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Claims of delays for Apple's iPad 2, iPhone 5 labeled false

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While two separate reports from financial analysts on Tuesday claimed Apple was forced to delay the launch of its next-generation iPad and iPhone models, both have since been declared inaccurate in separate reports.

Reuters on Tuesday specifically denied a claim that the next model of Apple iPad would be delayed until June. In addition, Jim Dalrymple of The Loop also said the iPad 2 would not be delayed, and disputed a separate report that development of the iPhone 5 had also hit a snag.

The reports are in response to two separate notes from analysts that made the rounds on Tuesday. The first, from analysts Vincent Chen and Alison Chen with Taiwan-based research firm Yuanta Securities Co., claimed that design changes to the second-generation iPad 2 caused a delay to the unannounced product, giving it a later-than-expected launch in June.

In addition, analyst Craig Berger with FBR Capital Markets issued a separate report claiming that the iPhone 5 may not launch until September, later than the typical June arrival. Berger said that more time would allow Apple to "enhance its next-generation instant communications on the phone."

"From what I've heard this morning, both products are on schedule and will ship when they are supposed to," Dalrymple wrote in response. "Only Apple knows exactly when that will be, but the products are not delayed."

While Apple typically has an annual refresh cycle for the iPhone in June, only one version of the iPad has been released since it debuted in the U.S. last April. The second-generation iPad is expected to debut by April with enhanced hardware, including a camera for FaceTime video chat.

Of course, both the so-called "iPad 2" and "iPhone 5" only exist in rumors in the public so far, as neither product has been confirmed or even mentioned by Apple. The same goes for rumored launch dates and product introductions, as Apple has not made any formal announcements or scheduled any media events.
post #2 of 33
Phew, 'cause I'm upgrading from an iPhone 1 to an iPhone 5. I can't wait any longer. iPad 2 RAM increase will be great for those like myself upgrading to it, also.
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post #3 of 33
I'm sure Apple's logic is... if it's unannounced how can it be delayed?
post #4 of 33
Pump and dump, dump and pump.
Classic.
post #5 of 33
These rumors get created/spread by opportunists who want to buy Apple Stock after the 'scare' lowers the price. I hope the SEC nails these individuals.
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It will be called "iPhone Phone 7 Series"

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #7 of 33
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Phew, 'cause I'm upgrading from an iPhone 1 to an iPhone 5. I can't wait any longer. iPad 2 RAM increase will be great for those like myself upgrading to it, also.

How in the world has your iPhone 1 lasted this long? I was ready to throw my iPhone 3G against a brick wall while waiting to get my iPhone 4.
post #8 of 33
Dumb analysts are dumb.
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The first clue that this rumour was a load of BS is that it talked about a long delay which really doesn't make sense. Even if an issue had emerged, it's unlikely it would take 3-4 months to correct the problem. Apple has been building touch-screen devices for years. It's far from untested technology and it's not likely that the iPad 2 will be that dramatic a departure from the popular formula seen in the current version.

I have to say that anyone who dumped the stock this morning, taking a big hit, has to qualify as a very foolish investor if the reason was this clearly bogus claim.
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Phew, 'cause I'm upgrading from an iPhone 1 to an iPhone 5. I can't wait any longer. iPad 2 RAM increase will be great for those like myself upgrading to it, also.

You're still sticking with your original iPhone? I upgraded to a 3Gs, skipping the 3G and am skipping the iPhone 4. I wish my original iPhone supported iOS4 (in all its glory) and had 3G, I probably would have stuck with it for a bit longer.

If there is one thing I did like about the original iPhone, it was the design.
iPhone 4 > iPhone (original) > iPhone 3G, 3Gs
post #11 of 33
Of course it's false. It's the same old bullshit used to manipulate Apples stock price.
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Originally Posted by crossuab View Post

How in the world has your iPhone 1 lasted this long? I was ready to throw my iPhone 3G against a brick wall while waiting to get my iPhone 4.

The iPhone 3G and the original are powered by the same CPU, GPU, and have the same amount of RAM. They are identical in terms of horsepower.
post #13 of 33
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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

These rumors get created/spread by opportunists who want to buy Apple Stock after the 'scare' lowers the price. I hope the SEC nails these individuals.

I think the rumors are designed to make money for short sellers, rather than buyers. Apple could nail the short sellers themselves if they would use some of their cash to purchase their own shares whenever this happens. I think the lesson would be learned very quickly.
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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post

The iPhone 3G and the original are powered by the same CPU, GPU, and have the same amount of RAM. They are identical in terms of horsepower.

I think there should be an automatic procedure in place that mandates that any announcements, messages or press releases by Financial agents , dealer, brokers or what not should have their funds they manage, their and their immediate families stock trades examined and phone/email/blogs and tweets looked at for a given period around a certain period to ascertain whether they are taking advantage of their rumors. I'd even go as far as to say that all trades for a 15 day period from them (black out period) and their family are not allowed. Also the burden should be on the perpetrator to provide the records indicating all stock purchases they have made over the period in question if no blackout rule is made.
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Originally Posted by crossuab View Post

How in the world has your iPhone 1 lasted this long? I was ready to throw my iPhone 3G against a brick wall while waiting to get my iPhone 4.

iPhones just work. And I've seen a couple of people that still have the original iPhone. When I hanged out with my cousins friends, we all had iPhones. One had the original, one had the 3G, I had the 3GS, and my cousin had the iPhone 4. It was the iPhone family reunion! Haha
post #16 of 33
Phew! For a second there, I was beginning to be a bit worried.
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Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

I think there should be an automatic procedure in place that madates that any announcements, messages or press releases by Financial agents , dealer, brokers or what not should have their funds they manage, their and their immediate families stock trades examined and phone/email/blogs and tweets looked at for a given period around a certain period to ascertain whether they are taking advantage of their rumors. I'd even go as far as to say that all trades for a 15 day period from them and their family are not allowed. This is simlar to rules already in place for people who work for some companies around results time

You will have to figure out a way to reconcile the enormous cost of your suggestion with the "small government" and anti-regulation sentiment of the government, as currently constituted.
post #18 of 33
I just heard a rumour that analysts are predicting Christmas will be delayed this year. Apparently bankers at Norfolk & Chance say it might be as late as next February due to production delays at Santa's Chinese suppliers. Holy shit!
post #19 of 33
Ok so let me get this straight. Banks sell Apple shares. Analysts (who all work for said banks) spread rumours which sends Apple share price down. Banks then buys back Apple shares at lower price, watch as the rumours are proved wrong and the share price goes back up. Banks sell at the higher price making nice profit. Is that how it works?
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

I think the rumors are designed to make money for short sellers, rather than buyers. Apple could nail the short sellers themselves if they would use some of their cash to purchase their own shares whenever this happens. I think the lesson would be learned very quickly.

I think this is probably the best reason I've heard yet for apple using their cash to buy back shares.
post #21 of 33
No doubt these rumors originates from nokia.com, samsung.com, dell.com etc...
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Ok so let me get this straight. Banks sell Apple shares. Analysts (who all work for said banks) spread rumours which sends Apple share price down. Banks then buys back Apple shares at lower price, watch as the rumours are proved wrong and the share price goes back up. Banks sell at the higher price making nice profit. Is that how it works?

Not quite.
post #23 of 33
Is there a chance the "iphone 5" will be called the iphone 4G instead? It sounds more practical.
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Originally Posted by webfrasse View Post

No doubt these rumors originates from nokia.com, samsung.com, dell.com etc...

This could be possible if you are thinking that FUD would lead consumers to consider their products over "questionable future" Apple products.
However this makes no sense if you are in with the stock manipulation crowd--these companies don't give a rat's (petootie) about Apple's stock prices and even less about its short term fluctuations...
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post #25 of 33
I'm also still using my original 1st gen iPhone. It still works just as well as it ever did. The one problem area that it has is still just as broken with the 3.x code base as it was with the 1.x.



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How in the world has your iPhone 1 lasted this long? I was ready to throw my iPhone 3G against a brick wall while waiting to get my iPhone 4.
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Short selling: A strategy in which a speculator sells a commodity or security that he or she does not own in order to profit from a falling market. The speculator will borrow the commodity or security from a third party and then immediately sell on to the buyer. At a later date, the speculator must make good on the loan by buying back the commodity or security from the market to close the position. If the value of the commodity or security has fallen during this period the speculators profit will be the difference between his original sale price and the buyback price (minus interest charges and fees). However, if the market moves against the speculator there is the potential for limitless losses.

Just to clarify how profit can be made from rumours negatively affecting stock price. FWIW I don't believe this type of rumour had this intention. I think the analysts just got it wrong, something they do quite a lot.
post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by mgl323 View Post

Phew! For a second there, I was beginning to be a bit worried.

Don't relax too much. The response was only that it is not delayed. It could still be released later than people think and still be on Apple's schedule. I don't personally think it will be later than people think, but since it is unannounced, we have no idea when Apple was planning on releasing it. So, it is possible that they could show up in June and September and not have been delayed.
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

I think this is probably the best reason I've heard yet for apple using their cash to buy back shares.

Yes, that's what we need. Apple becoming a day trader. Brilliant. Wouldn't it be nicer if Apple sent you the money, and then you could use it to buy Apple stock, or a TV, or milk? It's your money, after all.
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Originally Posted by dcskater620 View Post

Is there a chance the "iphone 5" will be called the iphone 4G instead? It sounds more practical.

Zero. It won't have LTE, which isn't even 4G, so no, it won't be called that.

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I'm also still using my original 1st gen iPhone. It still works just as well as it ever did. The one problem area that it has is still just as broken with the 3.x code base as it was with the 1.x.

What's broken about it?

I just installed 4.2 on my Day One iPhone, and it runs just as well as 3.1.3 did. Try it out.

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I'm also still using my original 1st gen iPhone. It still works just as well as it ever did. The one problem area that it has is still just as broken with the 3.x code base as it was with the 1.x.

I'm still using my first gen iPhone as well. Plan to upgrade this summer.
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Dear SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION,

Please investigate Vincent Chen and Alison Chen with Taiwan-based research firm Yuanta Securities Co.

Please investigate analyst Craig Berger with FBR Capital Market.

I suspect both parties to be involved in stock price manipulation.

Regards,
APPL Stockholders
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

You will have to figure out a way to reconcile the enormous cost of your suggestion with the "small government" and anti-regulation sentiment of the government, as currently constituted.

no - the people making the press releases would have to pay the costs associated with data collection.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Ok so let me get this straight. Banks sell Apple shares. Analysts (who all work for said banks) spread rumours which sends Apple share price down. Banks then buys back Apple shares at lower price, watch as the rumours are proved wrong and the share price goes back up. Banks sell at the higher price making nice profit. Is that how it works?

Ever heard of shorting?
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