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A new report shows that Apple has recently stepped up internal testing of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, and also hints that the forthcoming operating system update could feature a new user interface design the next time it is publicly shown.

With Lion set to launch this summer, TechCrunch reported Wednesday that the appearance of machines on its tracking logs running an internal beta of the operating system has seen a "surge of usage in recent weeks." Appearances of Mac OS X 10.7 reportedly peaked in late August and early September of 2010, but fell off a bit until recently, suggesting that Apple is engaged in full-scale internal testing of the operating system update.

The report from author MG Siegler also hinted that Apple may have "a few surprises" up its sleeve with respect to Lion.

"One of these is a much-anticipated UI overhaul," the report reads. "But that means that developers are going to need to be ready when it rolls out. And along those lines, we're hearing that a developer beta should begin soon."

Apple first showed of Mac OS X 10.7 last October in a live demonstration. The "Back to the Mac" event was given its name because Apple is bringing certain features from its iOS mobile operating system to the Mac platform.

Systems running Mac OS X 10.7 Lion as tracked online by TechCrunch.

Lion will introduce new multi-touch gestures and application home screens, much like on the iPhone and iPad. It will also feature the ability to run applications in full-screen, as well as automatic saving and resuming of the software's status.

Another major feature is the Mac App Store, which was first introduced to Lion's predecessor, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, in early January. Like its iOS counterpart, the Mac App Store allows users to purchase and download software, and manage and update their applications.
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I'd expect nothing less. Why would you make a major release that looks the same as the last?
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... this needs to be a major release; arguably the biggest, baddest, King of All Releases. It needs to be so totally awesome that it sends Steve Ballmer into a downward spiral of depression, pills, and deteriorating personal hygiene.

But hey -- no pressure, Apple!
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[Well I would hope so: never understood the LaunchPad option: it displays all the Application icons on your desktop while they're also available in the Dock. I mean; this creates two places to launch an app from within a singel view. Different, but similar to Windows QuickLaunch Toolbar
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Hope so! I love the way it looks now, but I agree w other posts.
Make it new and even more awesome
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... this needs to be a major release; arguably the biggest, baddest, King of All Releases. It needs to be so totally awesome that it sends Steve Ballmer into a downward spiral of depression, pills, and deteriorating personal hygiene.

But hey -- no pressure, Apple!

And how would this be different from his normal condition?\

Ok, I don't know about depression or pills in Ballmer's life, but hygiene... that man breaks into a sweat just breathing.
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[Well I would hope so: never understood the LaunchPad option: it displays all the Application icons on your desktop while they're also available in the Dock. I mean; this creates two places to launch an app from within a singel view. Different, but similar to Windows QuickLaunch Toolbar

The LaunchPad view makes the Mac desktop more similar to the home screen on iOS devices.
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion.

I wonder if perhaps it will be not only the biggest, baddest OS ever, but also the last computer OS from Apple.

"Computers are trucks."

Is Apple, who makes so much money in consumer electronics, going to continue to spend their wheels in the trucking business where they've garnered at most a 10% market share after 20 years of trying? Hard to say.

We saw what "Back to the Mac" meant. It didn't mean bringing the company's focus back to the Mac, it meant bringing iOS features to Mac.

Maybe the two will merge....

They can still leave the jungle and dive into the ocean, where there are barracudas and sharks. But maybe they prefer creatures up in the air like falcons and eagles. You name it. So plenty of OSes to follow and not so much to worry. Besides this more merging of the two Oses will certainly follow
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion.

I wonder if perhaps it will be not only the biggest, baddest OS ever, but also the last computer OS from Apple.

"Computers are trucks."

Is Apple, who makes so much money in consumer electronics, going to continue to spend their wheels in the trucking business where they've garnered at most a 10% market share after 20 years of trying? Hard to say.

We saw what "Back to the Mac" meant. It didn't mean bringing the company's focus back to the Mac, it meant bringing iOS features to Mac.

Maybe the two will merge....

  1. How many of these mythical lions live in the jungle?
  2. With Apple doing Leopard then Snow Leopard with little in the way of GUI changes, its possible theyll do Mountain Lion next as a backend overhaul to Lion. As another poster on this forums pointed out, this isnt unlike the tick/tock method that Intel does.
  3. You just keep thinking that Apple will close its doors and stop making OSes for their HW.
  4. If youre going to troll you need to try a little harder than that.
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I'd expect nothing less. Why would you make a major release that looks the same as the last?

Because it has matured as a technology stream.

You don't see radical new hammers that require a learning curve anymore, or drills, or many many tech streams. Not that they aren't still evolving it's just that their user interface has been sorted out.

If the UI revision rate of OS's is anything to go by then we are barely passed rock+stick+twine.

Computer UI's are quite pathetic. I don't see them as example of how advanced we are, look to the hammer for that.
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To be honest, I'm perfectly fine with macosx current UI design, sure they can add a few more features to it. So far osx is the most advanced unix on the desktop in this modern era.
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion.

I wonder if perhaps it will be not only the biggest, baddest OS ever, but also the last computer OS from Apple.

"Computers are trucks."

Is Apple, who makes so much money in consumer electronics, going to continue to spend their wheels in the trucking business where they've garnered at most a 10% market share after 20 years of trying? Hard to say.

We saw what "Back to the Mac" meant. It didn't mean bringing the company's focus back to the Mac, it meant bringing iOS features to Mac.

Maybe the two will merge....

You trolls never get tired of spouting this nonsense, do you?

No, it's not hard at all to say whether they will walk away from their Mac business. It's a stupid question to even ask. It's a rapidly growing Fortune 110 business that brings in ~$25Billion on its own, and the Lion's share of PC profits. If Lion is the last of anything, it will be the last of the 10.x line and the next version will be 11.0, with a different set of names.
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Can we all agree to stop saying that the Mac App Store is a feature of OS X Lion?

I don't get why people keep saying that.
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You trolls never get tired of spouting this nonsense, do you?

No, it's not hard at all to say whether they will walk away from their Mac business. It's a stupid question to even ask. It's a rapidly growing Fortune 110 business that brings in ~$25Billion on its own, and the Lion's share of PC profits. If Lion is the last of anything, it will be the last of the 10.x line and the next version will be 11.0, with a different set of names.

My only question on the next version after lion, if it's an 11.0, would it still be OS X, or OS XI?
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Awesome. Look to now have elements of: Aqua, Chrome, Stacks, iOS all mixed together. Look for some apps with close/open buttons in one location, other apps having them in other locations. Look for some apps to run full screen others that won't. They'll now also probably add a 3rd wait icon in addition to a stopwatch and spinning beach ball. And the finder will still suck. And Safari will still regularly panic.
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My only question on the next version after lion, if it's an 11.0, would it still be OS X?

I doubt very much they would rebrand it since they understand very well the value of brands. Most likely it will just be Mac OS X v11.0. This will freak out the literalists who will insist that the X == Roman numeral for decimal 10 and it should be Mac OS XI v11.0, but at this point it's just part of a brand name so it doesn't really matter. Besides, the redundancy police would remain upset if it became OS XI v11.0. You can't make everyone happy.
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Bring on resolution independence!!! Also, a nice messaging system would be nice.
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If they're doing some major to the UI like a 3D workspace, it may be time for Mac OS XI.
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A new report shows that Apple has recently stepped up internal testing of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, and also hints that the forthcoming operating system update could feature a new user interface design the next time it is publicly shown....

This sounds more like an echo chamber than fact. When I read the report it sounds only like they are referring to the new UI features already displayed (that we already knew were happening). Then AppleInsider regurgitates it as "even more new UI" when in fact this is what we already knew about. It's just one rumour feeding off the next, but hey, I guess it's good for AppleInsider's click business.
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Awesome. Look to now have elements of: Aqua, Chrome, Stacks, iOS all mixed together. Look for some apps with close/open buttons in one location, other apps having them in other locations. Look for some apps to run full screen others that won't. They'll now also probably add a 3rd wait icon in addition to a stopwatch and spinning beach ball. And the finder will still suck. And Safari will still regularly panic.

..And iTunes will continue to grow as bloatware. I was actually pleasantly surprised that the Mac App Store wasn't shoved into iTunes. And no, I don't want to see separate audio/video applications, but decoupling all of the syncing bloatware would be good. And here's a weird idea, how about making it better at actually managing your media (I mean why does it suck so bad dealing with multiple artist tracks and why is there no way for it to actually show episode numbers in your video library?).

A pet peeve of mine is with 32-bit and 64-bit entries in System Settings. If you click on a 32-bit entry, you're given a message box saying it has to close and reopen. And then you have to click on it again to actually open it. Couldn't this just be seamless and do all that automatically without user intervention?

It's sort of funny hearing about a full screen mode. Haven't Mac users been mocking Windows full screen mode for years?
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[Well I would hope so: never understood the LaunchPad option: it displays all the Application icons on your desktop while they're also available in the Dock. I mean; this creates two places to launch an app from within a singel view. Different, but similar to Windows QuickLaunch Toolbar

Simple concept. The launchpad let's you switch between currently running apps, like command-tab but sexier. The dock, u put in it what you want for ease of access. Sling overlap in functions, but different nevertheless. Multiple methods of instant access can only be a good think.

Windows task bar is a direct rip off (and a poor one at that) of the dock, so doesn't even factor in e conversation.

Apple rule in customer interface design, this next release will be no different.
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..And iTunes will continue to grow as bloatware. I was actually pleasantly surprised that the Mac App Store wasn't shoved into iTunes. And no, I don't want to see separate audio/video applications, but decoupling all of the syncing bloatware would be good. And here's a weird idea, how about making it better at actually managing your media (I mean why does it suck so bad dealing with multiple artist tracks and why is there no way for it to actually show episode numbers in your video library?).

A pet peeve of mine is with 32-bit and 64-bit entries in System Settings. If you click on a 32-bit entry, you're given a message box saying it has to close and reopen. And then you have to click on it again to actually open it. Couldn't this just be seamless and do all that automatically without user intervention?

It's sort of funny hearing about a full screen mode. Haven't Mac users been mocking Windows full screen mode for years?

When isn't 64 or 32 bit just automatic, I run both 32 and 64 bit software and never have to make any manual intervention.

Windows doesn't have full screen applications, they have maximised windows with lower task bar and top menu bar still visible, with the exception of Internet explored and a couple of others, just as apple currently (aperture springs to mind) What apple have developed here is full screen, not a maximised window.

How about we stop prejudging and criticising software we've yet to see in the wild and making negative comments based on supposition and guesswork.

Snow leopard is stunning. To improve on this, well - I can't wait to see the next chapter.
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I hope so. It is very cumbersome when, with multiple monitors, the menu bar is on one monitor and the app is on the other.
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Because it has matured as a technology stream.

You don't see radical new hammers that require a learning curve anymore, or drills, or many many tech streams. Not that they aren't still evolving it's just that their user interface has been sorted out.

If the UI revision rate of OS's is anything to go by then we are barely passed rock+stick+twine.

Computer UI's are quite pathetic. I don't see them as example of how advanced we are, look to the hammer for that.

I was speaking of the UI specifically. Hey, throw in some flashy backgrounds, screen savers, icons L&F, and you can fool a lot of people.

I'm still on Leopard and am perfectly happy with what's under the hood. Although SL was an inexpensive upgrade, I believe many people would agree they have not seen many improvements they would take advantage of. So I can't get ilife '11, mac app store, latest xcode, but my system still surpasses what the M$ guys are churning out.
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I am happy with my interface thank you very much, I want few changes (full screen is a good idea that doesn't interfere with what we already have) and these reversible. I like the aqua elements a lot I dont want to see them go.

But what I really do want is:
cloud integration with mm that is seamless
zfs (that won't happen...so sadly...)
better encryption features integrated in the system
better/more intelligent itunes
opencl and grand central: it's good for them to exist as services but when are they going to be put to good use?
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They can still leave the jungle and dive into the ocean, where there are barracudas and sharks. But maybe they prefer creatures up in the air like falcons and eagles. You name it. So plenty of OSes to follow and not so much to worry. Besides this more merging of the two Oses will certainly follow

Yep many creature types to go, but I doubt Apple would ever 'go to the dogs' ...
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ah, and resolution independence, how did I forget that...
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion. ...

This is nonsense.

For starters, the male Lion is basically "second in command" of the pride, so Lioness's beat Lions hands down. The Lionesses do all the hunting, and they are the ones that hand out the kill to the pride. The big scary male Lion's often have to wait until they are told to eat.

The Lion being the "King of Beasts" or the "King of the Jungle" is just an old British meme that came about because the Lion was the animal figurehead of the British Empire. The obvious clue is that Lion's don't even live in a jungle, but rather on the savanah.

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When isn't 64 or 32 bit just automatic, I run both 32 and 64 bit software and never have to make any manual intervention.

Yes you can run both as they ship but I think you may have missed that you can manually switch between 32 and 64 and I think that is what was being mentioned. It is in the Get Info dialog box on many applications such as Mail and Safari. In Aperture I had to switch to 32 bit mode to use some older plug-ins I had.
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This is nonsense.

For starters, the male Lion is basically "second in command" of the pride, so Lioness's beat Lions hands down. The Lionesses do all the hunting, and they are the ones that hand out the kill to the pride. The big scary male Lion's often have to wait until they are told to eat.

The Lion being the "King of Beasts" or the "King of the Jungle" is just an old British meme that came about because the Lion was the animal figurehead of the British Empire. The obvious clue is that Lion's don't even live in a jungle, but rather on the savanah.


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I'd expect nothing less. Why would you make a major release that looks the same as the last?

Yes, because as we all know, the essense of an OS release is HOW IT LOOKS.
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion.

Except: Mac OS XI 11.0 Velociraptor (the first in dinosaur named OS releases)
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This is starting to become a real bugbear. This graph tells us absolutely nothing whatsoever without labeled axes. If that x axis starts at 0 and tops out at 10,000 then we're seeing a massive surge. If the graph starts at 9,000 and tops out at 10,000 then we're hardly seeing any variation at all; we're just seeing the tips of the mountains if you like.

Similarly, if the axis starts at 0 and peaks at 20, we're only seeing 5-6 more people get on their Lion Macs, and it's nothing to write about.

Sorry to be a whiner, but it's pivotal that a graph have units on its x-axis! Without any idea what the numbers involved are, it's literally a meaningless, useless graphic.
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My only question on the next version after lion, if it's an 11.0, would it still be OS X, or OS XI?

Nope. Lion is 10.7. Apple still has 10.8 and 10.9 to play with.
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Because it has matured as a technology stream.

You don't see radical new hammers that require a learning curve anymore, or drills, or many many tech streams. Not that they aren't still evolving it's just that their user interface has been sorted out.

If the UI revision rate of OS's is anything to go by then we are barely passed rock+stick+twine.

Computer UI's are quite pathetic. I don't see them as example of how advanced we are, look to the hammer for that.

People keep saying that kind of fluff, but as of what exactly they'd like to see (save for mind-reading UIs) they are as vague as The Pixies lyrics...

Most want some kind of 3D interfaces that are ill-suited to everyday tasks and have proven to be a hard-to-use gimmicky failure in every specific implementation that we know of.
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Nope. Lion is 10.7. Apple still has 10.8 and 10.9 to play with.

They even have 10.10 and 10.11 etc if they want to. 10.x is a versioning scheme, not a decimal number.

But the real question, is, will we see a "OS XI" (whatever the name they use), i.e a radical overhaul of OS X?

My guess is not for the next 6-7 years at least. There is no real need, as the OS is now mature enough. You don't see Linux, FreeBSD or Windows doing any radical redesign of their kernels or userland.
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If Lion is the last of anything, it will be the last of the 10.x line and the next version will be 11.0, with a different set of names.

Correct. They'll go for different predators family, the hyaenidae. Meet Mac OS X 11.1 Hyena
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The lion is the king of the jungle; there is nothing beyond a lion.

I wonder if perhaps it will be not only the biggest, baddest OS ever, but also the last computer OS from Apple.

"Computers are trucks."

Is Apple, who makes so much money in consumer electronics, going to continue to spend their wheels in the trucking business where they've garnered at most a 10% market share after 20 years of trying? Hard to say.

We saw what "Back to the Mac" meant. It didn't mean bringing the company's focus back to the Mac, it meant bringing iOS features to Mac.

Maybe the two will merge....

Maybe after Lion they will start naming releases after trucks? OS X Mack? Maybe that sounds too much like Macintosh.
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They can still leave the jungle and dive into the ocean, where there are barracudas and sharks. But maybe they prefer creatures up in the air like falcons and eagles. You name it. So plenty of OSes to follow and not so much to worry. Besides this more merging of the two Oses will certainly follow

Yeah, they could start in on the primates. That would be interesting. Even skipping over a few like marmosets and lemurs there would still be plenty of names. In a couple million years they might reach Mac OS Hominid.

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