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Isn't thunderbolt( I like lightpeak better) an intel controller? Would it have to be integrated with the ipad(not intel) chip set?

Yes, I guess hard work is old fashioned these days. I take it you are thoroughly modern?

Ahh.. a cartoon reference. Another guy proving my point.

excuse me, but why the heck do these photos of a mockup iPad case continue to be considered a reliable predictor of the next-gen ipad? Anybody can whip up a prototype of what they THINK something will look like. These photos have been floating around for months, and nothing about them screams "legitimate leak."

Sorry I'm just reading this different, have to disagree about TB, ignoring the political gibberish that he added, his response to the original op didn't seem to jive. IMO light peak is more for highend uses and fast large file transfer(think hd movies)

For everyday uses(the original ops issue), like making presentations, airplay, wifi etc is much preferred. Yes it's not every where... Yet. Wires is so 'computing' yesterday.

Well, your response proved everyone elses... You're hilarious, keep posting, its a nice break from the serious posts.

Yes for children with great common sense than a moronic adult like you.

Maybe your kid has been castigating you for not exercising common sense in buying a tech device. [double smiley]

Moral lesson: Just because you are an adult doesn't mean that the children can't teach you things you ought to already know as an adult.

I have an iPad, I work for IBM. While I love my iPad make no mistake its a toy. Ther isn't any critical work I do at my job that can be done on my iPad. There is nothing wrong with a product being for pleasure.

Thunderbolt could very well turn out to be great or it could turn out to be the next firewire which has been dead for a while now. Its been dead to even Steve Jobs for a while now.

This is what I hope and would like to see as the multitasking implementation on the iPad rather than that stupid tray at the bottom. They're bringing iOS features to OSX but it's time to bring OSX features to iOS.

I dont think that is improbable. Its backwards compatible with other protocols, its hella fast, it offers more power than USB (though not as much as FireWire), and the port interface is completely free.

The problem with FireWire was the excessive and ridiculous tariff Apple placed on the technology. That simply isnt the case with Thunderbolt. Its also copper which makes it much more cost effective and useful for cheaper electronics than optical would have been, not to mention the cost of having to use a convertor from optical to copper to attach devices that only have electtical-based connectors, regardless of the protocol used.

Someone on this forum mentioned a rumour that the USB-IF told Intel they could not use the USB port interface for Light Peak. If this is true I think it will cause an accelerated switch from USB to Thunderbolt while also pushing mDP over both DP and DVI connectors.

I've been using iPads on films & TV shoots since they came out. I've made sure most of the crew has them. I have my storyboard, script and shot list on it, as well as a feed (depending on the situation). Most of the costume, production design and continuity people have them. The DP's take notes on them. Etc., etc. I even finished a first draft of a recent novel on one. Oddly, I've never been able to do any of those things on my son's DSi, or his Wii or his XBox 360, etc.

For me, it's hardly a toy.

The iPad being a "toy" displaces a lot of high-end devices in the market. Isn't that amazing?

Wait till Apple "gets serious" and releases a device that's more than a toy. I guess it will displace not only devices, but people like you out of the work force.

That is very unfair. Not being fundamental to your job doesnt mean it isnt useful for business for others. In fact, I know of a few teachers that have moved from the schools computers to iPads for their presentations as it gives them a lot more control, even allowing them to interact with some elements in real time in 3D (though Im not sure how). I know others that are waiting for the iWork updates that will allow them to untether from the VGA cable so they can stream wirelessly to the projector.

Perhaps that is an IBM issue rather than an iPad issue.

There is nothing bad about the iPad being used for pleasure consumption (games, movies, news and mass media viewing, etc., etc.)

Are you concluding that just because you and the other poster you seem to be defending, fing the iPad simply a toy or a pleasure device, other people, organizations, institutions and companies cannot find productive, serious, and work-related uses for the iPad (and other tablets):

1. Restaurants are buying iPads to give their low-paid waiters/waitresses something to play with when there are no clients, and to give their customers something to play with while waiting for services.
2. Banks. car makers and other sales-oriented companies do not want their sales force to get bored and need a toy for consumption while on the field. or to entertain their customers and clients
3. Medical schools and other college and university departments are providing their students iPads as enticing fancy toy because they could not fill up their incoming student quota
4. The US Defense Department (as well as those in the UK) are creating toy Apps because soldiers get bored while on the field in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other areas of combats
5. More than 80% of the Top 100 Fortune companies are creating toy Apps specially for the iPad because they don't want their bored staff to use company computers while playing at work
6. Hospitals and other biomedical institutions are creating special entertainment Apps for the operating room because they don't want their surgeons to sleep while operating on patients, or they want their nurses, physicians and other medical staff to have something to distract themselves rather than listen to pathetic complaints of patients
7. Artists buy iPads just because they would rather play games, watch movies, read books, etc. than create digital arts
8. Many executives prefer to bring their iPad (instead of their laptop) during travels simply because they want nothing but pleasure and consumption while on trip
9. Other companies (Microsoft, Motorola, HP, Google and Android manufacturers, etc.) are investing so much time creating "iPad killers" because they finallly discovered a gadget that many people will buy simply for consumption, and love toy products.

I could go on with more examples, of how people, companies, organizations, institutions buy the iPad because the iPad is indeed a toy. and for the first time more than 15 million bought IPads because they finally found a toy that they can enjoy or entertain their staff. And, they just got tired of their iPhones, iPods and iPod touch as toys coming from the "Apple Toy Company".

About right? Or, if you want to be more informed just go out in the field, talk to people, read papers, magazines including in the biomedical field to find what people do with their iPad, instead of viewing the world from your cubicle/office in IBM.


That's not exactly accurate, IBM is one of the companies trying the IPhone and the IPad, for use in the company. I doubt a tech company, as serious as IBM would even spend time doing so, if indeed as extremeskater suggested, that there is nothing in IBM that can use the iPad.

I am sure even a stodgy IBM executive would know that it is not practical to bring one of their main computers (like the Jeopardy winner) when their salesforce meet with clients. And, a savvy sales person would know that it is easier to use a tablet to provide impromptu "show and tell" to prospective clients,

All those "iPad killer" manufacturers suddenly found the potential of tablets, after Apple showed them the way -- and they want to have a piece of the pie.


And how do you think other people infer of you, from your responses? The sage of the Apple Insider forum, perhaps?

CGC

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I remember the late 1950s-1960s... Mainframe computers replaced legacy accounting machines. manual accounting systems.

I remember the late 1960s-1970s... Mini computers replaced legacy mainframe computers,

I remember the late 1970s-1980s... Personal computers replaced legacy mini computers,

I remember 2010-2011... iPads replaced legacy personal computers,

We still have legacy systems as vestiges of the past -- likely, we always will.

But the center of action has shifted -- the next several years belong to the iPad (and anything that can compete).


You can, resist, joke, demean them, call them toys... that's all happened before. by those with an investment in the status quo.

It ain't gonna' matter -- you can't harness the future -- only try to to keep pace...

Who amongst us doesn't know this -- Google, Sammy. Toshiba, Moto. RIM. MSFT, HP, LG. IBM, Adobe, Autodesk, Citrix...

Apple knows, & you and I know, too...

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Thank you. I wonder how many people here who insist the iPad is a professional tool have actually tried to get work done on one. I grant there could be a few niches (such as education) but to call it a professional tool *in general* would be grossly misleading. In general it's a media consumption/light gaming device (which to any serious person means a toy).

Mmmm... either you or your employer are on the wrong page...

IBM Supports Enterprise iPad Adoption with Lotus Notes Traveler for iPad

http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterpri...r-for-ipad.php

I already pointed out how I get lots of work done, as do others on my shoots. It's all across the industry.

Details get on the way of a black and white view of the world, when one can make "conclusions"and "deep insights" simply from personal experience.

"If it does not work for me, why would others have any use for it?" Quite more logical, ain't it? And, it is definitely faster to sum up things.


And being the serious person that you are, you have done extensive study on this? Visited sites, talked to people, etc., since the IPad came out? Travelled to other parts of the world to see how other cultures are using the iPad?

In all seriousness, you being the only serious person here, why so much fuzz by all those companies placing so much money, and resources, trying to create tablets, after the iPad came out?

Did all those companies suddenly have a collective epiphany:
"Yeah, creating more toys is the future of our company!"

Just for the record, it is only you who seem to think that a device can either be "serious" or a "toy". What a great discovery.
CGC

Does anyone here honestly believe ascii isn't using the term 'toy' in the most perjprative way possible?



I've used Lotus Notes so I can understand how someone being forced to use it on the iPad could very the experience as not fit for business.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...nterprise.html

I disagree. The iPad is whatever you make of it, and some people are using them in very innovative ways. For my particular area of interest, which happens to be music, the iPad has been nothing short of revolutionary, with many cool apps which aid in music production and using the iPad as an external control device.

The fact that the iPad is a real easy to use, wireless, multitouch tablet opens up many new possibilities which simply weren't possible before.

Actually, when I worked for IBM, I worked for the man who later was responsible for the aquisition of Lotus and the incorporation of Lotus software into the IBM offerings.

I had left IBM (to start some personal computer stores) but years later this friend came to visit.

Our conversation led to personal computers -- I had Macs.

I booted my Mac, ran some Mac Excel spread sheets, Mac Word docs, etc, -- then printed them on my LaserWriter..

His IBM ThinkPad never even finished booting after 5 minutes..


...so. maybe usability is a function of the software (OS) --and not so much the device.

I saw a prerelease of Lotus 1/2/3 when Mitch first wrote it -- it was OK, but inferior to the MS offerings of Excel and Word.

Never bothered to investigate Lotus Notes -- But IBM seemed to think it was/is an important offering.

One final note (pun) -- I worked for IBM for 16.5 years (DP Division) and am quite familiar with their approach to software UIs -- bulletproof trumps usability every time!

And this one:

http://ipadpilots.k12cloudlearning.com/

I don't mean to pick on you -- but I was employed by IBM for 16.5 years in various capacities (headquarters, and field) in the Data Processing Division (market, sell and support computers -- mostly mainframe some minis).

I can think of hundreds or thousands of things I could have used an iPad for.

What is your job at IBM? Do you deal with customers?

Seriously, I'd really like to know why you have no use for an always available, instant-on information appliance.

Do you have a schedule, contacts, appointments, keep a calendar, make to do lists, access your work computer network, send/receive mail, write letters...

I love the "iPad is a toy" debate.

There are certain professions that the iPad works wonders for; others that it can't do much for. Such is life. One example where the iPad shines: teaching English in a foreign country.

It is entirely possible for a teacher to create classroom materials, presentations and handouts almost exclusively on the iPad. Photos and videos can be brought in from an iPhone, but the rest can be done on the iPad. In class, the iPad can be used to present material as is, attached to a TV or with external speakers attached. The teacher can also maintain his schedule and communicate with students via email all from the iPad. Materials created in Pages can be sent as PDFs to students. Students can mark them up on their own iPads and send the back. Drawings can be made in the various panting apps; animations, too. Teachers can even keep records about their students, yep, right on the iPad.

This is being done right now, and it is much easier than lugging a laptop around, even an 11" MBA. There is no way you can work on a laptop on a train during rush hour in some places.

The iPad can be extremely creative, in creative hands. It is certainly not just a toy.

For all those that are merely expecting a small update to IPAD2 be prepared for a surprise as Apple is known for. Just adding 2 cameras and a faster CPU wouldn't really do the trick. I have a feeling that we're in for an unexpected surprise. ( I certainly hope so)

Lots of people will be extremely disappointed anyways. Even if they lowered the price to $10 with a free 5-year 3G plan with free international roaming. And 5 USB ports and a 600-hour battery. And cut the weight by 90%. And...

In the first link the lady uses her iPad to play sales videos, visit sales websites and read work emails. She also uses it "for personal banking, e-mail and to look up flights while traveling, and to read magazines." Not exactly heavyweight stuff. And she complains about the absense of Flash. I actually think a Macbook Air would be better for her.

The second link is a bunch of corporate trials. Like anyone I am interested to see how they turn out, but they're just trials for now. If we look at something more concrete than trials, such as the current iPad top paid apps list we see 6 of the top 10 are games, including all of the top 3. On the unpaid list 8 are games, 1 is entertainment, 1 is social networking.

Look, I have an iPad and I'm not saying it's sh*t. I'm just saying it is what it is, and if you stop imagining the possibilites for 1 second, and take a good look at what people are actually using it for, you might see my point of view.

The US Army uses iPads:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10813964

Doctors use iPads in OR rooms.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_599200.html

Come on. How much more do you need? People are actually using it to teach, save lives, make money, learn languages. Once again, IN THE RIGHT HANDS, and yes, circumstances, the iPad is an amazingly productive device

And have you asked yourself why those things are in the news? Because they are exceptional (i.e. not the normal) uses maybe?

And we're just saying that you have the capacity for out-of-the-box thinking of, oh, an IBM-er.

I hope it arrives in stores in April/May because I really want the new MacBook Pro in March and I don't think I can afford both or decide on which first.

Whatever.

All we're getting from October 2010 to October 2011 is:
New MacBook Airs
The App Store for Macs
2x faster MacBook Pros
A new Ultra-fast I/O
A new version of OS X
A complete revamp of Final Cut Pro

I wish Apple would just focus on their computers once in awhile! /sarcasm

Some people just don't want to hear about successful uses for an iPad, business or not. The current iPad is far from perfect in this regards but that doesn't mean many industries haven't seen the light. At the same time I can see where some business would never find a use for iPad.

In any event I just object to the absolutes seen here. That is the claims that iPad or iPhone for that matter has no legitimate business use. It is sad that people can't see beyound their own situations.

What is even more surprising is the fast adoption this hardware has seen even as the software library grows slowly. It is pretty impressive to see iPad take off the way it has from introduction in the business community. It did so with a minimal amount of software at the start, that tells me the platform serves an untapped need for many businesses.

The comment wasn't so much about politics as it was the entitlement culture. Many people so disposed are Democrats thus the focus of the comment. I just find it hilarious that somebody would bring brand new technology to a venue and expect it to be supported. The mention of others doing the same thing just makes it funnier. Apparently not one of these guys could afford an Apple TV.

I don't see it as a replacement for USB in the near term. In fact I'm perplexed my other threads in the forums where people see TB as a USB replacement. In any event for TB to be commercially accepted it has to find placement in a lot more devices than at the high end. The chip costs, both $$ and board space will keep TB out of the low end for sometime to come. In fact in the iPad I suspect Apple will need to implement the interface into the SoC before we see it.

That may be the case and frankly I even acknowledged that as the case. It is pretty obvious if you are standing in front of a crowd no wires is better. However that is by no means an excuse to remove wired ports. Again we have this attitude of "I don't want it or need it so nobody else should need it". There are just to many cases where RF communications isn't the answer.

Sounds like a rather dysfunctional bunch, all around. A big family get-together shouldn't feature family members splintered off in such a disheartening fashion, some "creating things" aka working and others isolating themselves from the rest of the group because they're too bored to spend time interacting with their clan.