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Alleged MacBook Pro pictures reveal Apple's high-speed 'Thunderbolt' port

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Apple's implementation of Intel's Light Peak technology could be dubbed "Thunderbolt," according to new pictures that claim to show the new 13-inch MacBook Pro hardware and box [updated with photo of English box].

Alleged hardware specifications provided to AppleInsider show that in addition to a supposed Thunderbolt port, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro will also sport an input for an SDXC card. The specs also suggest that the 2.3GHz Core i5 processor will not be accompanied by a discrete graphics card.

The provided specifications include:
2.3GHz Core i5 Processor
4 GB DDR3 @ 1333 MHz
320 GB HDD
13.3-inch display @ 1280x800 pixels
Intel HD Graphics 3000 with 384 MB shared memory
FaceTime high-definition camera
Thunderbolt connector supporting High-Speed I/O and MiniDisplay-Port devices
SDXC, Firewire 800, and two USB 2.0 slots
Backlit keyboard
2.04kg weight


The same supposed Thunderbolt logo was provided to fscklog.com, which also obtained a picture claimed to show the specifications of the new 13-inch MacBook Pro. Those details align with the information shared with AppleInsider.



Update: Providing further confirmation that the specifications and Thunderbolt naming are legitimate, MacRumors has also obtained a picture of the supposed 13-inch MacBook Pro box. The new picture is in English, and shows the same details as reported above.



Finally, a picture claiming to show the ports on the new 13-inch MacBook Pro, including Thunderbolt, has also surfaced. It shows the new high-speed port in the exact same shape as an existing Mini DisplayPort input, which could allow the picture to be easily doctored.



Apple is expected to introduce its new line of MacBook Pros on Thursday. In addition to Intel's latest generation Sandy Bridge processors, the systems are rumored to have support for Intel's high-speed Light Peak data connections.

In fact, Intel is set to hold a press briefing on Light Peak the same day. Sources also told AppleInsider earlier this month that Apple's new MacBook Pros would feature new enhancements outside of the jump to Intel's Sandy Bridge CPUs.

If accurate, the alleged pictures of Apple's 13-inch MacBook Pro and use of the term "Thunderbolt" suggest that the company could include a unique implementation of Light Peak with its own branding that would be unique to Apple products. It would also lend support to rumors that the forthcoming iPad 2 would feature a built-in Mini DisplayPort, perhaps for more than just a video out.
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...unique implementation of Light Peak with its own branding that would be unique to Apple products...

Not if they want anyone else to use the port, they won't.

And can you imagine 10Gbps iOS device transfers? Takes away the complaining about no wireless syncing, that's for sure.

Now the question is: When will I be able to buy a ThunderBolt PCIe card for my Mac Pro? Not buying a new computer just for an amazing port.

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Very interesting. Looks like the mini DP will have connectors for optical connections? How about power? I have a feeling that this isn't LightPeak but some sort of docking technology that carries video, USB, network, FireWire, audio, you name it.

Of course we'll know soon enough.
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This has to be the replacement for the white Macbook. The specs don't make sense for an MBP, especially the screen.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Not if they want anyone else to use the port, they won't.

And can you imagine 10Gbps iOS device transfers? Takes away the complaining about no wireless syncing, that's for sure.

Now the question is: When will I be able to buy a ThunderBolt PCIe card for my Mac Pro? Not buying a new computer just for an amazing port.

Apple never has that problem and can allow standard light-peak connectors a few ways

- put them on the display
- an adapter for the built in thunderbolt port that splits out lightpeak and mini display port
- make the thunderbolt port one of the standard connectors in the light-peak announcement from intel. I would think this is pretty likely since Apple was the driving force behind the development of Lightpeak at intel.
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

Very interesting. Looks like the mini DP will have connectors for optical connections? How about power? I have a feeling that this isn't LightPeak but some sort of docking technology that carries video, USB, network, FireWire, audio, you name it.

Of course we'll know soon enough.

If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what LightPeak is. It would be fast enough to handle just about every single external connection at the same time with no slowdown. I could be wrong, though, I haven't been keeping up on LightPeak recently.
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Apple never has that problem

ADC and FireWire come to mind. I mean real FireWire, not the pansy 4-pin 400 ports you see on PCs, I mean real 6-pin 400 ports; the ports that would have made it a USB-killer.

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and can allow standard light-peak connectors a few ways

This is, of course, providing that ThunderBolt isn't "standard" LightPeak, which given Apple's involvement in the creation of the spec seems unlikely.

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Will LIGHTPEAK allow us to connect 2 external monitors to a Macbook? Wouldn't that be cool?
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What does "High-Speed-E/A" mean?
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What does "High-Speed-E/A" mean?

The original text was German, so it's probably Eingang/Ausgang.
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This has to be the replacement for the white Macbook. The specs don't

I don't know. The FireWire port seems to argue against it being a white MacBook replacement. I really font understand the lack of an integrated video controller. I would much rather have that than a 1394 port.

Also a i5 on the entry level replacement? Weird build in general IMO.
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Look at the left edge of the profile screen shot. What is that color change that occurs in the middle of the Magsafe port and continues up the screen? It looks far to dark and defined to be a shadow and it is perfectly straight down the middle of the port.

It's either a photoshopped picture, or there might be some LiquidMetal involved?
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I can't remember the last time Apple introduced a new IO connection and kept the last generation one on the machine just for fun.
If there's a Thunderbolt port (that does sounds weirdly cool), why would there be a FW800 port?
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At least the GPU is HD3000, which is decent for a non gaming PC. I was scare they used HD2000 which is very bad.
I still wonder what GPU is going to be on higher models.

Since most of the new external USB drives are going to be USB 3.0, I was hoping for USB 3.0 support...
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Making it the mDP port makes sense. You need to include an external display port but it’s also highly unused by most people, and mDP is a very modern port interface design that Apple created.

First we’ll replace the mDP with the Thunderbolt. Then we’ll see another port drop of and perhaps be replaced with another USB or Thunderbolt port.

Plus, this is the method that a new port would have to be introduce to get it to work with new iDevices. You can’t release them with THunderbolt support without first having the Macs with Thunderbolt support. Since it’s protocol independent LightPeak on Windows users will be able to benefit from this, but Apple will likely have Thunderbolt on every new machine as it revises them, which will put it in the collective hands of Mac users faster than Windows or Linux users. This will help sales of both Macs, iDevices and Apple’s ecosystem when other vendors won’t be able to even start to figure out how to add LightPeak until tomorrow.
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These pictures are obviously fake, just look at the size and weight of the thing, they are the same as the current model up to the mm and up to 10 grams. Which would mean not only the case would be completely unchanged but also that any component that weighs over 10 grams would be exactly the same, or magically add up to exactly 2.04 kilograms again.

Also, I'm not buying that the new MBP's would only have the Sandy Bridge IGP and no seperate GPU, because that would mean they have weaker graphics than the current MacBook Air. Not going to happen.
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I don't know. The FireWire port seems to argue against it being a white MacBook replacement. I really font understand the lack of an integrated video controller. I would much rather have that than a 1394 port.

Well, yeah, I obviously don't know if this is the new MBP or the new MB or simply a fake. But let's just think about this for a minute.

Option 1: This is the new entry-level 1199$ Macbook Pro. Possible, but not very likely IMHO. At least I hope so, because it would be very, very strange to introduce a supposedly pro-level laptop with a display that's vastly inferior to the screen in the current ultraportable lineup. And I don't just mean the 13"-Air; even the 11"-MBA has more pixels than this leaked laptop. For 1199$, this would be a very tough sell, considering you can get a 13"-MBA with a much better screen, an SSD, and no useles optical drive for 1299$.

Option 2: Apple axe the white Macbook (or relegate it to EDU-only status, kind of like the eMac way back when) and introduce this leaked product as the new entry-level portable at 999$. Now THAT would be a pretty convincing move. The terrible resolution still strikes me as weird, but at 999$, this would be a fine replacement for the plastic Macbook, and it would give consumers a very decent new option at the entry-level. If you wanted to get into Macs, you could then choose between the very capable and portable 11"-MBA, an upgraded iPad, or this new unibody Macbook.

I'm not necessarily saying option two is more likely or anything, it's just the scenario that makes more sense to me. If they go with option 1, it will be disappointing, but not surprising. Apple haven't ever taken the 13"-pro seriously since they introduced it in June 2009.
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Look at the left edge of the profile screen shot. What is that color change that occurs in the middle of the Magsafe port and continues up the screen? It looks far to dark and defined to be a shadow and it is perfectly straight down the middle of the port.

It's either a photoshopped picture, or there might be some LiquidMetal involved?

Looks like it is still in the plastic wrapper to me. Would much prefer the lightpeak to be integrated with the MagSafe and include an outboard Ethernet port, but I don't imagine the bulk of the people feel that way.
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Apple's implementation of Intel's Light Peak technology could be dubbed "Thunderbolt," ...

Thunderbolt? I prefer the 'Light Peak' name. A unique implementation might require a different name but 'thunderbolt' seems so juvenile. Oh well, kids will love it.
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It's definitely photoshopped. The perspective on the ports changes dramatically between the firewire & thunderbolt port, and notice how the shiny edge on the right comes to a point and disappears under the second USB port from the right.

I also have serious doubts that Apple would name something "Thunderbolt", but that's just my opinion..
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Ahh... so they will distinguish the MBP 13" from the Air by giving it a nice i5 and a lot more ports.

Is this Thunderbolt port even Light Peak at all, or are they just going to use mini-DP for peripherals as well now? Is mini-DP that flexible from the beginning?
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Where is this 2.33GHz Core-i5? I only see these:

Intel® CoreTMi5 processor Mobile (FCPGA10)
i5-2540M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.60 GHz 32nm) $266
i5-2520M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.50 GHz 32nm) $225
i5-580M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.66 GHz 32nm) $266
i5-560M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.66 GHz 32nm) $225
i5-540M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.53 GHz 32nm) $257
i5-520M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.40 GHz 32nm) $225

This could be a special chip for Apple, maybe with OpenCL, but I have my doubts. Also, why only the one CPU (at a low price for a 13” MBP) and a low capacity HDD. This might be the new entry level 13” Mac notebook with the premium ones finally removing the worthless optical drive and coming with dGPU.

I know some say that the 11” MBA will be the new entry level model, but that doesn’t make sense. Dropping the plastic MacBook for an aluminum MacBook (or MBP) as the entry level for $999 does make sense.


Update: MacRumors says it is legit and that it is the entry level model as I suspected. Since it’s not thinner that makes sense. It also gives me hope of a thinner, lighter MBP with longer battery life from the removable of the optical drive.
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Someone stole Apples Thunder eh
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I wonder how the Intel graphics will perform? Should be interesting...
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I have always been a fan of windows, but recently I have decided to go to "the other side " and buy a MacBook Pro. However, I will be buying it with all my savings, and as that is a big financial effort, I really want high value-for-money.
I will be buying the 15".

If there isn't a redesign (or at least liquidmetal), if the thunderbolt port isn't compatible with other types of ports (usb 3.0 and its precedents), if the discrete graphics card isn't upgraded, and if there is no OSX-dedicated SSD, I believe that the upgrade isn't worth it.

Really disappointed, hope this is fake and Apple surprises us with real goodies

Otherwise... I will have to remain windows-attached for the next 4/5 years..
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At least the GPU is HD3000, which is decent for a non gaming PC. I was scare they used HD2000 which is very bad.

From the wikipedia Sandy Bridge entry (and confirmed in a multitude of other places):

All mobile processors use Intel's Graphics sub-system HD 3000 (12 EUs).
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These pictures are obviously fake, just look at the size and weight of the thing, they are the same as the current model up to the mm and up to 10 grams. Which would mean not only the case would be completely unchanged but also that any component that weighs over 10 grams would be exactly the same, or magically add up to exactly 2.04 kilograms again.

Also, I'm not buying that the new MBP's would only have the Sandy Bridge IGP and no seperate GPU, because that would mean they have weaker graphics than the current MacBook Air. Not going to happen.

disregard my comment
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Where is this 2.33GHz Core-i5? I only see these:

Perhaps that's Intel's announcement - some new Sandy Bridge variants, and not Light Peak at all.
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what I see is the curent macbook where de symbol for the miniDisplay port has just been changed. True picture or easy photoshop ?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

And can you imagine 10Gbps iOS device transfers? Takes away the complaining about no wireless syncing, that's for sure.

Why? The issue with having no wireless sync is one of convenience, and has nothing to do with speed.
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Where is this 2.33GHz Core-i5? I only see these:

Intel® CoreTMi5 processor Mobile (FCPGA10)
i5-2540M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.60 GHz 32nm) $266
i5-2520M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.50 GHz 32nm) $225
i5-580M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.66 GHz 32nm) $266
i5-560M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.66 GHz 32nm) $225
i5-540M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.53 GHz 32nm) $257
i5-520M (3M cache, 2 Cores, 4 Threads, 2.40 GHz 32nm) $225

This could be a special chip for Apple, maybe with OpenCL, but I have my doubts. Also, why only the one CPU (at a low price for a 13 MBP) and a low capacity HDD. This might be the new entry level 13 Mac notebook with the premium ones finally removing the worthless optical drive and coming with dGPU.

I know some say that the 11 MBA will be the new entry level model, but that doesnt make sense. Dropping the plastic MacBook for an aluminum MacBook (or MBP) as the entry level for $999 does make sense.


Update: MacRumors says it is legit and that it is the entry level model as I suspected. Since its not thinner that makes sense. It also gives me hope of a thinner, lighter MBP with longer battery life from the removable of the optical drive.

The 2.33 Ghz Sandy Brigde is the Core i5 2410M
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Originally Posted by jgaf View Post

I have always been a fan of windows, but recently I have decided to go to "the other side " and buy a MacBook Pro. However, I will be buying it with all my savings, and as that is a big financial effort, I really want high value-for-money.
I will be buying the 15".

If there isn't a redesign (or at least liquidmetal), if the thunderbolt port isn't compatible with other types of ports (usb 3.0 and its precedents), if the discrete graphics card isn't upgraded, and if there is no OSX-dedicated SSD, I believe that the upgrade isn't worth it.

Really disappointed, hope this is fake and Apple surprises us with real goodies

Otherwise... I will have to remain windows-attached for the next 4/5 years..

Cue the violins.

Can't wait to see the whining levels after the event.
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Why? The issue with having no wireless sync is one of convenience

It's convenient to wait longer than it would for a wired transfer?

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has nothing to do with speed.

That's for sure.

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Where is this 2.33GHz Core-i5? I only see these:

Core i5 2410M is listed as 2.3GHz. That's probably actually 2.33.

EDIT:Beaten by icebiker

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I know some say that the 11” MBA will be the new entry level model, but that doesn’t make sense. Dropping the plastic MacBook for an aluminum MacBook (or MBP) as the entry level for $999 does make sense.

I've been saying for awhile now that I think they will drop the white plastic MacBook and then let people be covered by the iPad and MBA as their entry point with Apple. There will still be a low end option for the MBP that is in the same price range as one of the 13" MBAs, but that isn't a problem I don't think. We'll find out tomorrow, in theory
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  • Sandy Bridge processors
  • Light Peak Technology.....or Thunderbolt
  • New SSD OS drive
  • Possible Liquid Metal body
  • Thinner and lighter
  • EOL for the white MacBook

Wouldn't Apple hold some sort of media event to introduce all these new changes to the line up? I can't see this many changes being done with just a silent refresh. Don't get me wrong the changes would make for an awesome new laptop but usually with this kind of refresh there is more of a show and tell presentation by Apple.

What do you folks think?
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Originally Posted by henrikmk View Post

The original text was German, so it's probably Eingang/Ausgang.

Ah, so E/A == I/O
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I find it unusual that the weight of the new 13-inch Macbook Pro of 2.04kg (4.5 pounds) is the exact same weight of the current model. I thought there was to be a slight weight reduction with the new models of about 1/2 pound. Anyway I think it's rather unusual that with some serious component changing going on inside, the new model would end up the exact same weight as the old. So does this morsel of proposed truth question the veracity of the overall claim?
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What do you folks think?

I think it will just be a press release from Phil Schiller. And we will get some of those other things on the higher end models.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

ADC and FireWire come to mind. I mean real FireWire, not the pansy 4-pin 400 ports you see on PCs, I mean real 6-pin 400 ports; the ports that would have made it a USB-killer.



This is, of course, providing that ThunderBolt isn't "standard" LightPeak, which given Apple's involvement in the creation of the spec seems unlikely.

Firewire (yeah the real one) has made inroads in most camera applications for pros, so task accomplished for apple, no need to make on every pc as well, why should apple care?). Firewire was established where it should have been, and the stupid, unavoidable, and less advanced usb is used for the rest since it's a standard.
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