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post #41 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

Am I the only one who thinks that dumbing down a system for people who don't want to learn how to use their computer is bad? AppleInsider, stop sucking off Apple. There are no "complex key commands" for Spaces, it's ctrl+arrow keys. Apparently, because I still use a keyboard, I am no longer part of Apple's target audience. Similarly, there is absolutely nothing hard about "Macintosh HD --> Applications" to find all of my programs. The only problem with this is that OS X hides mounted disks on the desktop by default, which is idiotic anyway.
My 50 year old mother, who clicks and drags scroll bars because she doesn't know how to use a scroll wheel, can use Spotlight to find anything because it is literally that easy.

Also, I bought a MacBook Pro with a 17" display for a reason. Making things like iTunes, iCal, and Mail be full-screen apps is fucking stupid, and a waste of the 2.3 million pixels on my screen. I love Apple, but they need to get it together,

And finally, fuck gestures. Keyboard shortcuts are faster and easier, and require less movement.

there are still new things for you to love. I promise.
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post #42 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:17pm
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- Mission Control doesn't look that great with the little windows and big one at the bottom. The current Exposé is much better IMO.

There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)


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With more gestures, I hope they stick the trackpad onto the keyboards in future though as long as they keep the numpad.

Perhaps you've missed this:

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post #43 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by dolphin0611 View Post

Could someone explain why I can't see the videos, please. I am using Firefox 3.6 on my Mac with Snow Leopard. Interestingly, I can see the videos in Safari. Do I need a plug-in or something? All I get is a grey box with an 'X' in the middle.

Firefox doesn't support HTML5 video using H.264. So scrape up some money and buy a real browser and leave free software to people who just play Tux Racer.
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post #44 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

an't think of right now, before adding a useless full-screen iCal, or a redundant Launchpad.


I work in the IT field at a big university. I help these people every day, and I know exactly how they use computers. I also know that very few people are willing to try to figure out how to do anything by themselves, and I never said anything to the contrary. People should learn how to use their computers though.

NO they shouldn't !

Computers are TOOLS ! Tools have to be EASIER and more EFFICIENT ! _I_ WORK in IT field : I'm a LINUX sysadmin and I help people everyday TOO.

and I say : computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !

I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.

Apple add many exciting features to Lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a LOT, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.

it's GOOD. even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do MORE interesting works.

when you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have MORE time to do real interesting things : creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.

Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.

Yes it's true : more and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".


it's good. it's the good thing.

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be assured the Terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in Os X Lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )
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post #45 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by mbarriault View Post

I actually haven't heard of anyone talk about Lion's NDA - I don't think it exists.

Yes, lion is under NDA until it ships. But these things don't stop sites like appleinsider spreading content from lion all over the site. Maybe it's time appleinsider went the way of thinksecret?
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post #46 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Worrying.


Using Opera, perhaps?
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post #47 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:41pm
It's also possible to literally "escape" from an app's full screen mode by pressing Escape.
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post #48 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:45pm
Whisking between full screen apps is awesome, reminds me of the Amiga in the 80s where each app had it's own screen. However the current Dashboard where it zooms in from behind you and overlays the desktop is very intuitive, and a logical model for widgets, and they should keep it I think.

Having the Dock *and* Launchpad is kind of confusing, they should either bite the bullet and dump the Dock or else make Launchpad somehow connected to/integrated with the Dock, just so there's not two separate things to do the one task.
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post #49 of 143
2/26/11 at 6:48pm
Why are so many people saying "I have to admit... this looks pretty good, etc". Like you finally concede that Apple maybe, might possibly, if not by a total lucky fluke, come up with some decent software.
Yeah, liked who ever would have thunk it?
Apple come up with a decent new OS? Ha! not bloody well likely!!
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post #50 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by PaulSorensen View Post

Out of interest have you guys heard of NDAs?

Either you're breaking one yourself or assisting someone else break one.

I highly doubt that Apple put an NDA on the preview every developer can download. If they were that worried, they wouldn't have don the release.

Plus some of this info is from Apple's own public comments


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My apologies. Will not happen again. Though, for what it's worth, "f***" (which i see enough people here using) is no less offensive than actually spelling the word out.

it is also no less needed. You claim to work tech at a university. Which implies you are smart enough to make your point without resorting to the use of vulgar language.

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Originally Posted by iPedro View Post

Yet, there's a reason why you're not still using System 7...

Yeah. They don't make it and it likely wouldn't work with current hardware.

I'll add another concern to the whole 'this better be optional' - accessibility. I worry that these things could be, at least for a time, less accessible than the current system.
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post #51 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by oomu View Post

no they shouldn't !

Computers are tools ! Tools have to be easier and more efficient ! _i_ work in it field : I'm a linux sysadmin and i help people everyday too.

And i say : Computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !

I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.

Apple add many exciting features to lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a lot, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.

It's good. Even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do more interesting works.

When you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have more time to do real interesting things : Creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.

Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.

Yes it's true : More and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".


It's good. It's the good thing.

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be assured the terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in os x lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )

amen.
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post #52 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Worrying.


So did I.
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post #53 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

Am I the only one who thinks that dumbing down a system for people who don't want to learn how to use their computer is bad?

Yes, you're the only one. It's not dumbing down, it's simplifying things (gestures require one hand, keystrokes can require two). And if you use both a computer and a handheld device like the iPad, it adds a common experience.

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And finally, fuck gestures. Keyboard shortcuts are faster and easier, and require less movement.

So don't use gestures (and thanks for the profanity, it really helps).
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post #54 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by mbarriault View Post

Maybe I missed something, but the title implies there was new features to the Dock, but nothing is said about it.

It's not just you, no new dock, the tile really should be changed. \
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post #55 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:40pm
When using Spaces, I would still like the ability to set different background pictures for each Space.

And I actually liked the Dashboard over the dimmed desktop. Made it easier to use certain widgets like Calculator or Movies for example, based on the information currently displayed in a web page.
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post #56 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by iPedro View Post

There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)

Ah, I think I remember that from a previous demo. Yeah, that should be fine.

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Perhaps you've missed this

The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free. If it would make it affordable, I think they should make a new keyboard/trackpad hybrid like this:



Size comparisons are in the thread:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=113726

Keys can be shrunk to make typing distance the same. I'd like a wired version of this type of design. I don't like running out of battery power for something that never moves anywhere.

With it wired and merged with the keyboard, I'd expect the price to be far more reasonable.
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post #57 of 143
2/26/11 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free/

It is expensive, but its the same pretty price as the Magic Mouse they ship with the iMac (when purchased separately). At one point they sold the USB keyboard and mouse with the BT versions seperately but later make them standard issue.

With the number of users accustomed to trackpads these days from the exceedingly high number of notebook users (at least in areas where Apple plays) I think its likely will update their iMac line to include the Magic Trackpad over the Magic Mouse, especially if future software makes their systems more usable for it.

I also think its also possible they will offer a one or the other option for the same price, like they do with the English/Spanish keyboards.
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post #58 of 143
2/26/11 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Using Opera, perhaps?

DaHarder just got banned. Let's crack open the champagne.

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post #59 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:14pm
Ok, some of these remarks has made me decide to come out of hibernation to spill my opinion into the digital land.


First for those that believe that this is dumbing the OS down and that is bad here is my reply and opinion. I have been with my wife for going on thirteen years now and since I meet her she has never been on a PC very much. The entire reason was that they are, by design, overly complicated. And then the issue with learning your OS, she has a full time job and we have kids, please tell me where that leaves the hours needed to learn the ins and outs of the OS she may use. So pretty much over the course of the next ten years I can count the number of times per month she sat behind our PC on one hand. That was until she decided she wanted an iPhone. To her the iPhone is what PC's should have been. It would take a large man with a large stick to get her iPhone away from her. She is on Facebook, she manages the bank account and about a hundred other things that she should have been able to easily do from out PC. So in that time I got feed up with MS and dumped everyone of their products and went Apple. Unfortunately she still wont sit behind the second brand new iMac I just bought her because even OSX is still too much for her to waste time to learn. If I could get the iOS on my iMac I would do it in a heart beat and then my lovely wife would not be going blind trying to stare at her iPhone screen for hours at a time. There are many stories that I have read where people in their eighties can operate a device, namely the iPad, which such ease and it reconnects them with the world through the digital window in their hands. I don't see my eighty year old grandmother learning the ins and outs of any current desktop OS. But have seen her with my iPad and she loves it. turn it on and select which app does what you want. Within that app are its files, no searching finder for what folder in the millions that you have stuffed that year old report that your boss now wants.

Now my second rant. Most IT people (not all) would love it if the OS's they manage were as complicated as they could possibly be. The reason...JOB SECURITY! My other opinion of most of these guys is that they are egg heads that cant see that their job requires them to know the ins and outs of the OS. This takes years to learn and once they are finished for some reason a very tiny switch in their brains trip and makes them think that all people are stupid if they cant reconfigure their network settings to access a VPN. They huff and puff and have to shut down World of Warcraft ( not a dig I am a fan too of RPG games) and DO THEIR JOBS!!! Well how would you feel if you went to the doctor and he complained that you were wasting his time because you couldn't do a heart bypass on your own? Think about it IT guys! iOS wont put you out of a job, instead it will give you the time to make your WoW character into a level 99 Grand mage...wouldn't that be cool...and get paid for it!

iOS is the future of computing for the average person that works 40 plus hours a week and are not in the tech industry, nor have the time to sacrifice learning ins and outs of their OS. I myself love my iPad and other iOS devices and am in the tech industry. They don't threaten me with their simplicity instead even I, one that loves to gaze at the underpinnings of an OS, am relieved that they allow me to do my job faster because of simplicity. I also welcome this to my desktop/laptop as long as I have control over what I do and don't want to use of that OS type. But for the rest of the world it will be revolutionary and connect even more people to knowledge, friends and family. The day when every person can use the computer is almost here. Now we will just have to wait and see how close Lion brings us to that point.

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post #60 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:19pm
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New in Lion, when a selection of files is dragged to the source sidebar, or to the desktop, or to another window, the selection is represented as a collection, badged with a count of the items in the selection, and with a display that transforms to reflect the view settings it is dragged over.

In addition, I discovered earlier today that once you select a group of items and then right-click and hold, you'll get (among other contextual actions) a choice at the top to "Group as a Folder," which when selected, will create a new folder and toss the selected items into it, with pretty snazzy animation graphics as well. This option is worth it's weight in, uh, well, anyway, it's pretty valuable in my eyes.
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post #61 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:24pm
One thing that I miss in the new Spotlight is the ability to hover over an item in the list and see its Finder location, though cmd-clicking will open the enclosing folder still.
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post #62 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:29pm
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@ AppleInsider,

Thank you for not requiring the Flash plug-in for watching videos.

I second that!
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post #63 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:39pm
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Worrying. [about the Google interception warning]

Oh man, that's the dreaded Google Gestapo at work again. For some reason that no one can explain, Google has set itself up as an arbiter of "safe" sites. One effect of this is it scares people away for the slightest detail, making honest sites fear for their very existence. There is no recourse as there is no contact info anywhere to get Google to yank the interception. You have to either comb every page of your site yourself or hire someone to do it.

This is such an evil practice and there's nothing we individuals or small webmasters can do against it. I had to shell out $200 earlier this year to have someone scour my site before Google would put its seal of approval on it again.

I can't for the life of me understand how such a cavalier and outrageous action can be arbitrarily taken by a private corporation against other entities without any recourse or means of Google showing evidence of why they're blocking a site. Google hides behind its shield of "Do not evil" yet puts the mark of the beast wherever it wants.
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post #64 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by jbaugh View Post

Thanks, melgross.

I find the gratuitous repeated use of the "f" word to add nothing to a discussion. It simply reflects poorly upon the one whose vocabulary is so restricted that he cannot express his views with more appropriate language.

John

+1 and I agree totally. Vulgarity adds nothing. Even the so-called euphemisms of frakking, fricking, freaking, etc. are no better and have no place here.
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post #65 of 143
2/26/11 at 9:49pm
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When using Spaces, I would still like the ability to set different background pictures for each Space.

I have a folder of Desktop pictures that cycle through every 15 minutes. When I started Spaces i noted that each of my four Desktops had a different image.

I have no idea how to change the individual Space wallpaper, and I think that needs to be added.
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post #66 of 143
2/26/11 at 10:02pm
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We'll see when time comes, otherwise ...

Hard to know for sure until we get behind the wheel

Or mouse, trackpad, keyboard, et al ...
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Now, why don't 6 or 8 of you just take JakeTheRock out back

And beat the chit out of 'em ...

Chill Dudes - and Dudettes ...

He's just voicing his thoughts, and presents some valid points

Which were perhaps more 'diplomatically' described by charlituna's System 7 reference

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Is one thing to 'add improvements' to the OS as we go - and I've been going since 1.0 ...

Is another to 'take away things' from the OS as we go - even for the sake of 'new features'

Seems to me, imho - everything that was already in a previous OS should remain

If you like the 'new stuff' and want to use that exclusively - fine, go for it

But if you want to use 10.7 in some type of 10.4 fashion - that too should be possible, dig ?

AND - we should also be able to 'invent' our own magically unique combination of the two

And the 'interface' should never get in the way, never

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My running example of this is "Finder Search Results Window Display Options"

To kick that po' dead horse again - what we had in 10.1 to 10.4 went away in 10.5+
Look for yourself, the 'check boxes' are still there, but some are 'grayed out'
(yes, can go to Terminal and 'adjust' - but, please, the Terminal?)

My hunch about why - 'something' in the Finder's Relational Database
Regarding the Search Results Window Options
Not compatible with the introduction of Spotlight and its operations
But that's just a guess

Or think of it this way - the new 'Bumpers and Tail Fins'
Affected something 'under the hood' (to stick with my car metaphor)

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BUT - perhaps Best Example - and MANY have been byatching about for a while

iTunes - is starting to look and act like something from Microsoft

Let's hope OSX is not driving down the same Road to Bloat
Hauling extra stuff in the trunk, and pulling a U-Haul Trailer with a flat tire

And THAT - imho - is what charlituna and JakeTheRock were describing in their own way

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Now, yes - others are very correct about iOS and the Future it represents

Use those elements in the GUI, no problem - lots of good stuff in there

But don't change - and damn sure don't remove - proven foundational structures from the past

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Now, let me get off my 'soapbox' - and leave you with this

From Tony Hoar - one of the guys who invented it all ...



There are two ways of constructing a software design

One is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies

The other is to make it so complicated there are no obvious deficiencies

The first is far more difficult

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post #67 of 143
2/26/11 at 10:09pm
Apologies to iOS, but this Lion is the coolest operating system software I've seen on any electronic device of any form factor.
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post #68 of 143
2/26/11 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Ah, I think I remember that from a previous demo. Yeah, that should be fine.


The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free. If it would make it affordable, I think they should make a new keyboard/trackpad hybrid like this:


Keys can be shrunk to make typing distance the same. I'd like a wired version of this type of design. I don't like running out of battery power for something that never moves anywhere.

With it wired and merged with the keyboard, I'd expect the price to be far more reasonable.

Apple should not and must not make a keyboard with a trackpad permanently placed on the right hand side - unless they make a same priced version with the pad on the left.

I am quite happy with the pad and keyboard separate as I have them right now so that it can be configured to a users preferences.

Don't forget us lefties!
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post #69 of 143
2/26/11 at 11:48pm
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Am I the only one who thinks that dumbing down a system for people who don't want to learn how to use their computer is bad? AppleInsider, stop sucking off Apple. There are no "complex key commands" for Spaces, it's ctrl+arrow keys. Apparently, because I still use a keyboard, I am no longer part of Apple's target audience. Similarly, there is absolutely nothing hard about "Macintosh HD --> Applications" to find all of my programs. The only problem with this is that OS X hides mounted disks on the desktop by default, which is idiotic anyway.
My 50 year old mother, who clicks and drags scroll bars because she doesn't know how to use a scroll wheel, can use Spotlight to find anything because it is literally that easy.

And finally, fuck gestures. Keyboard shortcuts are faster and easier, and require less movement.

No, my friend, you absolutely are NOT the only one that thinks this way, despite what others say. I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. I find this whole dumbing down shocking. Why on earth would we want to hide/eliminate common UI elements (e.g. scroll bars, disclosure triangles, COLOR, etc) that people have been used to for YEARS? STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. This is not Windows. The current Mac OS X UI is not bloated and complicated to use.

This dumbing down reminds me of Microsoft's genius UI move of late, namely to get rid of menus and replace them with "ribbons". I can't tell you how many people have asked me, "where is the menu"?. Oh, I'm sorry, Microsoft decided that was too complicated for you to understand, so they hid them. Now you have to hunt around and figure out where that common command used to be. How else can we "improve" the user experience for you? Geez.
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post #70 of 143
2/26/11 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

With all due respect, you're utterly and completely clueless about how the majority of people use and interact with a computer, as well as their abilities and willingness to use and discover features. I deal with these people everyday, and those who use keyboard shortcuts are a minority. I know several people with macs who didnt even know about spotlight, nor where to find t

And yet supposedly these people, who can't even find something in the menu bar, are going to suddenly discover all the new dumbed down features like full screen view, scroll bars that aren't there, etc.? Give me a break. If they have no time or desire to learn some basics of how to use the computer they have chosen now, what makes you think they will be so different when the new Mac OS X comes out?
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post #71 of 143
2/27/11 at 12:10am
For someone who hasnt used his macpro for 4 months because of the ipad

Is there actually any BIG changes in lion other than these UI changes thats gonna make me go WOW i must upgrade right away? Or is this just a reason for apple to stop supporting my wifes iMac
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post #72 of 143
2/27/11 at 12:51am
oops never mind
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2/27/11 at 12:56am
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2/27/11 at 1:08am
Am i the only one who just sees a gray rectangle with an x in it instead of photos or a screen grab? I see everything else on this site. Did they pull the images?

The more i hear about Lion, the more i loathe it. All these years i have been tolerating their BS and adjusting but this just does it for me. Apple has officially lost its marbles. I have never hated an Apple OS release to date but this one so far completely ruins the mac experience for me. I am so freakin pissed.

Truly Apple you do not have even dull edge engineers. Taking stuff out that users want no mater how small a group is not innovation nor cutting edge engineering. You guys (Apple) have have all lost your freaking minds!!!!!! I never thought i'd ever hate on Apple. I thought hell would freeze over first but never say, never i guess.

I guess its time for the next Steve jobs and Wozniak to free us from the Big Blue Apple.

It is just killing me see Apple loose its way. They have completely forgotten who they are what they stood for and have lost all touch with reality.
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post #75 of 143
2/27/11 at 1:55am
Good job, Apple.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And then refine the hell out of it.

The highest goal of engineering and design.

This company keeps astounding me. They truly know their craft. Apple has been winning on nearly all product fronts by simplifying and then refining. It's brilliant. And it's making them ridiculous profit. Consumers have responded predictably: handing Apple record quarters.

The writing's on the wall: ever-growing complexity is out. A thing of the past that still has old dinosaurs like MS stymied. The merging of iOS and OS X will result in not only unprecedented simplicity and thoughtful design, bit also in an explosion of Mac sales. Just sit back and watch, folks.


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Am i the only one who just sees a gray rectangle with an x in it instead of photos or a screen grab? I see everything else on this site. Did they pull the images?

The more i hear about Lion, the more i loathe it. All these years i have been tolerating their BS and adjusting but this just does it for me. Apple has officially lost its marbles. I have never hated an Apple OS release to date but this one so far completely ruins the mac experience for me. I am so freakin pissed.

Truly Apple you do not have even dull edge engineers. Taking stuff out that users want no mater how small a group is not innovation nor cutting edge engineering. You guys (Apple) have have all lost your freaking minds!!!!!! I never thought i'd ever hate on Apple. I thought hell would freeze over first but never say, never i guess.

I guess its time for the next Steve jobs and Wozniak to free us from the Big Blue Apple.

It is just killing me see Apple loose its way. They have completely forgotten who they are what they stood for and have lost all touch with reality.

Sorry, but *you* seem to be out of touch. Apple is implementing the same philosophy they have with the iPod, iPod Touch, iPhone, iOS, etc. take that same simplify+refine strategy and put the power of a Mac processor behind it and you've struck gold. Apple is doing what they know best and you'll see consumers respond accordingly. That Exxon Mobil market cap target will be the much closer, that much faster.

Apple is really the only one that is in touch with market realities. And it shows, obviously.
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post #76 of 143
2/27/11 at 2:11am
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I highly doubt that Apple put an NDA on the preview every developer can download. If they were that worried, they wouldn't have don the release.


Thats where you'd be wrong... from the release notes

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THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE

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The software identified above is Apple Confidential Information and your use of such software is subject to the Apple Developer Connection Programs Terms and Conditions, including the Prototype License and Confidentiality Agreement attached thereto.
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post #77 of 143
2/27/11 at 3:35am
It may be a little off topic, but I just thought I would share my experience on a Windows PC as my macbook is not turned on, I just started surfing on the windows box today. The videos in this article do not seem to work on Firefox beta 11 and IE9 RC, both are HTML 5 compliant, they do work in Chrome. As like all Apple windows apps, Safari for Windows is non-standard slow bloated junk, I haven't tried it.

I appreciate the move away from flash, I really do, but perhaps some testing may be in order as many folks that I know view this website from work, which usually means Windows.
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post #78 of 143
2/27/11 at 3:37am
I too was going to complain about not being able to see the videos until flipping back over to Safari and reloading the pages.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

@ AppleInsider,

Thank you for not requiring the Flash plug-in for watching videos.

I must say that this is a mixed bag. Don't get me wrong, I despise Flash. But I use FlashBlock, which is almost ideal in that I don't have to see any heavyweight animation or video come in unless I explicitly click on it.

It's actually more annoying to me to have the video auto-download without my explicit request.

But worse than that, it looks like I won't be able to see any video when I'm using Firefox. Sure, I can flip back to Safari now that I know what's happening, but it's a nuisance, and for my money, no real gain. Some things work better in FF, some in Safari, but if we're required to start choosing different browsers based on individual web sites, that's NOT a good thing.

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Either a million people are watching those videos or your server is running on an iBook. It shouldn't take 5 minutes to load a 30 second video.

Yeah, very slow for me as well.

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Originally Posted by Archos View Post

Firefox doesn't support HTML5 video using H.264. So scrape up some money and buy a real browser and leave free software to people who just play Tux Racer.

Thanks Mr. arbiter of all that's good and proper. What an ass, very glad you're not in charge of the world.

So if I happen to be on one of my Linux machines, I can't view this site now? Nice. If it actually helped something else along the way maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but there's no additional functionality provided, only reduced functionality.
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post #79 of 143
2/27/11 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by megasmitty View Post

Ok, some of these remarks has made me decide to come out of hibernation to spill my opinion into the digital land.


First for those that believe that this is dumbing the OS down and that is bad here is my reply and opinion. I have been with my wife for going on thirteen years now and since I meet her she has never been on a PC very much. The entire reason was that they are, by design, overly complicated. And then the issue with learning your OS, she has a full time job and we have kids, please tell me where that leaves the hours needed to learn the ins and outs of the OS she may use. So pretty much over the course of the next ten years I can count the number of times per month she sat behind our PC on one hand. That was until she decided she wanted an iPhone. To her the iPhone is what PC's should have been. It would take a large man with a large stick to get her iPhone away from her. She is on Facebook, she manages the bank account and about a hundred other things that she should have been able to easily do from out PC. So in that time I got feed up with MS and dumped everyone of their products and went Apple. Unfortunately she still wont sit behind the second brand new iMac I just bought her because even OSX is still too much for her to waste time to learn. If I could get the iOS on my iMac I would do it in a heart beat and then my lovely wife would not be going blind trying to stare at her iPhone screen for hours at a time. There are many stories that I have read where people in their eighties can operate a device, namely the iPad, which such ease and it reconnects them with the world through the digital window in their hands. I don't see my eighty year old grandmother learning the ins and outs of any current desktop OS. But have seen her with my iPad and she loves it. turn it on and select which app does what you want. Within that app are its files, no searching finder for what folder in the millions that you have stuffed that year old report that your boss now wants.

Now my second rant. Most IT people (not all) would love it if the OS's they manage were as complicated as they could possibly be. The reason...JOB SECURITY! My other opinion of most of these guys is that they are egg heads that cant see that their job requires them to know the ins and outs of the OS. This takes years to learn and once they are finished for some reason a very tiny switch in their brains trip and makes them think that all people are stupid if they cant reconfigure their network settings to access a VPN. They huff and puff and have to shut down World of Warcraft ( not a dig I am a fan too of RPG games) and DO THEIR JOBS!!! Well how would you feel if you went to the doctor and he complained that you were wasting his time because you couldn't do a heart bypass on your own? Think about it IT guys! iOS wont put you out of a job, instead it will give you the time to make your WoW character into a level 99 Grand mage...wouldn't that be cool...and get paid for it!

iOS is the future of computing for the average person that works 40 plus hours a week and are not in the tech industry, nor have the time to sacrifice learning ins and outs of their OS. I myself love my iPad and other iOS devices and am in the tech industry. They don't threaten me with their simplicity instead even I, one that loves to gaze at the underpinnings of an OS, am relieved that they allow me to do my job faster because of simplicity. I also welcome this to my desktop/laptop as long as I have control over what I do and don't want to use of that OS type. But for the rest of the world it will be revolutionary and connect even more people to knowledge, friends and family. The day when every person can use the computer is almost here. Now we will just have to wait and see how close Lion brings us to that point.

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Thanks, great post. Wanted to type the same thing but couldn't be bothered. I think the problem is that people screaming 'dumbing down' have little first hand experience with people like your wife, who represent the majority of computer owners. They just can't wrap their minds around it, but fortunately Apple can, and has. And its wise for doing so, the proof is in the pudding, which is the ridiculous success it has had the past few years. I believe 'iosifiying' os x will help to increase mac sales exponentially. For those of you bitching, grow up and realize you're not the mainstream. Your terminal will still be available.
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post #80 of 143
2/27/11 at 3:46am
Learning all the keyboard shortcuts would be a heck of a lot easier if they would just give you a little operating manuel for reference. Otherwise you basically have to at least meet the minimum nerd quota to be on this site macrumors, etc to find a thread that pops up with everyones favorite keyboard shortcuts. I know someone will say something like "just hit cmd shft ky" and it takes you to the menu of keyboard shortcuts", which, to me, proves my point.
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