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In advance of a March 2 media event where Apple is expected to unveil the next iPad, the company has begun posting promotional signage at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco.

Photos of the downtown San Francisco venue obtained by MacNN late Wednesday, show a large Apple logo surrounded by numerous colorful dots.

Invitations to the March 2 event, which contained a calendar date for March 2 being peeled away to reveal an iPad, went out to members of the media earlier this week, confirming earlier reports that had revealed the date.

Apple unveiled the original iPad at the Yerba Buena Center over a year ago. The venue has also hosted a number of other Apple product announcements over the years.

For example, last year's Sept. 1 iPod and Apple TV event was heavily focused on music and featured a guitar with an Apple logo on the outside of the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts.









It is widely believed that the next iPad will feature at least one FaceTime capable camera, though several reports have suggested that the device will have both a front- and rear-facing camera.

The touchscreen tablet will also likely have an improved anti-reflection display and will be thinner and lighter. A reliable source told AppleInsider last month that the device will feature an upgraded dual-core SGX543 graphics processor from Imagination Technologies. Apple is also expected to increase the RAM and include a faster CPU on the device.



Customers hoping for a major overhaul of the device next week, however, may be in for disappointment, as reports have surfaced that the upgrade will more closely resemble a version 1.5 upgrade than a full redesign. Earlier this month, speculation arose that Apple is planning a second iPad update for the fourth quarter of this year.

An unverified report on Wednesday suggested that Apple's initial ambitions for the March 2 iPad refresh had been deferred to an update later this year, with the models set to be released next week serving as an interim solution.

Concord Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told AppleInsider last week that a second update to the iPad will include a double-resolution display, which had originally been rumored to as an addition to the second-generation iPad. Production bottlenecks and unfeasible costs are likely the cause of the rumored delay.
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If it has a new GPU and new cameras they might call it iPad AV.
But personally I don't see why that's not a good enough upgrade to be called iPad 2, esp. if it's noticeably thinner.
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It would be pretty typical for Apple to make this release an incremental update. It would also be typical to make the one after this a more thorough reworking. The only atypical thing would be if Apple pushed up the release date of that model to fall/winter of this year.
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It would be pretty typical for Apple to make this release an incremental update. It would also be typical to make the one after this a more thorough reworking. The only atypical thing would be if Apple pushed up the release date of that model to fall/winter of this year.

when do u think we can buy it in the US
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A black Apple is on the back of the iPad... no surprise there... I think the dots are finger prints.
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i like to think the dots are pixels
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when do u think we can buy it in the US

When it's released...
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Let's not forget that the iPad 1 has not been on sale everywhere for a whole year. They rolled it out rather slowly around the world because they couldn't build them fast enough. Maybe they will go with a speed/spec bump now to keep it fresh then release iPad 2 in Sept alongside the iPod updates. Maybe they'll unify the iPod/iPad designs and release in Sept every year so they have the latest version in the shops ready for the back to school/college and christmas buying season.
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There is an obvious problem with the claim that what we're about to get is iPad 1.5. If that were the case, Apple would simply not hold a media event to unveil it.

If later today, the MacBook Pro line is unveiled without a media event that features Sandy Bridge, Thunderbolt, the OS on an SSD, and then, a week later the iPad gets a minor revision unveiled at a media event, well, imagine the negative reaction. Seems to me that if it's easy for any of us to imagine it, the folks running Apple would certainly be able to.

I get that Apple is not holding a media event today for the Macbook update because it doesn't want to steal any of intel's, well, Thunderbolt. But don't you think that if Apple had a minor revision planned for the iPad, it would simply announce that revision rather quietly.

For some reason, there is a rather curious longing to be able to regularly generate iPad rumours. So, in order for the rumours to just keep on coming despite the release of a new iPad, it has to be suggested that this update is not really an update, per se. We will get a lighter, faster iPad, with Thunderbolt, more RAM, cameras, and an enhanced screen but it will be characterized as being iPad 1.5 because wait until you see what the fall will bring. What the fall will bring, if the iPad gets all of the preceding on March 2, is a new iPod line. Why would Apple bother to update the iPad in a matter of months when it's years ahead of the competition. If the iPad we will get on March 2 sells exceptionally well and is in absolute terms a fine product, Apple will just keep on building them through to next spring, making loads of cash. What's in it for Apple to change the product so quickly?

The big question is,what's with all the rumours? What do those generating all the rumours get out of it? Rumours have always been there but I have never seen so many obviously groundless rumours generated as we've seen in the past year in connection with the iPad.
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Does anyone else think that whilst being possible, a second release of hardware this is unlikely?

If the rumors (?!?!) are true then the iPad should be receiving a processer, memory and GPU update. It may also have a slight varation to the display (not retina or anything close, but some modification.

Surely releasing a new one in 2H would be overkill - Its only about another 6 months to what would be an annual update window. Perhaps much more feasibile would be a release of iOS5 in 2H with improved notifications system, mail, maps, youtube and calander app (perhaps linked to Mobile - calander and notes being synced) - nothing overly revolutionary but positive steps in the light of Honeycomb - I love the iOS it is starting to look a little dated in some areas in comparision, Little tweaks might fit in really well. Imagiane a cover flow style scrolling of folder contents - with enlarged icons, small little refinments - that may explain the 2X icons that have been floating around.

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I get that Apple is not holding a media event today for the Macbook update because it doesn't want to steal any of intel's, well, Thunderbolt. But don't you think that if Apple had a minor revision planned for the iPad, it would simply announce that revision rather quietly?

No. The iPad is the hottest item on the market right now. Any significant change to it warrants special attention.

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i like to think the dots are pixels

Ah, the old "huge dots means they're going back to 320x240" routine.

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Does anyone else think that whilst being possible, a second release of hardware this is unlikely? Surely releasing a new one in 2H would be overkill - It's only about another 6 months to what would be an annual update window. Perhaps much more feasibile would be a release of iOS5 in 2H with improved notifications system, mail, maps, youtube and calander app (perhaps linked to Mobile - calander and notes being synced) - nothing overly revolutionary but positive steps in the light of Honeycomb

Perhaps, but not necessarily. If there's any merit to the rumors about the delays affecting the higher-resolution displays, a hardware bump in Q3 or Q4 when the better displays are more practical for Apple is reasonable (timed for either the back-to-school or holiday shopping season). And, as you point out, an iOS 5 debut around that time frame would fit Apple's "loosely defined" iOS update schedule. Next week's iPad event may outline a road map of iPad expansion as it relates to updates to iOS.

A more powerful iPad with a denser screen capable of video editing (as some desire) would be overkill for average users with less demanding needs. I think Apple will offer multiple iPad options (i.e., all the same physical size, but different specs at different price points) to meet the needs of different users.

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post #14 of 42
Rumors, speculation and wish list fantasies make every Apple product revision a .5 upgrade.
Yes some of the purported "features" will be missing but this doesn't mean the new iPad will be a stunted product not worthy of a version 2 status.

Apple has been watching the Android pads and really needs to define how much better the iPad is to anyone of those clones. 6 months from now would be too soon for another update and would only make sense if Apple wanted to realign iPad revisions with the holiday shopping season.
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i think i have this one. i think the dots are location "tokens", that will allow us to create points of interest on apple's new map overlay (based on placebase acquisition). hopefully they're also a reference to balloons as well, in honor of steve's b day. happy birthday mr jobs!
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I really don't see why this would only be a .5 update, I don't see Apple holding a special event for something that would be a 1.5. I believe it will be a full iPad 2 and as for the rumors for an iPad 3 in the fall makes no sense at all to me. The fall quarter is only 6 months away they wouldn't do an iPad 2 and then a 3 that quick.
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It will definitely be the first gadget with Thunderbolt, I agree with that.
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Correct me if my memory isn't right, but wasn't the 3GS just an incremental update to the 3G? And THAT was a big deal.
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There is an obvious problem with the claim that what we're about to get is iPad 1.5. If that were the case, Apple would simply not hold a media event to unveil it.

If later today, the MacBook Pro line is unveiled without a media event that features Sandy Bridge, Thunderbolt, the OS on an SSD, and then, a week later the iPad gets a minor revision unveiled at a media event, well, imagine the negative reaction. Seems to me that if it's easy for any of us to imagine it, the folks running Apple would certainly be able to.

I get that Apple is not holding a media event today for the Macbook update because it doesn't want to steal any of intel's, well, Thunderbolt. But don't you think that if Apple had a minor revision planned for the iPad, it would simply announce that revision rather quietly.

For some reason, there is a rather curious longing to be able to regularly generate iPad rumours. So, in order for the rumours to just keep on coming despite the release of a new iPad, it has to be suggested that this update is not really an update, per se. We will get a lighter, faster iPad, with Thunderbolt, more RAM, cameras, and an enhanced screen but it will be characterized as being iPad 1.5 because wait until you see what the fall will bring. What the fall will bring, if the iPad gets all of the preceding on March 2, is a new iPod line. Why would Apple bother to update the iPad in a matter of months when it's years ahead of the competition. If the iPad we will get on March 2 sells exceptionally well and is in absolute terms a fine product, Apple will just keep on building them through to next spring, making loads of cash. What's in it for Apple to change the product so quickly?

The big question is,what's with all the rumours? What do those generating all the rumours get out of it? Rumours have always been there but I have never seen so many obviously groundless rumours generated as we've seen in the past year in connection with the iPad.

Apple's never had a problem doing what most would consider incremental upgrades while putting on the full dog and pony show. If the iPad 2 gets CPU and memory bumps, maybe Thunderbolt, lighter, thinner case, better battery life, and some kind of improvement to the screen, Apple will treat it as a major update. Random punditry speaking of the iPad "1.5" are irrelevant to Apple's plans.

That doesn't preclude, however, Apple moving the launch of the iPad 3 up to a fall/winter timeframe. Not saying it's going to happen, just that the market Apple is working in (incredibly important for the future of the company, with a recent object lesson in the explosive growth of Android phones and an army of competitors about to launch) might prod Apple to accelerate their usual schedule of updates.

For instance, it seems likely that Apple would want to put a "retina display" on the iPad as soon as that's technically/financially feasible; it would make for a great experience and would be a killer competitive feature. If that wasn't possible now but will be in, say, September, would Apple insist on standing pat until next March or April, just because that's been their standard release cycle? By Apple's lights, however, that in no way reduces the iPad 2 to 1.5 status, anymore than the iPhone 5 made the 4 into 3.5. It would just be arriving a bit earlier, is all.
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4.3 million of the 4.5 million tablet computers sold in 3rd Qtr. of 2010 were iPads.

Think about that Google, Microsoft, Blackberry and HP.

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It will definitely be the first gadget with Thunderbolt, I agree with that.

LaCie has Thunderbolt hard drives. Too bad, iPad.

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LaCie has Thunderbolt hard drives. Too bad, iPad.



Ummm, that's a peripheral, not a gadget.
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I think Apple may have been lying this whole time about Retina Display not being available. It looks like Apple is going to double the resolution on this device while keeping the price the same as the current iPads. This will effectively kill the Zoom and all the other copy cat devices. It is going to be a very bad year for Hewlett Packard as their laptop business is getting flushed down the Apple branded toilet..

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LaCie has Thunderbolt hard drives. Too bad, iPad.

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Ummm, that's a peripheral, not a gadget.

It's also not shipping yet, it's only been announced. The new MacBooks are available now.
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I think Apple may have been lying this whole time about Retina Display not being available. It looks like Apple is going to double the resolution on this device while keeping the price the same as the current iPads. This will effectively kill the Zoom and all the other copy cat devices. It is going to be a very bad year for Hewlett Packard as their laptop business is getting flushed down the Apple branded toilet..

LOL

As much as I like the sound of the Retina Display, Thunderbolt, & all, I'm guessing we'll see front and rear cameras, thinner and lighter package, SD slot, CDMA/GSM/HSPA wireless connectivity, more storage capacity, upgraded CPU, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Being that I just bought an iPad w/3G a few months ago, I hope that next month's unveiling is at least as much as my guess or more. But if it's just an incremental update, i.e. an iPad 1.5, with only a couple of "updates", I'll sit this one out and wait until the next go-round. My PC crashed last weekend, so in the mean time I'll just spend my ipad2 money to replace it with a new MacBook Pro rather than repairing my 9-year old WinXP machine.
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SD slot

Why? Why does anyone think this? Apple doesn't want you to have convenient, expandable storage. Hence the "annoying" adapter for SD cards and the ability to only read from them to pull images down.

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Does anyone else think that whilst being possible, a second release of hardware this is unlikely?

If the rumors (?!?!) are true then the iPad should be receiving a processer, memory and GPU update. It may also have a slight varation to the display (not retina or anything close, but some modification.

Surely releasing a new one in 2H would be overkill - Its only about another 6 months to what would be an annual update window. Perhaps much more feasibile would be a release of iOS5 in 2H with improved notifications system, mail, maps, youtube and calander app (perhaps linked to Mobile - calander and notes being synced) - nothing overly revolutionary but positive steps in the light of Honeycomb - I love the iOS it is starting to look a little dated in some areas in comparision, Little tweaks might fit in really well. Imagiane a cover flow style scrolling of folder contents - with enlarged icons, small little refinments - that may explain the 2X icons that have been floating around.

Anyway Flame away!

^^ I also agree with the idea
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Anti reflection screen could be huge. People had to buy Kindle in addition to iPad simply because they wanted to be able to read with a nightstand or outside. If this new screen is noticeably less glare it will surely put a dent in kindle sales. Though I still think e-ink is better for extended reading hours then an LCD.
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post #29 of 42
Apple don't normally pre-announce anything....

...Unless there is a commercial benefit.

Normally, pre-announcement is a bad idea. Pre announced products take attention away from the current product.

But I am expecting Apple to heavily trail iOS 5.

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Normally, pre-announcement is a bad idea. Pre announced products take attention away from the current product.

Which is why Apple has never done it unless they're entering a market. They announced the Apple TV, iPhone, and iPad well in advance of release because they had no competing products themselves and were confident in their head-start. They tend to be right.

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Which is why Apple has never done it unless they're entering a market. They announced the Apple TV, iPhone, and iPad well in advance of release because they had no competing products themselves and were confident in their head-start. They tend to be right.

They also, to a lesser extent, pre-announce Apple system software, because such announcements don't harm Apple products, but do harm weaker rivals.

So I would not be surprised if Apple announced at least some of the iOS feature set.

I am expecting....
A new wireless file-syncing solution.
Far fewer reasons to tether and sync the iPad. Allowing it to become a more stand-alone device.

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A new wireless file-syncing solution.

No. Why? Wi-Fi is pathetic compared to Thunderbolt. 10Gbps vs 500Mbps.

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No. Why? Wi-Fi is pathetic compared to Thunderbolt. 10Gbps vs 500Mbps.

The speed of syncing is not limited by wires. It's not even at USB2 speed. It's bound by other factors. So Thunderbolt would not improve sync performance (for the 10 people that currently have it.)

Everyone hates syncing the iPad.
The problem is not the speed of syncing.
The problem is the necessity to sync at all.

If I am sitting in a coffee shop and want to look at my latest draft, I want to be able to pull it from the cloud, not have to drive home and plug-in.

The iPad's greatest single weakness is it's lack of autonomy. Sooner it is fixed, the better.

C.

(In the long term, I expect Thunderbolt to make it into consumer products. Replacing USB)
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No. Why? Wi-Fi is pathetic compared to Thunderbolt. 10Gbps vs 500Mbps.

Needing to plug in a data wire to wireless device is annoying. It has a network connection that could be used to sync... why not use it?

Hell, why not do away with the entire concept of periodic syncing. It could and should happen immediately without needing user intervention or thought.

Why mobile phones don't do this has baffled me for years. The number one feature should have been immediate online backup of contact lists. My iPhone can connect at least 4 different types of wireless technologies... and yet I have to plug in a cable to backup a few kilobytes of data? Idiocy!

I've got an iPad but plan on upgrading immediately. Even just a processor and ram bump would be enough motivation. Cameras? Meh. I've got one in my pocket already. When the initial design is as good as the v1.0 iPad, v2.0 iPad hardware being just an update seems quite logical.
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The speed of syncing is not limited by wires. It's not even at USB2 speed. It's bound by other factors. So Thunderbolt would not improve sync performance (for the 10 people that currently have it.)

And it will be unbound by Thunderbolt. People keep telling me that Thunderbolt is useless because the NAND flash can't write that fast or that the hard drives don't spin that fast.

I see it as "get off your butts and make faster chips now that we have a connection that can handle faster data transmission".

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Hell, why not do away with the entire concept of periodic syncing. It could and should happen immediately without needing user intervention or thought.

I absolutely agree for everything except media. For that you'll still need physical syncing, and that's where Thunderbolt shines.

Also, you are going to be forced to plug it in, anyway. It's not like we have wireless power yet. Given that you're forced to plug it in, sync that which can't be pushed across the Internet wirelessly via Thunderbolt as you charge.

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And it will be unbound by Thunderbolt.

Erm. How? The wires are not the bottleneck?


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Erm. How? The wires are not the bottleneck?

That's what I said in the sentences following.

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That's what I said in the sentences following.

There were indeed following sentences. But they didn't make sense to me.

Apple's engineers are not intentionally creating sluggish hardware because of a lack of a ridiculously fast interface. The currently sync performance is bound by all sorts of factors. And it turns out to be a lot slower than USB2 can manage.

The current biggest weakness of the iPad is the need to physically connect to a host computer. It's something I avoid. Thankfully, many app creators have devised a work-around. What is needed is a robust Apple-created solution that works with all apps and file types.

As for media. Yes a 3Gb movie would be painful to sync over WiFi. I'd happily use tethering for that kind of file syncing.

But for me, the more I can move over WiFi, the more the iPad will feel like a real computing device and not a satellite.

C.
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I absolutely agree for everything except media. For that you'll still need physical syncing, and that's where Thunderbolt shines.

Also, you are going to be forced to plug it in, anyway. It's not like we have wireless power yet. Given that you're forced to plug it in, sync that which can't be pushed across the Internet wirelessly via Thunderbolt as you charge.

My iPad is never plugged into a computer. Well not quite, but close. It was on the first day and then for subsequent iOS updates. But really, both of those should have happened wirelessly as well.

As for media, i'll grant that some people still like to store video on multiple devices. However this is an annoyance and will almost entirely disappear in the future. My iPad holds no videos but yet I can watch anything I want at any time I want... without needing to sync.

There certainly are use scenarios where local storage is critical. But these scenarios are becoming more infrequent by the day. This isn't to belittle those who still need or want local storage. Rather, the need for local storage is rapidly on the decline. Remember when people used to put pictures on their phones to share? That had an amazingly short lifespan. While it is still done, a large percentage of people have moved to facebook or some other internet based alternative.

It isn't that plugging in is bad. More precisely, it is that being required to plug in is bad. Wireless syncing should be the norm while wired syncing preserved for those who need it.
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It isn't that plugging in is bad. More precisely, it is that being required to plug in is bad. Wireless syncing should be the norm while wired syncing preserved for those who need it.

I really hope that iOS5 signals the end of the need to tether.

If this goes, so will the need for iTunes.

I understand why Apple rolled so much functionality into iTunes, but the resulting mess is inelegant and bulky.

C.
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