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Actually, I believe that Apple 'listens' to its customers a lot, but not in the traditional sense of focus groups, market research surveys and such.

More important, it knows its customers so well that sometimes, it is capable of anticipating where it's core group of longstanding customers wants to go next.

Moreover, not every company has the benefit of an abundance of free (and passionately so!) advice from many, many settings like these!

My dear friend, I will return the compliment you once threw upon me and say emphatically that once you cross the threshold of three medium length sentences in one post, your rhetorical acumen opens a door to all too withheld clear-sightedness.

Were it stricly for my own benefit, please do expend yourself more often...
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The new bigger ipod touch

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3D unit that dont required glasses

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Call bs on a six inch device. Cause if apple were to ship one it would have to come with a knife to shave down your fingertips.
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What did I tell you.

I knew that Steve would eat his own words claiming DOA when the Galaxy Tab launched with the 7" screen. It's purpose was to rain on Samsung's parade to quell Apple's competition by putting the words "DOA" into journalists hands.

He obviously saw Samsung as a threat ( and they should be).

Now look at Apple now, eating its own words.

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Call bs on a six inch device. Cause if apple were to ship one it would have to come with a knife to shave down your fingertips.

You're taking Job's marketing speak for what he was describing as a tablet to literally, or with convenient blinders on. The iPhone and iPod Touch came before the iPad by almost three tees with 1/8th the display/touch space. Surely you don't think jobs expected people to widdle down their fingers for a smartphone and Personal media player and Internet device. For this reason I'd assume any device in that size range to be grouped with the iPods. Before you say that Jobs is just covering his ass by grouping it that way note that these devices spend years in development.
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In the same response that you trashed everybody that said something won't happen you go on to predict that something won't happen! Do you not see the problem here?

As to a sub ten inch iPad or a big iPod Touch; such a device makes a lot of sense because the current iPad is way to big. To big that is for many uses where a portable tablet could be very useful.

Contrary to popular opinion here, this is not a one size fits all world. The potential market for a sub 7" tablet, with good software support, is huge. I would estimate that twice the volume of the current iPad is easy.

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Not one person here has seemed to understand my point that the iPod touch is of a certain size because it needs to be pocketable. Do people even read these threads, or do they just come along to submit a random comment and leave?

The threads are well read. Further they are filled with well presented points of view. Those views might not jive with yours but they are valid none the less.
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I don't know if I agree with everything nkhm said there, but he essentially made sense. No wonder Gruber has made such a following. Most people don't really think through what they want to say when it comes to tech. And in particular the future of tech.

Well yeah lots of examples can be found in these forums. However that doesn't dismiss well thought out points of view.
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You only need to look at Apple mockups out there to see how wrong people can be. Apple tends to make simple products that make sense. People looking at Apple from the outside tend to think the next Apple product is going to have wings.

It's like the whole Apple Television thing. People or still debating whether or not Apple are going to make an actual TV, and not what they should be debating - what the TV is going to look like. If you're still in the group that thinks Apple are "never" going to make a TV then in my opinion you need to keep your mouth closed in future.

When myself and a few others here said Apple are going to make a phone - "they have no choice" I recall saying - people around here called us idiots. When a few here including myself said Apple are going to make a tablet, we were ridiculed. And when we said an Apple Tele is eventually coming, the same thing.

After all three off these products come to be no one will ever say: you know what, we were all wrong.

It's not that difficult to give general product predictions with Apple. But no matter how many times you get it right people never recall all the shouting you did at the time. I recall only one member here sending me an PM apology when the iPad was announced. I predicted 10" and everyone practically said I was crazy thinking it would be that big. The consensus at the time seemed to be 7". I have always argued that size never made sense, and I turned out to right. Now we come full-circle and we're back to this 6-7" talk. Do ye people ever learn?

We shall see. But to be perfectly blunt you have to be crazy to think that iPad is the only other physical size of Touch devices we will ever see. Apple has great start on tablet type GUIs and as such they have virtual blank slates to put that GUI on. All they really need to believe is that sales will be there to justify the price.

Just one example where a device around five inches would be very desirable is tablet optimized for in car navigation. Salesman would love such a device as would field techs and others that need to travel with a lot of "stuff" and need to minimize their electronic load. The value is in having all your electronic needs taken care of in one small electronic device.

In any event just because you where right about iPad does not mean that everybody else shares your perspective. In simple terms iPad is just to big for some uses.
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After going through the thread, looks to me that if the rumor is true, this new iDevice would be analogous to the Samsung Galaxy Tab (w/o Honeycomb since that is supposedly a Tablet UI vs FroYo which is a phone form factor UI).
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I believe he means the size, as in a 9.7" display for a tablet device, is perfect.

Apple markets what it has to sell at the time. I'm not sure why people have trouble digesting this. Apple could have came out with an 8" or 12" iPad and declared it perfect. It is nothing more than marketing speak and should be treated as such.

Beyound that it is foolish to believe we will only have one IPad size and one Touch size. Forever is along time. Also Apple is finally in a position to spend freely on R&D and new product development. This isn't the Apple of the 90's.
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Apple markets what it has to sell at the time. I'm not sure why people have trouble digesting this. Apple could have came out with an 8" or 12" iPad and declared it perfect. It is nothing more than marketing speak and should be treated as such.

I disagree. I believe the iPad came out as 10" because, for Apple, in their research they found 10" to work the best as a screen you hold in your hands for general computing. As a sole-function book reader 7" is a better size. The 6" Kindle is too small, I own one. 7" would be better. As a tablet computer 10" is where it's at.

Why do you think Samsung lately have announced the 10.1 Tab. It's sort of like a tennis racket, they all eventually settle on a size the works the best.
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post #90 of 138
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Beyound that it is foolish to believe we will only have one IPad size and one Touch size. Forever is along time.

Nothing lasts forever in this world.
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post #91 of 138
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I disagree. I believe the iPad came out as 10" because, for Apple, in their research they found 10" to work the best as a screen you hold in your hands for general computing. As a sole-function book reader 7" is a better size. The 6" Kindle is too small, I own one. 7" would be better. As a tablet computer 10" is where it's at.

Why do you think Samsung lately have announced the 10.1 Tab. It's sort of like a tennis racket, they all eventually settle on a size the works the best.

I cant agree with 7 being a better size soley" for reading. For certain readers Im sure it is, and Im sure that certain types of books its a better overall size, but note that Hardcover fiction opens to be about the size of the iPads footprint, yet they still sell the larger size first with the smaller paperback coming about a year or so later at a reduced price.

Then there are textbooks and books and that have images and diagrams. I think I can say with certainty that most of them are considerably larger than the the iPad when opened, not to mention heavier.

The only books that are smaller are typically smaller are rerun novels, books that arent popular enough to be worth of the larger size, and pocketable or nearly-pocketable quick reference guides, with a few other types taking up a lot of small categories at the end. These are about 7 diagonal when opened up.

Ive seen fantasy and science fiction that are somewhere in between those two sizes but those arent the norm. Then there are the plethora of books sizes and shapes for various marketing or utility reasons, but those are on a per-book basis, not the norm.
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So you played games on an iPad an thought: "if only this was smaller". No one thinks that. 10" is not actually that big for a screen. Even watching movies 13" is far better. They make a pocket computer and a tablet computer, they have no need for a tweener. Apple always walk to the beat of their own drummer. And that tends to be 'cause they deeply think through what makes sense as a product.

If Apple was run by some of you guys they'd have 1", 2", 3", 4", 5", 6", 7", 8", 9", 10", 11", 12" and 13" touch screen products to make sure they catered to every possible person out there. That's the MS way, the AOL way, it's not the Apple way.

I agree. The current size of the iPad screen seems perfect for a personal information & content viewing device. Anything smaller should be marketed as a larger iPod Touch and shouldn't exceed 4" screen size.

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Oh damn thats funny. Apple getting advice from a place like this would be like an international baccalaureate honors student getting advice form the kid that rides the short bus.

There are also heated arguments over the meaning and usage of words.

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We have threads on this forum where people actually debate where somone is sitting at dinner with the President as if the seating has some deep meaning. Or threads where people start breaking into tears when Steve Jobs goes on leave.

Wouldnt that be supper or a dinner party to relate to the formal aspect?
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Sure, nailed it, that's it...

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How is this "breaking news"?



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post #95 of 138
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My point is: Apple likes to keep their devices small

To a fault. Sometimes they "improve" on a next model by making it smaller at some sacrifice. I've had a 4th Gen touch for a week and I still hate the form factor over the previous one. It's too thin. It's not pleasant in the hand. It's harder to grip. I wish it was the same shape and size of the previous version.
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I distinctly remembered calling the OS Mac OS X touch. That is not Mac OS X. I said it would need to be re written for the ground up for touch. Go back and read what I said. That said...

I admitted I was off on that one and took it on the chin. And I like my iPad. And yes, I fell into the camp that went after the iPhone 4 antenna, but I'm over that now. It was overblown. I was wrong.

You give yourself a bit too much credit. You normally whinge and bellyache that something isn't made or rumored to be exactly the way you want it (not talking about the antenna, it's your MO in general). At least you do it reasonably so it's understandable and non-threatening. We understand where you are coming from even if not all of us agree and get frustrated over it. You're just part of this big dysfunctional family!

I can see a large touch. It fills a different niche than an iPad. I have been on record since prior to the iPhone release wanting an approximately steno-pad sized note-taking appliance. Turns out in the large scheme the original tabled iPad was just about what I was asking for, then we got to wait another 4 years for something that's too big for my tastes. I'd be happier with 1/4 inch bevels , but really happy with a 3:2 ~7" screen and no bezel. Sure it would be less capable than an iPad, but that would be fine for me. I don't want a standalone tablet, I really want a laptop extending appliance.
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The iPoad
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Apple will get into the gaming business before they get into the TV business.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Nope.
NOPE.

You can "nope" me all night long it wont change the fact that there Is a new gaming gadget coming and a major unexpected software update.
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Honestly, what kind of work can you get done on a device such as you describe? Serious think about how that would work.

Work huh, just what the hell are all the unemployed supposed to do all day! jeez

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post #101 of 138
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I predict it will be an Apple branded Television. It will have something revolutionary about it. If this Apple branded TV could successfully turn my living room into a room with 1 remote that would be a revolution, for me. Besides that, we'll see.



Think more: "connected TV", as opposed to "a computer with TV capabilities". It won't act or be marketed as a computer. The problem with TV is Apple likes their control, and they don't control TV content as they'd like to. If Apple had more control this would move forward a lot sooner. The TV experience sucks more than the mobile phone experience ever did.

We can wax-wishful all day about this TV, but that's not the point. The point is they will do something in the TV space some day, something more that little black box.

Sorry Ireland. No dice on Apple building an actual TV set. They already have an entry into the living room and it's called AppleTV. Apple is too smart to enter a product category that has been completely commoditized. TV sets are becoming dumb monitors and even the speakers will eventually disappear and go outboard since these monitors are getting thinner and audio quality is decreasing over time. It doesn't make sense to build AppleTV-type functionality inside the TV set itself. All of the smarts belong in an outboard box so that consumers won't have to update their TV with more powerful processors and features that require more than a firmware upgrade. Notice how they only offer one monitor on their online Store now. And that's just to support the Mac Pro models (Mac mini buyers probably buy cheap LCDs from other brands). It also makes it much easier to add it to an AV Receiver when it's an outboard box and not located in the TV.

Apple's plan is to make AppleTV an "everything" box that will ultimately replace all other boxes in your living room. We're still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm guessing that will happen within the year when an App store for AppleTV goes online and then they light up the massive Cloud they are building in North Carolina which will enable streaming of all major TV channels, including live sports programming. Their goal is to replace your Cable/DirecTV box with AppleTV and ultimately offer a gaming platform alternative to XBox/Playstation similar to what Onlive is doing.
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Then there are textbooks and books and that have images and diagrams. I think I can say with certainty that most of them are considerably larger than the the iPad when opened, not to mention heavier.

I never mentioned text books. Yes, the iPad makes way more sense for those. Magazines, diagram books, etc, etc.

When I refer to 7" I talking an Apple iBook for reading iBooks. For reading "novels" the Kindle beats the iPad hands down, but even at that if it were 7" it would be far better. That's not to say the Kindle hardware isn't trash - it is. I'm talking strictly about 7" and e-ink, versus 10" and LCD. And I talking strictly books. In the true sense of the word. The iPad is too big to read books, and even more important - if you own a Kindle you'll understand this - it's far too heavy to read a book on.
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post #103 of 138
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I agree. The current size of the iPad screen seems perfect for a personal information & content viewing device. Anything smaller should be marketed as a larger iPod Touch and shouldn't exceed 4" screen size.

If it's 4" it should simply be the new iPod touch.
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The iPoad

Hahaha.
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post #105 of 138
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Apple will get into the gaming business before they get into the TV business.

Apple are in the gaming business.
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post #106 of 138
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Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post

Sorry Ireland. No dice on Apple building an actual TV set.

Don't be sorry. I believe you are wrong. Never is a long time. The writing is on the wall.
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post #107 of 138
Just a little anecdote. I was at a club and a group of thirty-something office ladies were dancing in their office clothes, looking out of place (I'm a regular there and had never seen them there before), giggling, and taking photos and browsing them on a Galaxy Tab while they were dancing. That thing was HUGE and they looked like ridiculous geeks who probably only went partying once or twice a year. Might just as well have been wearing pocket protectors. Anyhing larger than an Phone is something that only ever should be taken out on your sofa or during your commute on the bus or the train.
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Actually, although his post in general was good, the last line you quoted there was the reason I couldn't entirely get behind it.



Apple invented something, not what people didn't know they already wanted, but something that "made sense" as a product. There was a reason for the iPad existing. In fact, Steve told us those reasons during its announcement. Consumers bought it in droves because the iPad is a great and useful product that serves many purposes in a slim package, not because they were listened to.

Yes apple did invent something. Because they understand what the average consumer needed. They created a device they knew would be wanted. I stand by my statement.
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Originally Posted by Mynameisjoe View Post

You're making predictions on the iPad 3 already. It's release is so far off I wouldn't trust this story if your source was Steve Jobs himself.

Yeah, but then this website would get a lot less clicks if they didn't continue to spew stupid rumors like this. Just read through the comments to see how many people actually are believing the rumors. Pretty sad.
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Yes apple did invent something. Because they understand what the average consumer needed. They created a device they knew would be wanted. I stand by my statement.

That's not listening to the customer. That's knowing. It's instinct, creativity, knowledge, skill and a series of good choices.

The rest of your comment is good, though.
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post #111 of 138
If it was reasonably priced, I'd buy a 5' touch in an instant. I always wanted a slightly larger screen for more comfortable reading, and having the interface unmodified would be completely fine, due to the already ultra-high dpi. It would even make touch typing that much easier due to the bigger keys. Would also make an even better gaming canvas, since your fingers would block a smaller percentage of the action.
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Work huh, just what the hell are all the unemployed supposed to do all day! jeez

Uh, not spend your money on expensive things like and iPoad...that would be the smart thing to do if you didn't have a job.
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Wow, a 5"-7" touch device that runs a phone/ipod-like OS instead of a tablet OS. Kind of like the Dell Streak or the Galaxy Tab. What amazing innovation!
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Call bs on a six inch device. Cause if apple were to ship one it would have to come with a knife to shave down your fingertips.

Oh, absolutely. No one would EVER have a portable, handheld device that was smaller than 6".

Just ignore all those tens of millions of smart phones out there. No one uses iPhones. They're all still in their original boxes. All the smartphones that are in use are obviously controlled by mind-control.



Sheesh. Look, no one here has any idea what's going on and most of the posters are incredibly uninformed and lack even a trace of the vision and skill that Apple offers. What's the point of arguing about what's going to be in the next Apple product. NONE OF YOU KNOWS.
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post #115 of 138
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I disagree. I believe the iPad came out as 10" because, for Apple, in their research they found 10" to work the best as a screen you hold in your hands for general computing. As a sole-function book reader 7" is a better size. The 6" Kindle is too small, I own one. 7" would be better. As a tablet computer 10" is where it's at.

Why do you think Samsung lately have announced the 10.1 Tab. It's sort of like a tennis racket, they all eventually settle on a size the works the best.

But you have to keep in mind two things:

1. Apple doesn't do market research. They create their designs based on what their in-house engineers, designers, and especially Steve, think is best.

2. They are not always right. For example, the foolish notion that they could take all of the buttons off the shuffle and it would sell. Or go a little further back to the fat nano or the hockey puck mouse. And I predict the current nano will fall into that same category of design mistakes.

Obviously, the iPad isn't a failure like those devices were. But that doesn't mean it's the perfect, one-size-fits-all device. Apple's first PowerBook G4 was the 15" model. And later they added the 13" and the 17", but the 15" remained the top seller. If you were going to make only a single sized tablet, then yes, the current 9.7" screen is probably optimal. But that doesn't mean it's the only good size. It's the best single size if you are only going to make one.

You can count me in the camp who think the current iPad is too big for my preferred size. And I find the iPod touch too small because Apple let the iPhone dictate the touch's screen size. They needed the screen small enough to make phone, and until they knew how successful it would be it made sense to make the touch the same size.

But now they sell enough of each that each can stand on it's own merits to justify differentiating the designs. A slightly bigger iPod with the same resolution as the iPhone makes perfect sense. Shrinking down the iPad is a bit more difficult due to the UI. But I think Apple could make the screen slightly smaller, with the same resolution, and still have a good UI.
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Apple are in the gaming business.

Not quite yet
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

What did I tell you.

I knew that Steve would eat his own words claiming DOA when the Galaxy Tab launched with the 7" screen. It's purpose was to rain on Samsung's parade to quell Apple's competition by putting the words "DOA" into journalists hands.

He obviously saw Samsung as a threat ( and they should be).

Now look at Apple now, eating its own words.

I always find these posts hilarious, as if we're in some alternate reality where Apple has announced this, instead of just rumors. You sound quite foolish, congratulating yourself and stating that Apple is 'eating its own words' based on nothing but unsubstantiated rumors, like the other 50 rumors we got this week. What stupidity.
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there Is a new gaming gadget coming

EH?! You can put random words together all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that I have no idea what you're claiming here.

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a major unexpected software update.

But you expect it. Heck, you've known about it forever. Which one are you talking about? We have a bunch of "major" software updates coming up soon.

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Uh, not spend your money on expensive things like and iPoad...that would be the smart thing to do if you didn't have a job.

The problem is that this sentence contains a concept that cannot be translated into the culture of the United States.

It's like the German word for their sense of humor; Americans just cannot understand the meaning behind the words of that sentence.
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Not quite yet

You're like those analysts.
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But you have to keep in mind two things:

1. Apple doesn't do market research.

I never said, quote: "market research". I said research. As in, R&D.
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