something won't happen! Do you not see the problem here?

As to a sub ten inch iPad or a big iPod Touch; such a device makes a lot of sense because the current iPad is way to big. To big that is for many uses where a portable tablet could be very useful.

Contrary to popular opinion here, this is not a one size fits all world. The potential market for a sub 7" tablet, with good software support, is huge. I would estimate that twice the volume of the current iPad is easy.


The threads are well read. Further they are filled with well presented points of view. Those views might not jive with yours but they are valid none the less.

Well yeah lots of examples can be found in these forums. However that doesn't dismiss well thought out points of view.

We shall see. But to be perfectly blunt you have to be crazy to think that iPad is the only other physical size of Touch devices we will ever see. Apple has great start on tablet type GUIs and as such they have virtual blank slates to put that GUI on. All they really need to believe is that sales will be there to justify the price.

Just one example where a device around five inches would be very desirable is tablet optimized for in car navigation. Salesman would love such a device as would field techs and others that need to travel with a lot of "stuff" and need to minimize their electronic load. The value is in having all your electronic needs taken care of in one small electronic device.

In any event just because you where right about iPad does not mean that everybody else shares your perspective. In simple terms iPad is just to big for some uses.

After going through the thread, looks to me that if the rumor is true, this new iDevice would be analogous to the Samsung Galaxy Tab (w/o Honeycomb since that is supposedly a Tablet UI vs FroYo which is a phone form factor UI).

Apple markets what it has to sell at the time. I'm not sure why people have trouble digesting this. Apple could have came out with an 8" or 12" iPad and declared it perfect. It is nothing more than marketing speak and should be treated as such.

Beyound that it is foolish to believe we will only have one IPad size and one Touch size. Forever is along time. Also Apple is finally in a position to spend freely on R&D and new product development. This isn't the Apple of the 90's.

I disagree. I believe the iPad came out as 10" because, for Apple, in their research they found 10" to work the best as a screen you hold in your hands for general computing. As a sole-function book reader 7" is a better size. The 6" Kindle is too small, I own one. 7" would be better. As a tablet computer 10" is where it's at.

Why do you think Samsung lately have announced the 10.1 Tab. It's sort of like a tennis racket, they all eventually settle on a size the works the best.

Nothing lasts forever in this world.

I cant agree with 7 being a better size soley" for reading. For certain readers Im sure it is, and Im sure that certain types of books its a better overall size, but note that Hardcover fiction opens to be about the size of the iPads footprint, yet they still sell the larger size first with the smaller paperback coming about a year or so later at a reduced price.

Then there are textbooks and books and that have images and diagrams. I think I can say with certainty that most of them are considerably larger than the the iPad when opened, not to mention heavier.

The only books that are smaller are typically smaller are rerun novels, books that arent popular enough to be worth of the larger size, and pocketable or nearly-pocketable quick reference guides, with a few other types taking up a lot of small categories at the end. These are about 7 diagonal when opened up.

Ive seen fantasy and science fiction that are somewhere in between those two sizes but those arent the norm. Then there are the plethora of books sizes and shapes for various marketing or utility reasons, but those are on a per-book basis, not the norm.

I agree. The current size of the iPad screen seems perfect for a personal information & content viewing device. Anything smaller should be marketed as a larger iPod Touch and shouldn't exceed 4" screen size.

There are also heated arguments over the meaning and usage of words.


Wouldnt that be supper or a dinner party to relate to the formal aspect?

Replying to your own quote.

To a fault. Sometimes they "improve" on a next model by making it smaller at some sacrifice. I've had a 4th Gen touch for a week and I still hate the form factor over the previous one. It's too thin. It's not pleasant in the hand. It's harder to grip. I wish it was the same shape and size of the previous version.

You give yourself a bit too much credit. You normally whinge and bellyache that something isn't made or rumored to be exactly the way you want it (not talking about the antenna, it's your MO in general). At least you do it reasonably so it's understandable and non-threatening. We understand where you are coming from even if not all of us agree and get frustrated over it. You're just part of this big dysfunctional family!

I can see a large touch. It fills a different niche than an iPad. I have been on record since prior to the iPhone release wanting an approximately steno-pad sized note-taking appliance. Turns out in the large scheme the original tabled iPad was just about what I was asking for, then we got to wait another 4 years for something that's too big for my tastes. I'd be happier with 1/4 inch bevels , but really happy with a 3:2 ~7" screen and no bezel. Sure it would be less capable than an iPad, but that would be fine for me. I don't want a standalone tablet, I really want a laptop extending appliance.

Apple will get into the gaming business before they get into the TV business.

You can "nope" me all night long it wont change the fact that there Is a new gaming gadget coming and a major unexpected software update.

Work huh, just what the hell are all the unemployed supposed to do all day! jeez

Sorry Ireland. No dice on Apple building an actual TV set. They already have an entry into the living room and it's called AppleTV. Apple is too smart to enter a product category that has been completely commoditized. TV sets are becoming dumb monitors and even the speakers will eventually disappear and go outboard since these monitors are getting thinner and audio quality is decreasing over time. It doesn't make sense to build AppleTV-type functionality inside the TV set itself. All of the smarts belong in an outboard box so that consumers won't have to update their TV with more powerful processors and features that require more than a firmware upgrade. Notice how they only offer one monitor on their online Store now. And that's just to support the Mac Pro models (Mac mini buyers probably buy cheap LCDs from other brands). It also makes it much easier to add it to an AV Receiver when it's an outboard box and not located in the TV.

Apple's plan is to make AppleTV an "everything" box that will ultimately replace all other boxes in your living room. We're still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm guessing that will happen within the year when an App store for AppleTV goes online and then they light up the massive Cloud they are building in North Carolina which will enable streaming of all major TV channels, including live sports programming. Their goal is to replace your Cable/DirecTV box with AppleTV and ultimately offer a gaming platform alternative to XBox/Playstation similar to what Onlive is doing.

I never mentioned text books. Yes, the iPad makes way more sense for those. Magazines, diagram books, etc, etc.

When I refer to 7" I talking an Apple iBook for reading iBooks. For reading "novels" the Kindle beats the iPad hands down, but even at that if it were 7" it would be far better. That's not to say the Kindle hardware isn't trash - it is. I'm talking strictly about 7" and e-ink, versus 10" and LCD. And I talking strictly books. In the true sense of the word. The iPad is too big to read books, and even more important - if you own a Kindle you'll understand this - it's far too heavy to read a book on.

If it's 4" it should simply be the new iPod touch.

Hahaha.

Apple are in the gaming business.

Don't be sorry. I believe you are wrong. Never is a long time. The writing is on the wall.

Just a little anecdote. I was at a club and a group of thirty-something office ladies were dancing in their office clothes, looking out of place (I'm a regular there and had never seen them there before), giggling, and taking photos and browsing them on a Galaxy Tab while they were dancing. That thing was HUGE and they looked like ridiculous geeks who probably only went partying once or twice a year. Might just as well have been wearing pocket protectors. Anyhing larger than an Phone is something that only ever should be taken out on your sofa or during your commute on the bus or the train.

Yes apple did invent something. Because they understand what the average consumer needed. They created a device they knew would be wanted. I stand by my statement.

Yeah, but then this website would get a lot less clicks if they didn't continue to spew stupid rumors like this. Just read through the comments to see how many people actually are believing the rumors. Pretty sad.

That's not listening to the customer. That's knowing. It's instinct, creativity, knowledge, skill and a series of good choices.

The rest of your comment is good, though.

If it was reasonably priced, I'd buy a 5' touch in an instant. I always wanted a slightly larger screen for more comfortable reading, and having the interface unmodified would be completely fine, due to the already ultra-high dpi. It would even make touch typing that much easier due to the bigger keys. Would also make an even better gaming canvas, since your fingers would block a smaller percentage of the action.

Uh, not spend your money on expensive things like and iPoad...that would be the smart thing to do if you didn't have a job.

Wow, a 5"-7" touch device that runs a phone/ipod-like OS instead of a tablet OS. Kind of like the Dell Streak or the Galaxy Tab. What amazing innovation!

Oh, absolutely. No one would EVER have a portable, handheld device that was smaller than 6".

Just ignore all those tens of millions of smart phones out there. No one uses iPhones. They're all still in their original boxes. All the smartphones that are in use are obviously controlled by mind-control.



Sheesh. Look, no one here has any idea what's going on and most of the posters are incredibly uninformed and lack even a trace of the vision and skill that Apple offers. What's the point of arguing about what's going to be in the next Apple product. NONE OF YOU KNOWS.

But you have to keep in mind two things:

1. Apple doesn't do market research. They create their designs based on what their in-house engineers, designers, and especially Steve, think is best.

2. They are not always right. For example, the foolish notion that they could take all of the buttons off the shuffle and it would sell. Or go a little further back to the fat nano or the hockey puck mouse. And I predict the current nano will fall into that same category of design mistakes.

Obviously, the iPad isn't a failure like those devices were. But that doesn't mean it's the perfect, one-size-fits-all device. Apple's first PowerBook G4 was the 15" model. And later they added the 13" and the 17", but the 15" remained the top seller. If you were going to make only a single sized tablet, then yes, the current 9.7" screen is probably optimal. But that doesn't mean it's the only good size. It's the best single size if you are only going to make one.

You can count me in the camp who think the current iPad is too big for my preferred size. And I find the iPod touch too small because Apple let the iPhone dictate the touch's screen size. They needed the screen small enough to make phone, and until they knew how successful it would be it made sense to make the touch the same size.

But now they sell enough of each that each can stand on it's own merits to justify differentiating the designs. A slightly bigger iPod with the same resolution as the iPhone makes perfect sense. Shrinking down the iPad is a bit more difficult due to the UI. But I think Apple could make the screen slightly smaller, with the same resolution, and still have a good UI.

Not quite yet

I always find these posts hilarious, as if we're in some alternate reality where Apple has announced this, instead of just rumors. You sound quite foolish, congratulating yourself and stating that Apple is 'eating its own words' based on nothing but unsubstantiated rumors, like the other 50 rumors we got this week. What stupidity.

EH?! You can put random words together all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that I have no idea what you're claiming here.


But you expect it. Heck, you've known about it forever. Which one are you talking about? We have a bunch of "major" software updates coming up soon.


The problem is that this sentence contains a concept that cannot be translated into the culture of the United States.

It's like the German word for their sense of humor; Americans just cannot understand the meaning behind the words of that sentence.

You're like those analysts.

I never said, quote: "market research". I said research. As in, R&D.