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Apple can't afford not to charge for Macs. That's the "it" you're talking about, not FaceTime.

So long as Apple charges for Macs, adding substantially new features to the Mac operating system would change the "Macintosh product" being accounted for.

No, that's the "it" you're trying to justify.

It's called rationalization. Just because something can be rationalized to a degree doesn't mean it's right.

I'm not trying to justify or rationalize anything. Many have attributed this charge to malice or greed on Apple's part. That was my initial reaction too. But the reason why Apple is charging the fee for this software has to do with accounting for Macintosh hardware sales.

As i said, i don't like the fee (it rubs me the wrong way), and i personally intend to avoid it. But i now understand why Apple is doing this. And i personally don't fault them for it, even though i don't like it. They're just trying to protect themselves from regulators and lawyers.


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Does background operation really matter?

As i've already said: Personally, i don't feel this makes FaceTime part of Mac OS X. But it is an argument which could be made, and is possible could prevail in a court of law.

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The App Store is only for Mac OS X, not for Windows, not for Linux, not for iOS. FaceTime and App Store are both Mac OS X enhancements.

Just because an app can only run on the Mac, doesn't make it part of the Macintosh hardware product. Therein is the acid test. Mac OS X is considered part of the Mac hardware product.

The App Store is clearly a standalone app, just like Safari. And just like Safari, it's being released standalone before Apple bundles it with Mac OS X. As such, neither can be construed as part of Mac OS X, per se. Independent product, so it has no impact on Mac accounting.

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Personally, i don't feel this makes FaceTime part of Mac OS X. But it is an argument which could be made, and is possible could prevail in a court of law, where a technically clueless judge or jury may be making decisions beyond their areas of competence. Therefore, i can understand where Apple might choose to circumvent legal issues by charging a nominal fee for FaceTime for Snow Leopard.

You're then basically saying App Store is being charged for because Apple has decided to, not because the law decidedly requires it.

No. I'm saying because the App Store isn't tied to Mac hardware the way Mac OS X is, Apple is unencumbered by the GAAP in its regard. However, because Facetime could be construed to be part of Mac OS X, Apple perceives itself as encumbered by GAAP and is therefore charging a nominal fee for it.

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Safari was a free standalone app initially. It was subsequently bundled with the OS.

Did Apple charge for it?

No. It was always free.

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Safari was a free standalone app initially. It was subsequently bundled with the OS.

Yeah? And it came out of beta for free long before it was bundled with any version of Mac OS X.

Safari was in beta when this went into effect. Safari came out of beta under its jurisdiction. Safari was free. This charging thing is crap.

You're missing the point. Safari was never encumbered by the GAAP, because it was always a free standalone app. It was never tied to the Mac hardware per se.
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You're missing the point. Safari was never encumbered by the GAAP, because it was always a free standalone app. It was never tied to the Mac hardware per se.

FaceTime's not tied to Apple hardware, either. Apple could easily release a version for Windows, so I'm a little confused at your reasoning.
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Actually, not having a Windows client is what keeps this thing a novelty. But I wonder, if they have to charge Mac users, does that mean they'll have to charge Windows users too?.

Not unless you can figure out a way that a Windows Facetime app could be construed as part of the Macinotsh hardware product.

I doubt Apple would be interested in producing a Windows client, however. Too much work to support the various hardware configurations, and not that important to driving the adoption of the Facetime standard. It's iOS devices which will drive it (or not). The Mac client is just a way to add more value to the Mac platform.
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FaceTime's not tied to Apple hardware, either. Apple could easily release a version for Windows, so I'm a little confused at your reasoning.

That's already been addressed. Short recap: Facetime app construed as part of Mac OS X because it has a background process. Therefore it's considered as "adding a major new feature" to the Mac hardware product. Therefore it's subject to GAAP.
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I don't see how anybody can say it's a "major feature" either. You already have iChat on the computer, which enables video chatting. FaceTime is merely a standard. It's just like downloading another videochat client. By this rationale, if Apple built-in FaceTime into iChat, they'd have to charge people for it?

I tend to agree that it's one heck of a weak "major new feature." But it's a grey area which could be argued either way. Apple is simply trying to protect its ass from the regulators and lawyers by not taking any chances.

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Something doesn't seem quite right here. Either the law is wrong here

Bingo! Thank you very much you greedy bastards at Enron, Tyco, WorldCom et al for bringing the SarbanesOxley Act upon us!

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(and it should be changed if it is....that's just anti-consumer), or Apple is. I'd like to see more on who's at fault here.

Actually, the law was changed. Well, the GAAP was changed, and that's what this is all about. It's the same issue which prompted Apple to charge for iOS updates for the iPod Touch, but not the very same updates on the iPhone. The two devices were accounted for differently. Apple lobbied to have the GAAP changed, it was, and Apple restated their accounting as a result (and at some expense).

Same issue here. Apple has two choices: Restate all their Mac hardware sales accounting, at considerable expense, or just charge a nominal fee until Lion comes out. Apple isn't going to do the former. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't accomplish the task before Lion ships anyhow. So you have two choices: Pay the 99¢, or wait until Lion. I'm opting for the latter, myself. Your mileage may vary.
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